Kisame vs. Deva Path

[Curse Mark]

Even Itachi who had a technique faster than any technique in Kisame's arsenal (Amaterasu) didn't have time to attack the orb

Then again, in the picture you provided, he did kind of stand there and inform everyone else even after he knew what to do..

 

[Memoria]

Then again, in the picture you provided, he did kind of stand there and inform everyone else even after he knew what to do..

Point is, if you don't have info on the technique, you simply won't have time to counter it until it shields itself with rocks, hence Itachi's example.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

EjBlack you're saying that Kisame can attack Chibaku Tensei's orb before it shields itself with rocks? That's shallow if you ask me because Kisame clearly doesn't have info on the technique. Even Itachi who had a technique faster than any technique in Kisame's arsenal (Amaterasu) didn't have time to attack the orb

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, since he simply didn't know what it was capable of. Unless you think Kisame is smarter than Itachi.

Yes Kisame can attack CT before it shields itself with rock because Deva running away mean he is planning something big and dangerous. Therefore Kisame has no choice but to counter. Amasteru was not his strongest tech other wise he WOULD of used it. I am not arguing the Kisame has the destructive power I am arguing that it can be ABSORBED by his water jutsu. Bringing Itachi's situation doesn't mean I have to dumb down Kisame.

 

[KidGamer65]

There was a lot of earth compiled by the time their attacks hit though.

Yeah, and there will be even more if he uses it on Kisame because.

1. Deva will flee from him just like he did to Kn6, and he isn't going to be catch up or be as close as KN6 was to Deva when he stopped since KN6 is faster than Kisame.

2.More distance equals more time for the orb to gather debris and Kisame will have to get close enough to shoot which also adds more time.

 

[KidGamer65]

I was talking about how KN6 is faster than Team Guy.
Huh?ok... Well swimming on land for Kisame can catch up to Deva or pass him.

What?! 4? No, that was 3 now that I look at it...still faster than GSB and that isn't even counting the fact that GSB will have to be shot high into the air before it can hit..GSB isn't hitting that core before rocks cover it.
3 is not as firm as 4 so GSB can take it before then. So not faster GSB takes 2 panels. Kisame was high in the air vs Guy so I don't see the difference from shooting and or straight, plus the gravity pull speeds it up.

Lol using other jutsu huh? Nope, not gonna work as those jutsu don't have the same speed as GSB.

Ok how many panels it took them to Charge their jutsu and fire? AND also CT was already at blocked orb stage

You aren't factoring in the distance between Kisame and the orb, nor or factoring in the distance between Kisame and Deva..

Kisame is on the ground and the orb is high in the sky,,couple that with the forming time and launch time of the jutsu, there is no way it will reach before it is covered with debris.

Why are you referencing Naruto and co vs Nagato? They used completely different jutsu to stop CT.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Yeah, and there will be even more if he uses it on Kisame because.

1. Deva will flee from him just like he did to Kn6, and he isn't going to be catch up or be as close as KN6 was to Deva when he stopped since KN6 is faster than Kisame.

KN6 is only faster then Kisame base speed, Kisame doesn't have to use base speed.

2.More distance equals more time for the orb to gather debris and Kisame will have to get close enough to shoot which also adds more time.
He doesn't have to get close enough. Itach said to Naruto to let the jutsu guide it's self, thus explaining the jutsu weak point.

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[Memoria]

Yes Kisame can attack CT before it shields itself with rock because Deva running away mean he is planning something big and dangerous. Therefore Kisame has no choice but to counter. Amasteru was not his strongest tech other wise he WOULD of used it. I am not arguing the Kisame has the destructive power I am arguing that it can be ABSORBED by his water jutsu. Bringing Itachi's situation doesn't mean I have to dumb down Kisame.

I'm not talking about the scenario you set earlier. I'm saying Kisame won't have info on the technique out of the air, hence he won't have time to attack said orb before it shields itself with rocks. The thing with Amaterasu is that it's faster than all of Kisame's techniques, Itachi could've used it to attack the orb before it attracts rocks into it, but he clearly didn't have time.

 

[KidGamer65]

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You have shown no proof that Kisame is faster than KN6...where is your support? Your evidence.

There is still distance between them, it still takes time for it to hit, the farther away it is the more time the orb has to form which means there will be more rocks covereing it, what is so hard to understand about this?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ok how many panels it took them to Charge their jutsu and fire? AND also CT was already at blocked orb stage

You aren't factoring in the distance between Kisame and the orb, nor or factoring in the distance between Kisame and Deva..
Same distance as Itachi situation

Kisame is on the ground and the orb is high in the sky,,couple that with the forming time and launch time of the jutsu, there is no way it will reach before it is covered with debris.
Wrong we already conclude it took at least 3 panels. GSP takes 1. 2 is the traveling part

Why are you referencing Naruto and co vs Nagato? They used completely different jutsu to stop CT.

different jutsu same purpose -.-

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You have shown no proof that Kisame is faster than KN6...where is your support? Your evidence.

Base Speed Naruto>Kisame. Kisame swimming>Naruto.

There is still distance between them, it still takes time for it to hit, the farther away it is the more time the orb has to form which means there will be more rocks covereing it, what is so hard to understand about this?
What is so hard for you to understand the jutsu's weakness?

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[KidGamer65]

different jutsu same purpose -.-

No it isn't, Itachi and the others are closer.

:sy: GSB takes 2 panels to form and another panel to fire..add in the distance and then you will clearly see that he can't get it before the orb has rocks all over it.

Different jutsu, different attack power, different charging times, different speeds, invalid in this debate.

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No proof? Looks like I can't take you seriously anymore.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

No it isn't, Itachi and the others are closer.

:sy: GSB takes 2 panels to form and another panel to fire..add in the distance and then you will clearly see that he can't get it before the orb has rocks all over it.
I circled only 2

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Different jutsu, different attack power, different charging times, different speeds, invalid in this debate.
Valid because GSB can absorb orb, irrelavent of power when it can absord, Gravity pull of the jutsu makes it valid

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[KidGamer65]

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Its funny how you don't reference the next page in the next chapter where he actually fires it.

What you just makes no damn sense whatsoever..

Go find me valid proof that GSB can make it in time, those attacks smashed through, something that GSB can't do.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I'm not talking about the scenario you set earlier. I'm saying Kisame won't have info on the technique out of the air, hence he won't have time to attack said orb before it shields itself with rocks. The thing with Amaterasu is that it's faster than all of Kisame's techniques, Itachi could've used it to attack the orb before it attracts rocks into it, but he clearly didn't have time.

I never gave Kisame knowledge I said Deva running away means something. He was to counter it no matter what if it requires you to run away and take him out. If something is being shot in the air that was meant to defeat him that means he is in danger. Itachi fighting Deva would do it.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Its funny how you don't reference the next page in the next chapter where he actually fires it.
No the 2nd circle panel is where he fired it LOOK AGAIN

What you just makes no damn sense whatsoever..
Ok paraphrasing. Yes it is valid.

Go find me valid proof that GSB can make it in time, those attacks smashed through, something that GSB can't do.
Again you are still viewing this panel as in Kisames situation. Kisame has no one to talk to in this fight while explaining how to counter it. It is a simple shot. Rocks were already blocking

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[KidGamer65]

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:sy: Now you cant read correctly either?

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<---Here fires it here genius.

Again, you are not factoring in the distance between Kisame and the orb, again, you aren't adding in the fact that those jutsu are faster than Kisame's GSB.

Stop using other jutsu as proof and prove that GSB can make it before rocks cover it, especially when he has no info, and he needs to arrive to where Deva is making the orb before he can shoot it. If he shoots it from where he is at..its either

1.Not going to make it in time.
2.Not going to reach in the first place.

Kisame can't catch up to him in time since he is slower than KN6.

By the time Kisame arrives, the orb will be gathering rocks already.

Show me some proof that:
1.Kisame is faster than Deva.
2.GSB is fast enough to cross the distance that Deva will put between the two.

Show proof or you've lost..its as simple as that.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

:sy: Now you cant read correctly either?

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<---Here fires it here genius.
Are you serious...Do I have to circle the whole shark for you in chapter 506? The Shark already came out at the end of 506 therefore he fired the shark at 506. 507 pg 1-2 shows it getting ready to clash with Tiger. Gravitation pull from CT makes it go alot faster

Again, you are not factoring in the distance between Kisame and the orb, again, you aren't adding in the fact that those jutsu are faster than Kisame's GSB.
Please give me the distance between Kisame and the orb, how many meters

Stop using other jutsu as proof and prove that GSB can make it before rocks cover it, especially when he has no info, and he needs to arrive to where Deva is making the orb before he can shoot it. If he shoots it from where he is at..its either

Your an idiot, absence of proof(jutsu) is not proof of absence(jutsu). We are both making a logical conclusion since these things never happend in the manga. We shouldn't be discussing anything at all since Kisame never fought Pain. You are forgetting the whole purpose of this thread. 3 Jutsu powerful were enough to take out Nagato's jutsu, let me reminded you that it was 4 Pages(not panels) to do it

1.Not going to make it in time.
2.Not going to reach in the first place.

Kisame can't catch up to him in time since he is slower than KN6.
Okay, I am going to need a clear yes and no for this question. IS Kisame Faster then KN6 when swimming on land then KN6 running on land? I need a clear yes or no.

By the time Kisame arrives, the orb will be gathering rocks already.

Show me some proof that:
1.Kisame is faster than Deva.
2.GSB is fast enough to cross the distance that Deva will put between the two.
GSB is not aiming for Deva, you tell me since you know the exact distance
I will ask the same question, Is Kisame swimming on land slower then Deva running on land? I need a clear yes or no

Show proof or you've lost..its as simple as that.

Answer my question.

 

[KidGamer65]

Answer my question.

"Are you serious...Do I have to circle the whole shark for you in chapter 506? The Shark already came out at the end of 506 therefore he fired the shark at 506. 507 pg 1-2 shows it getting ready to clash with Tiger. Gravitation pull from CT makes it go alot faster"

It came out at 506, 507 is when he shot it, hence him pushing his damn hands forward....l2read please it makes things go much much smoother.

"Please give me the distance between Kisame and the orb, how many meters"
It will be a much farther distance then this, which is more than enough for CT to get rocks on it before GSB hits:

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"Your an idiot, absence of proof(jutsu) is not proof of absence(jutsu). We are both making a logical conclusion since these things never happend in the manga. We shouldn't be discussing anything at all since Kisame never fought Pain. You are forgetting the whole purpose of this thread. 3 Jutsu powerful were enough to take out Nagato's jutsu, let me reminded you that it was 4 Pages(not panels) to do it"

The only idiot here is you.

-You are trying to use the speed of other jutsu to justify the speed of GSB, any moron knows that it doesn't work like that.
-You do know that Naruto, Bee, and Itachi were talking before they shot their attacks.

"Okay, I am going to need a clear yes and no for this question. IS Kisame Faster then KN6 when swimming on land then KN6 running on land? I need a clear yes or no."

If you read my post, it should have been clear...why am I not surprised you needed a clear answer even though one was already given.

Ne. He. Is. Not. Faster. Than. KN6.

"GSB is not aiming for Deva, you tell me since you know the exact distance"


And how does this matter in the slightest....Kisame is not hitting the orb before a few rocks get on it.

"t getting ready to clash with Tiger. Gravitation pull from CT makes it go alot faster"

Proof?

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It came out at 506, 507 is when he shot it, hence him pushing his damn hands forward....l2read please it makes things go much much smoother.
What are you arguing you just concluded that it came out 506? And now you are saying 507 is WHERE HE SHOT IT? HE already pushed his damn hands at 506.. please read it


It will be a much farther distance then this, which is more than enough for CT to get rocks on it before GSB hits:

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Now tell me why GSB is not reaching form that distance


The only idiot here is you.

-You are trying to use the speed of other jutsu to justify the speed of GSB, any moron knows that it doesn't work like that.
I never said GSB was faster then those 3 jutsu. I said they took 4 pages to completely destroy the jutsu when Kisame DOESN'T
-You do know that Naruto, Bee, and Itachi were talking before they shot their attacks.
Exactly Kisame is NOT talking



If you read my post, it should have been clear...why am I not surprised you needed a clear answer even though one was already given.

Ne. He. Is. Not. Faster. Than. KN6.

You just openly admit that KN6 is faster then Kisame using jutsu allowing him to SWIM on land and Deva is faster too. Good job. I'm done.


And how does this matter in the slightest....Kisame is not hitting the orb before a few rocks get on it.

"t getting ready to clash with Tiger. Gravitation pull from CT makes it go alot faster"

Proof?

Now, one last question before this discussion ends, with your ending fallacies:

Is GSB slower then THE Rocks That is UNWILLINGLY decides to be pulled UP then a GIANT MISSLE THAT IS WILLINGLY TO REACH IT's DESTINATION?

 

[KidGamer65]

Now, one last question before this discussion ends, with your ending fallacies:

Is GSB slower then THE Rocks That is UNWILLINGLY decides to be pulled UP then a GIANT MISSLE THAT IS WILLINGLY TO REACH IT's DESTINATION?

"What are you arguing you just concluded that it came out 506? And now you are saying 507 is WHERE HE SHOT IT? HE already pushed his damn hands at 506.. please read it"

You sir, are among the biggest morons I have seen on this base.

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THAT is where he pushed it retard.

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This is where he formed it hence him making a jutsu specific hand sign...moron, learn how to read the damn manga.

"Now tell me why GSB is not reaching form that distance"

:sy: It will reach....BUT NOT BEFORE ROCKS AND DEBRIS (that are much closer than the attack) HIT THE CORE

"I never said GSB was faster then those 3 jutsu. I said they took 4 pages to completely destroy the jutsu when Kisame DOESN'T"

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I know that you have trouble reading the manga so I'll clarify this for you.

THAT TOOK ONLY ONE PANEL.

"Exactly Kisame is NOT talking"


Doesn't matter, as they were closer to the orb than Kisame would be AND their jutsu move faster than GSB.
Bottom right panel is where the attacks hit (hence the light).

"You just openly admit that KN6 is faster then Kisame using jutsu allowing him to SWIM on land and Deva is faster too. Good job. I'm done."

You better be done...because you make no damn sense, him "swimming on land" doesn't make him faster than KN6...deal with it.

"Is GSB slower then THE Rocks That is UNWILLINGLY decides to be pulled UP then a GIANT MISSLE THAT IS WILLINGLY TO REACH IT's DESTINATION?"

You sound dumb right now...as the purpose of the jutsu is to pull up the damn rocks.

GSB isn't making it before the core is protected.

Oh and btw, I'm glad you are supposedly ending this discussion..as you make no sense at all.