Kisame vs. Deva Path

[KidGamer65]

Its not about fire power. Water jutsu don't defeat opponents through firepower. Its about taking out the source. GSB takes out the source by absorbing it.

Oh my lord, you obviously don't understand what I'm saying.

Orb is powered by chakra, not made of chakra, simple as that.

Elemental jutsu are chakra formed into the said element, and then expelled through the ninjas mouth, completely different.

Lol, I wasn't implying gates...I was implying full BASE speed..

It isn't absorbing the orb through all those rocks nor will it absorb gravity.

1. His attack isn't reaching the orb before rocks cover it.

2.Again, his attack isn't reaching the orb before rocks cover it.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Oh my lord, you obviously don't understand what I'm saying.

Orb is powered by chakra, not made of chakra, simple as that.

Proof it

Elemental jutsu are chakra formed into the said element, and then expelled through the ninjas mouth, completely different.
Only in the mouth (thats what she said/no homo)? Wrong

Lol, I wasn't implying gates...I was implying full BASE speed..
It wasn't a race they clearly kept a sometime a pace, I dont' know why you trying to defend this point. They ran period. Kisame caught up. Period.

It isn't absorbing the orb through all those rocks nor will it absorb gravity.
NEver said Kisame try to bypass his jutsu through rocks I said before it's completely covered where it can't reach the orb.

1. His attack isn't reaching the orb before rocks cover it.
Yes he can

2.Again, his attack isn't reaching the orb before rocks cover it.

The orb doesn't get to choose.

 

[KidGamer65]

The orb doesn't get to choose.

If you read the manga, you would know it is a gravity orb, not a chakra orb. The fact that it is made of gravity shows that isn't a chakra orb..the fact that all of Deva's moves are gravity shows this.

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If GSB can't absorb Shinra Tensei then it can't absorb Ct either, as they are both gravity.

Ok? Doesn't disprove my point.

I'm not defending it, as you bringing it up was retarded in the first place since Kyuubi Naruto is far faster than them.

No it can't, I've already showed scans of how fast it forms, if you want to deny it go right ahead, it just makes you look foolish denying manga proof.

You better show some speed feats for his attack before you say it will reach it before rocks cover it.

This is how fast it formed:

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Provide scans or something that shows GSB being fast enough to hit the orb before it is covered otherwise everything else you add to this point is invalid.

 

[Curse Mark]

But gravity is not a physical thing. You can't just have a ball of gravity just like you can't have a ball of something like inertia. Like wth?

I understand that that's the definition, but I just don't think it's literally a ball of pure gravity.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

If you read the manga, you would know it is a gravity orb, not a chakra orb. The fact that it is made of gravity shows that isn't a chakra orb..the fact that all of Deva's moves are gravity shows this.

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Your proof doesn't show that it doesn't have chakra. I never claim it being a chakra ball. We both already agree that it is powered by charka. Therefore it has chakra. That is different then saying a pure ball of chakra. A fireball is not a pure ball of chakra, and other elements/jutsu


If GSB can't absorb Shinra Tensei then it can't absorb Ct either, as they are both gravity.
ST and CT are two different moves. I didn't say GSM can absorb the "pulling". I said he can absorb the gravity ball.

Ok? Doesn't disprove my point.

I'm not defending it, as you bringing it up was retarded in the first place since Kyuubi Naruto is far faster than them.
So if KM was in Kisames position how fast do you take him to catch from their distance?

No it can't, I've already showed scans of how fast it forms, if you want to deny it go right ahead, it just makes you look foolish denying manga proof.
Where did I said GSB is going to catch it before it forms?

You better show some speed feats for his attack before you say it will reach it before rocks cover it.

This is how fast it formed:

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Provide scans or something that shows GSB being fast enough to hit the orb before it is covered otherwise everything else you add to this point is invalid.

Kisame Can do this before it pulls up rocks:

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Thats it, it took only one panel

 

[KidGamer65]

But gravity is not a physical thing. You can't just have a ball of gravity just like you can't have a ball of something like inertia. Like wth?

I understand that that's the definition, but I just don't think it's literally a ball of pure gravity.

Not pure gravity, but it isn't made out of chakra either....

 

[KidGamer65]

Kisame Can do this before it pulls up rock:

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Thats it, it took only one panel

I'm done with this point, as you clearly don't understand...its not like I need it anyway.

I don't know, and it really doesn't matter....all I know is that it would be much faster than Kisame.

Where you ask? "1. His attack isn't reaching the orb before rocks cover it.
Yes he can" Bold is your answer.

:sy: That is him manifesting the attack in one panel, not firing it.

GSB can't reach the orb before rocks cover it.

 

[Curse Mark]

Not pure gravity, but it isn't made out of chakra either....

But just like how massive fireballs aren't pure chakra, they could still be absorbed by the preta path, which absorbed charka. In a way similar to this:

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It's obviously not a fireball, but it was the best image i could find at such short notice. It's a fireball, powered by charka, so it's not entirely chakra, but it's still at least partially made up of chakra.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I'm done with this point, as you clearly don't understand...its not like I need it anyway.
You keep trying to separate this ninjutsu in a different entity then the manga thats why you keep going in circles. You are wrong about it deal with it it's ninjtusu base, Kisame can absorb ninjutsu. There is nothing to disccus here.

I don't know, and it really doesn't matter....all I know is that it would be much faster than Kisame.

I don't think base speed is going to out race enhance swimming jutsu on land. But you don't agree then at least make a logical conclusion that he can catch up

Where you ask? "1. His attack isn't reaching the orb before rocks cover it.
Yes he can" Bold is your answer.

No you took my words out of context you were clearly talking about it being in the air already, not being created

:sy: That is him manifesting the attack in one panel, not firing it.
Ok how many panels did it take orb to consume alot of rocks to block orb?:sy:


GSB can't reach the orb before rocks cover it.

Same question as above

 

[KidGamer65]

Same question as above

Like I said, Im dropping this point as I don't need it for my argument.

Again, KN6 is far faster so this point is moot, why do you keep on referencing it?

Lol, I was talking about what I've been talking about this whole time....THE ROCKS FORMING AROUND IT.

And you still didn't show any manga scan of him firing the jutsu, that clearly took 2 panels to from anyway, as he claps his hands in the first panel then it forms.

CT takes 2 panels for rocks to gather around the orb.

Now, show me a scan that shows GSB having the speed necessary to cross the distance necessary to hit CT before rocks form.

 

[KidGamer65]

But just like how massive fireballs aren't pure chakra, they could still be absorbed by the preta path, which absorbed charka. In a way similar to this:

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It's obviously not a fireball, but it was the best image i could find at such short notice. It's a fireball, powered by charka, so it's not entirely chakra, but it's still at least partially made up of chakra.

I'm just going to agree to disagree on this one..as its late and im about to get off soon..so I dont feel like debating another topic.

 

[Curse Mark]

I'm just going to agree to disagree on this one..as its late and im about to get off soon..so I dont feel like debating another topic.

Well.. It was nice to hear your argument. Thanks for discussing.

 

[KidGamer65]

Well.. It was nice to hear your argument. Thanks for discussing.

Maybe tomorrow when I'm not tired we can debate this here.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Like I said, Im dropping this point as I don't need it for my argument.

Again, KN6 is far faster so this point is moot, why do you keep on referencing it?
How do you know KN6 is faster then Kisame swimming on land

Lol, I was talking about what I've been talking about this whole time....THE ROCKS FORMING AROUND IT.
You said:"No it can't, I've already showed scans of how fast it forms," meaning the charge up time in the hands

And you still didn't show any manga scan of him firing the jutsu, that clearly took 2 panels to from anyway, as he claps his hands in the first panel then it forms.
Ok two panels, lets now see CT:

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3-4


CT takes 2 panels for rocks to gather around the orb.

3-4 for full coverage (Note: I didn't said complete coverage)


Now, show me a scan that shows GSB having the speed necessary to cross the distance necessary to hit CT before rocks form.
It never happened in the manga so I will have to go with manga scans of other jutsu speed:

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1 1/2 panel

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[KidGamer65]

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I was talking about how KN6 is faster than Team Guy.

What?! 4? No, that was 3 now that I look at it...still faster than GSB and that isn't even counting the fact that GSB will have to be shot high into the air before it can hit..GSB isn't hitting that core before rocks cover it.

Lol using other jutsu huh? Nope, not gonna work as those jutsu don't have the same speed as GSB.

 

[Curse Mark]

This may seem like i'm going back on my argument, but I'm pretty sure the reason why Naruto, bee, and itachi were able to destroy nagato's CT was because the attack's they used had physical destructive power.. So it destroyed the earth and overpowered the core. Maybe it would be possible for the shark to destroy the earth and absorb the core? I don't know about that part, just trying to help explain why the rasenshuriken-TBB-YM worked really well.

 

[KidGamer65]

This may seem like i'm going back on my argument, but I'm pretty sure the reason why Naruto, bee, and itachi were able to destroy nagato's CT was because the attack's they used had physical destructive power.. So it destroyed the earth and overpowered the core. Maybe it would be possible for the shark to destroy the earth and absorb the core? I don't know about that part, just trying to help explain why the rasenshuriken-TBB-YM worked really well.

Possibly, but I doubt that it has the firepower necessary to get to the core like the 3 moves fired by Naruto and co did.

 

[Curse Mark]

Possibly, but I doubt that it has the firepower necessary to get to the core like the 3 moves fired by Naruto and co did.

There was a lot of earth compiled by the time their attacks hit though.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I was talking about how KN6 is faster than Team Guy.
Huh?ok... Well swimming on land for Kisame can catch up to Deva or pass him.

What?! 4? No, that was 3 now that I look at it...still faster than GSB and that isn't even counting the fact that GSB will have to be shot high into the air before it can hit..GSB isn't hitting that core before rocks cover it.
3 is not as firm as 4 so GSB can take it before then. So not faster GSB takes 2 panels. Kisame was high in the air vs Guy so I don't see the difference from shooting and or straight, plus the gravity pull speeds it up.

Lol using other jutsu huh? Nope, not gonna work as those jutsu don't have the same speed as GSB.[
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Ok how many panels it took them to Charge their jutsu and fire? AND also CT was already at blocked orb stage

 

[Memoria]

EjBlack you're saying that Kisame can attack Chibaku Tensei's orb before it shields itself with rocks? That's shallow if you ask me because Kisame clearly doesn't have info on the technique. Even Itachi who had a technique faster than any technique in Kisame's arsenal (Amaterasu) didn't have time to attack the orb

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, since he simply didn't know what it was capable of. Unless you think Kisame is smarter than Itachi.

OT: It could go either way imo, but Deva Path has the edge.