Kisame vs EMS Madara (argument included)

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I'm not honestly sure who would win. Kisame is perfect for hunting Jinchuuriki.....Madara has control of the Kyuubi....Hell, he might as well be a Jinchuuriki. It all comes down to if Madara encountered/had knowledge of Samehada during his life.
 

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its all there wiki and manga take your pick , your argument has been rendered invalid
The manga pages have only caused a stalemate.

So amaterasu and tsukuyomi are out of this either way you look at it.

Tsukuyomi is probably able to Madara because moon eye plan or w.e

Genjutsu won't work on Kisame because of Samehada.
 

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I am tired of this conversation idk how madra got suanoo or anything but madara would beat kisame piece out!!
me too /:

But both have a shot at winning I give the edge to Kisame.

Madara has NO answer to water dome.

Or the shark bullet.

Susanoo is chakra, or else it wouldn't be activated. Techniques are chakra, it's foolish to say susanoo isn't chakra.

BTW, susanoo is vulnerable below it and while they are on water below susanoo is open for sharks.
 

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me too /:

But both have a shot at winning I give the edge to Kisame.

Madara has NO answer to water dome.

Or the shark bullet.

Susanoo is chakra, or else it wouldn't be activated. Techniques are chakra, it's foolish to say susanoo isn't chakra.

BTW, susanoo is vulnerable below it and while they are on water below susanoo is open for sharks.
what if madara activates susanoo and surrounds it with amatersu like sauke and remeber amatersu can not be out so he would be invinsable unless kisame would want to try a raikage stunt and keep in mind its just both of them no back up so madara would win with mid difficulty
 

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Not sure if Kisame would even lose to Itachi....It was a given since we saw Kisame fight Bee that he shares chakra with Samehada, making Tsukiyomi useless; Kisame could likely absorb Amaterasu as well. If fire can be absorbed by Preta Path, why can't Blaze Release be absorbed as well? Just a thought. With those out of the way, it makes things considerably easier for Kisame.

If he can easily outmaneuver Bee, it'd be easy enough to dodge Amaterasu.
 

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me too /:

But both have a shot at winning I give the edge to Kisame.

Madara has NO answer to water dome.

Or the shark bullet.

Susanoo is chakra, or else it wouldn't be activated. Techniques are chakra, it's foolish to say susanoo isn't chakra.

BTW, susanoo is vulnerable below it and while they are on water below susanoo is open for sharks.
Dude , We dont really know anything about Madara but he able to use fire/susanoo.

but we can assume hes a beast in Genjustu since he was Uchiha I doubt
Kisame would break his Genjustu.
 

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The manga pages have only caused a stalemate.

So amaterasu and tsukuyomi are out of this either way you look at it.

Tsukuyomi is probably able to Madara because moon eye plan or w.e

Genjutsu won't work on Kisame because of Samehada.
U r making an assumption in the fact that genjutsu wont work on kisame lol especially one at the level of kisame.

And dont take tobi out of context his words were the ability to use sussano is a rarity. And sasuke said only ppl who can control both powers can use the third power which is sussano.



So by logic many ppl have not had the access or the ability to control both powers which are amaterasu and tsukiyomi thus making sussano a rarity but when ppl like madara who do have sussano means that he can use the other two jutsus. He never said luck there is a difference between luck and when something is rare
 
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The manga pages have only caused a stalemate.

So amaterasu and tsukuyomi are out of this either way you look at it.

Tsukuyomi is probably able to Madara because moon eye plan or w.e

Genjutsu won't work on Kisame because of Samehada.
MADARA UCHIA HAS AMATERASU TSUKUYOMI the manga said so and even the wiki ,
its rare to have sussano but you have to have both AMATERASU and TSUKUYOMI to even have a chance of furthering it to sussano .

The great madara uchia would be able to beat kisame.

He would burn kisame and his sword with amaterasu or hed sperate them and gen jutsu them or he would have and army of shadown clones using sussano fight kisame and tier him out and then the real madara would come out and kill kisame .
Kisame doesnt have a chance here with madara uchia.

Kisame got beaten buy guy Madra would beat guy .
 

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what if madara activates susanoo and surrounds it with amatersu like sauke and remeber amatersu can not be out so he would be invinsable unless kisame would want to try a raikage stunt and keep in mind its just both of them no back up so madara would win with mid difficulty
You don't make a scenario like that you compare their abilities.

Amaterasu is chakra as well. Madara hasn't used Amaterasu so he doesn't have it.
 

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You don't make a scenario like that you compare their abilities.

Amaterasu is chakra as well. Madara hasn't used Amaterasu so he doesn't have it.
how the f*** can madara not have amatersu he would not have f***ing susanoo what is wrong with your brain is it that hard to comprhend your like trying to teach sakura ftg for ****
 

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MADARA UCHIA HAS AMATERASU TSUKUYOMI the manga said so and even the wiki ,
its rare to have sussano but you have to have both AMATERASU and TSUKUYOMI to even have a chance of furthering it to sussano .



Kisame got beaten buy guy Madra would beat guy .
The sussano is a rarity because one has to have both powers to even have that ability. Tobi never said luck meaning he doesnt get it randomly but said it was rare that is all. big difference between the two words.
 

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yes amaterasu is chackra but you cant absorb it kisames sword samehada gets hurt by simple fire techs imagine the eternal burning black flames amaterasu that doesn't go out until the object or thing is burning is gone samehada would be destroyed and even if madara uchia was tacked by 100sharks he will just genjutsu the simple minded sharks to attack kisame
 

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look this figh is simple madara some how hits samahada away from kisame which is not that hard then genjustsu time and its over haha
Somehow? Lol and you called me dumb :|

Samehada comes back to Kisame like it did when he fought Guy

u do know that fire style techs hurt samehada right
It still absorbs it. Kisame is a suiton user.

Suiton>Katon

The sussano is a rarity because one has to have both powers to even have that ability. Tobi never said luck meaning he doesnt get it randomly but said it was rare that is all. big difference between the two words.
Getting something that is extremely rare is luck.
 
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