Kisame>Itachi (i think so)

[Lt Iceman]

Part 1 itachi(not sick) > kisame
Part 2 itachi(sick) < kisame

:rofl: Really?

Moment of clarity:

There's no "not sick Itachi",the Itachi from part 1 is the same of the in part 2,just in the part 2 the chronical illness is in it's more advanced phase.

So any Itachi beats Kisame,and more importantly Kisame admitted direct inferiority to the former.

 

[Turson]

Kisame has no answer for Tsukiyomi and Amaterasu. Hes faster, has faster hand seals and is smarter. If Kisame had a chance, I would say it would 5%.

 

[blazekev90]

Itachi also has legendary items attached and if Samehada had trouble absorbing Itachi's fire technique, then it will probably not absorb mythical treasures...

regardless, Great Shark Bullet Technique was shown to be a long distant technique, and it absorbs while increasing its powere. This technqiue has nt to do with Samehada

 

[EliteKakashi]

The same people who say that Itachi > Kisame simply because Kisame said so are probably the same people who say just because Itachi says the best he could do vs Jiraiya is a stalemate it means nothing.

 

[blazekev90]

The same people who say that Itachi > Kisame simply because Kisame said so are probably the same people who say just because Itachi says the best he could do vs Jiraiya is a stalemate it means nothing.

exactly, i remember someones thread stating how characters state these kind of things just out of respect and it was in Itachi's favor. What's the difference with this?

 

[Turson]

The same people who say that Itachi > Kisame simply because Kisame said so are probably the same people who say just because Itachi says the best he could do vs Jiraiya is a stalemate it means nothing.

Nope. Im saying this mainly becuase Kisame has simply to counter to Itachis Ameterasu and Tsukiyomi.

 

[Lightbringer]

You can't really do a thread when itachi is involved due to fanboism. Kisame vs Itachi is a close call regardless. In some scenarios, if played out right, Kisame can win. In others, Itachi would emerge victorious. I'd say it's 50/50 honestly. Kisame's "Thousand Feeding Sharks" technique can possibly counter ameterasu or at least slow it down to the point of exhausting Itachi. Kisame's "Great Exploding Water Colliding Wave" can possibly counter susanoo and yata mirror by drowning Itachi. Not sure about Tsukuyomi, but Tsukuyomi alone isn't enough to defeat a high level opponent like Kisame, as we've seen with Kakashi, but merely just tire them out.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Nope. Im saying this mainly becuase Kisame has simply to counter to Itachis Ameterasu and Tsukiyomi.

And you weren't one of the people who said what I mentioned, so no reason to feel the need to defend yourself, lol.

 

[TrollingSage]

After some thought and observation,, I have come to the conclusion the Kismae is greater than Itachi and would win 7/10. Btw Ima keep this short (ppl usually dont like long topics)


Kismae alone has the ability to obseve charka with or w/o Samehada. This would be very effective against someone like Itachi who doesnt have the best stamina and who has chakra based attacks (requiring high chakra use). Great Shark Bullet Technique too has the ability to absorb the chakra from an opponent's technique, and in turn, use that chakra to grow larger and more powerful. This would be the perfect counter for Itachi's Susanoo and it hasnt been stated that Sword of Totsuka could seal anything besides the user of the jutsu, and Kisame uses this technquies as a long rang attack, giving him enough distance from Itachi.

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Itachi's genjutsu would be the main issue for Kismae, but as we know genjutsu could be broken, as all a ninja needs to do is stop the flow of chakra in their body, and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the caster's chakra. As Kisame has chakra compared to that of tailed beast, doing such thing seems more likely than not (dude seems to enjoy pain anyway)

overall Kisame has more stamina, stronger, more endurance, and feats. Now, I now Itachi is boss (not denying that), but I think Kisame has his number.


So, yea I'm off this class now, I just wanted to state that and if you have an opinion post and I'll reply later today.

So many flaws I dont even know where to start lol.
First of all Itachi was Kisame's partner. We can safely assume he has full intel on Kisame's abilities
Kisame using that 1000 shark tech to counter amaterasu is laughable. You do realize Itachi can cast amaterasu way faster than Kisame can summon those sharks right?
Kisame has no answer for tsukiyomi either .

 

[blazekev90]

Nope. Im saying this mainly becuase Kisame has simply to counter to Itachis Ameterasu and Tsukiyomi.

bruh its not like he could just spam Amaterasu lol, Kisame has so many shark summons tht he could use as great distractions for that, as I posted.

Tsukiyomi would be the challenge and I still stand by the idea that with someone like Kisame with monstrous chakra and brutal raw power, could (should) be able to break it.

Also, Samehada focuses on ones chakra in many ways and has the ability to transfer the chakra it has absorbed to the wielder, shouldnt this be able to disturb Tsukiyomi????

 

[zabuzamistboy]

Kisame already said Itachi is stronger than he is, that's why he respected Itachi as much as he did and took his orders.

He is right! maker the poster of this thread invalid! xD

 

[Turson]

bruh its not like he could just spam Amaterasu lol, Kisame has so many shark summons tht he could use as great distractions for that, as I posted.

What you posted was invalid. See Kisame on top of these sharks? One Amaterasu and fight would be over.

Tsukiyomi would be the challenge and I still stand by the idea that with someone like Kisame with monstrous chakra and brutal raw power, could (should) be able to break it.

Which contradicts the manga. It was said that only other Uchiha can through Tsukiyomi. Moreover, big chakra doesnt mean much, as Sharingan was able to control insane chakra beings like Bijuu.

Also, Samehada focuses on ones chakra in many ways and has the ability to transfer the chakra it has absorbed to the wielder, shouldnt this be able to disturb Tsukiyomi??

Of course not, since Tsukiyomi lasts only second in real world, thats way too little time to do anything. You can break this only from inside like Sasuke, if you are Uchiha that is.

 

[blazekev90]

What you posted was invalid. See Kisame on top of these sharks? One Amaterasu and fight would be over.

Which contradicts the manga. It was said that only other Uchiha can through Tsukiyomi. Moreover, big chakra doesnt mean much, as Sharingan was able to control insane chakra beings like Bijuu.

Of course not, since Tsukiyomi lasts only second in real world, thats way too little time to do anything. You can break this only from inside like Sasuke, if you are Uchiha that is.

i didint see Kisame on the sharks? their summons lol, its not like he's required to sit there lol

the manga contradicts the manga, wouldnt be anything new lol

ok i get, mind fukk a suicidal psychopath lol

 

[Blaze Release]

The same people who say that Itachi > Kisame simply because Kisame said so are probably the same people who say just because Itachi says the best he could do vs Jiraiya is a stalemate it means nothing.

This i hate it when people say this.
Anyway blazkez i will come back to your thread after ive created my own. What i will sy for now is that youve totally taken out itachi's main fighting style in which he usually utilises from the start; genjutsu

 

[Blaze Release]

You also forgot that kisame from the start creates huge water in which he feels right at home. Itachi is also a suiton user, and with the water kisame produces can copy and counter it like what kakashi did. All depends if this will turn into a ninjutsu fight, because i can see itachi winning with genjutsu

 

[blazekev90]

This i hate it when people say this.
Anyway blazkez i will come back to your thread after ive created my own. What i will sy for now is that youve totally taken out itachi's main fighting style in which he usually utilises from the start; genjutsu

i know genjutsu would be Itachi's key aspect in the fight, which wat he would most likely start off using. This was done purposely

 

[blazekev90]

You also forgot that kisame from the start creates huge water in which he feels right at home. Itachi is also a suiton user, and with the water kisame produces can copy and counter it like what kakashi did. All depends if this will turn into a ninjutsu fight, because i can see itachi winning with genjutsu

copy the basis, yes I'm sure he could. But who would this harm more, Itachi or Kisame?

 

[Turson]

i didint see Kisame on the sharks? their summons lol, its not like he's required to sit there lol

So you must look more closely becuase Kisame is standing on one of them. Either way, they are not going to help him against Amaterasu.

the manga contradicts the manga, wouldnt be anything new lol

So we must take it as fact for now. Besides, even guy who was very skilled in using Sharingan couldnt brake Tsukiyomi, so I really dont see how Kisame would be able to do that.

ok i get, mind fukk a suicidal psychopath lol

A couple of days of torture would be more than enough to soften him, look how Kakashi ended, and it was said by Itachi that he could resist Tsukiyomi to some degree becuase of Sharingan.

 

[blazekev90]

So you must look more closely becuase Kisame is standing on one of them. Either way, they are not going to help him against Amaterasu.

So we must take it as fact for now. Besides, even guy who was very skilled in using Sharingan couldnt brake Tsukiyomi, so I really dont see how Kisame would be able to do that.

A couple of days of torture would be more than enough to soften him, look how Kakashi ended, and it was said by Itachi that he could resist Tsukiyomi to some degree becuase of Sharingan.

it would help in the respect that it would be a good distraction, forcing Itachi to use it on, what? 1000 sharks. At that point in time that would be Itachi's best move.

are you talking about Sasuke

plz comparing Kakashi and Kisame is laughable, especially regarding endurance let alone stamina lol

 

[Turson]

it would help in the respect that it would be a good distraction, forcing Itachi to use it on, what? 1000 sharks. At that point in time that would be Itachi's best move.

I think that tanking it with Susanoo would be much better move.

are you talking about Sasuke

Not only Sasuke, Itachi just said that someone with Sharingan and Uchiha blood would be able to break Tsukiyomi.

plz comparing Kakashi and Kisame is laughable, especially regarding endurance let alone stamina lol

Tsukiyomi has nothing to do with stamina or physical endurance, if Kisame was hit by it he would end up in even worse state than Kakashi. Kakshi wasnt owned becuase he was lacking chakra or was wounded.