Kisame is Top 10.

[ItachiStillSolos]

They both have info on each other I don't think he will be hit by amaterasu but, he is done if tsukuyomi hits. I'll change it to maybe for now.

I edited my comment and you're kidding right? Kisame has a better chance avoiding Tsukuyomi than Amaterasu. Kisame's speed is terrible if he isn't in his water dome.

 

[Dafty]

I doubt he has what it takes to beat Kabuto, Hashirama, Obito, Madara, Naruto, Nagato, Orochimaru, Itachi, Minato, Sasuke, Mu, The Second Mizukage, The Third Raikage, etc.

I think there's a few on your list he can handle, Naruto being one of them.

About Jiraiya, I'd like to see what you have to say about this. To make things crystal clear, I'm not trying to be aggressive, I'm just curious on your opinion of it.

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I take manga extracts from part one with a pinch of salt nowadays. A lot of stuff has been retconed.

 

[Fodder#4]

Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi still oneshots Kisame.

Not true.

Amaterasu is made up of chakra, and Samehada has an impressive range of absorption when it comes to chakra.

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And Tsukuyomi is a powerful, near unbreakable genjutsu that adds stress and slowly wares away at the victims mental state. Kisame can take it. As far as his mental state goes, he's fairly straight forward about what he wants to accomplish and who he is in this world.

And no amount of torture in the world will break Kisame. He was willing to get devoured alive to make sure that the intel he had wouldn't fall into the enemies hands. Itachi won't break him with Tsukiyomi.

Kisame will not remain uneffected by the powerful genjutsu, he will be worn out a bit. Both physically and mentally. But Itachi would be feeling similar effects. Tsukiyomi seems to have quite a few draw backs for Itachi too.

And the fact that he needs to get close enough for eye contact, putting him in close range with Kisame, is a bad position to be in. Itachi doesn't appear to be capable of using other jutsu while using Tsukiyomi either, it seems he must concentrate on his powerful genjutsu while using it.

Once it's worn off, Itachi is likely to have some of his chakra stolen by Samehada. Whether it his or not, if it gets near Itachi. Some of his chakra is bound to be absorbed. And after getting his chakra taken away from him after using such a powerful move. . Yeah.

I think it's safe to say Tsukiyomi won't decide the outcome of the battle, and would really just make both combatants equally weaker by Tsukiyomi and the inevitable counter attack Kisame will prove.

Susano'o is the real threat here, by MS techniques that is.

 

[Nous]

Top 15, not Top 10.

 

[Dafty]

Not true.

Amaterasu is made up of chakra, and Samehada has an impressive range of absorption when it comes to chakra.

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And Tsukuyomi is a powerful, near unbreakable genjutsu that adds stress and slowly wares away at the victims mental state. Kisame can take it. As far as his mental state goes, he's fairly straight forward about what he wants to accomplish and who he is in this world.

And no amount of torture in the world will break Kisame. He was willing to get devoured alive to make sure that the intel he had wouldn't fall into the enemies hands. Itachi won't break him with Tsukiyomi.

Kisame will not remain uneffected by the powerful genjutsu, he will be worn out a bit. Both physically and mentally. But Itachi would be feeling similar effects. Tsukiyomi seems to have quite a few draw backs for Itachi too.

And the fact that he needs to get close enough for eye contact, putting him in close range with Kisame, is a bad position to be in. Itachi doesn't appear to be capable of using other jutsu while using Tsukiyomi either, it seems he must concentrate on his powerful genjutsu while using it.

Once it's worn off, Itachi is likely to have some of his chakra stolen by Samehada. Whether it his or not, if it gets near Itachi. Some of his chakra is bound to be absorbed. And after getting his chakra taken away from him after using such a powerful move. . Yeah.

I think it's safe to say Tsukiyomi won't decide the outcome of the battle, and would really just make both combatants equally weaker by Tsukiyomi and the inevitable counter attack Kisame will prove.

Susano'o is the real threat here, by MS techniques that is.

Nicely played, indeed it's about the only threat, too much is unknown about it, like weather or not it can be absorbed, IMO it can.

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

Not true.

Amaterasu is made up of chakra, and Samehada has an impressive range of absorption when it comes to chakra.

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And Tsukuyomi is a powerful, near unbreakable genjutsu that adds stress and slowly wares away at the victims mental state. Kisame can take it. As far as his mental state goes, he's fairly straight forward about what he wants to accomplish and who he is in this world.

And no amount of torture in the world will break Kisame. He was willing to get devoured alive to make sure that the intel he had wouldn't fall into the enemies hands. Itachi won't break him with Tsukiyomi.

Kisame will not remain uneffected by the powerful genjutsu, he will be worn out a bit. Both physically and mentally. But Itachi would be feeling similar effects. Tsukiyomi seems to have quite a few draw backs for Itachi too.

And the fact that he needs to get close enough for eye contact, putting him in close range with Kisame, is a bad position to be in. Itachi doesn't appear to be capable of using other jutsu while using Tsukiyomi either, it seems he must concentrate on his powerful genjutsu while using it.

Once it's worn off, Itachi is likely to have some of his chakra stolen by Samehada. Whether it his or not, if it gets near Itachi. Some of his chakra is bound to be absorbed. And after getting his chakra taken away from him after using such a powerful move. . Yeah.

I think it's safe to say Tsukiyomi won't decide the outcome of the battle, and would really just make both combatants equally weaker by Tsukiyomi and the inevitable counter attack Kisame will prove.

Susano'o is the real threat here, by MS techniques that is.

Samehada hated absorbing Itachi's fireball jutsu, what makes you think it will absorb Amaterasu?
About Tsukuyomi perhaps you're right.

They both have info on each other I don't think he will be hit by amaterasu but, he is done if tsukuyomi hits. I'll change it to maybe for now.

His base speed wasn't that bad, he was able to keep up with Gai when he only had 30% of his chakra. Itachi can't keep Yata up forever and if is placed in WPSD he can't hold his breath forever.

He actually got blitzed by Gai in part 1 and again in part 2 once Gai started to use the gates. He just needs to use Yata for GSB. Match would have probably been over. Totsuka Blitz while Kisame spits

 

[ItachiStillSolos]

Kisame defeating Itachi goes down to whether Samehada can/will absorb Amaterasu IMO. While I don't think it's far-fetch'd to say Samehada can absorb Amaterasu, but would Samehada be willing to? Considering his distaste for Katon.

Even so, Kisame can most likely use GSB (Which absorbs chakra) on himself to put out the flames like he did with a normal shark bomb

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Genjutsu won't work on Kisame as he knows

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and Samehada can get Kisame out of finger genjutsu.

Using GSB on himself will also hurt him since it gets stronger if it absorbs chakra.

 

[Dafty]

I wonder if Great Shark bullet would eat Itachi's Susano'o.

 

[Oksus]

He is insanely powerful. Only way to defeat him is to master a certain skills.
Taijutsu - 7th gate > Kisame with Samehada
Genjutsu - Itachi, Sasuke and any other MS users that can cast Tsukuyomi or a variant of it. Samehada cannot protect him from eye contact.
Biju Bomb - In my opinion samehada is not capable of absorbing a Biju Bomb, so a Jinchuriki that has control *B and Naruto* could beat Kisame with smart use of Biju Bombs
Rinnegan - A rinnegan user can beat him.

To end it, he is definitely in top 20 and very underrated, but he is not in top 10

 

[Fodder#4]

Samehada hated absorbing Itachi's fireball jutsu, what makes you think it will absorb Amaterasu?
About Tsukuyomi perhaps you're right.

True, it would have significant issues with Amaterasu. But it would most likely still be absorbed. The question is, what's the state of the sword after that?

Most likely sporting a well more than a few nasty burns. It's questionable whether or not how effective Samehada would fair after this. It then comes down to this, when fused, can Samehada recover and regenerate?

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These few images reveal something. Samehada was injured by Killer Bee's attack (First Image). And by the time the fusion wore off, signs of the injury are gone. We can assume that Samehada can recover when being few chakra.

But this just presents more complications to this match up. Does Itachi have the amount of chakra required to heal Samehada? I believe not. Even if Kisame could absorb the remains of Itachi's chakra from after he is forced to use Amaterasu, it wouldn't be nearly comparable to the amounts Killer Bee had drained.

And I am saying that Itachi could have enough chakra total to heal it, but after he uses Amaterasu or any MS technique his chakra takes a notable spiral down. They are last resort moves and not something he Sasuke-Spams. Plus, Itachi's stick has always been pretty superb chakra control and not chakra reserves.

So in total, Amaterasu has the potential to take Samehada out of commission in this fight. Kisame could probably fuse with the sword still, his best option at this point. The next technique would be a high level Suiton-lake creating jutsu. PERHAPS the Water Dome.

Itachi would right away retaliate by using his Susano'o. It comes down to, for me, how fast can the Totsuka blade chop and slice Kisame in half? Is it capable of catching him in the water. And can Susano'o BE absorbed?

Logically is should be able to, but it was able to pass right into Nagato's Preta Path sphere without harm. So it's either a very dense collection of chakra that makes it fairly hard to absorb, or it for some reason can't.

And, something note worthy, Preta Path did absorb a version 2 Killer Bee around the same time Samehada did. So they're roughly equals in chakra absorption.

I do believe Itachi would win, but he would do so with his intellect and not raw power and jutsu. He would use Kisame's own nature against him. His blood thirstyness that he always seems to have. As the battle drags on, it could make him rash enough to get

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in half by Totsuka.

People often forget that the Totsuka blade is far quicker and arguably more deadly than it appears to be. Piercing and sealing isn't all it does.

 

[wael reda]

He is insanely powerful. Only way to defeat him is to master a certain skills.
Taijutsu - 7th gate > Kisame with Samehada
Genjutsu - Itachi, Sasuke and any other MS users that can cast Tsukuyomi or a variant of it. Samehada cannot protect him from eye contact.
Biju Bomb - In my opinion samehada is not capable of absorbing a Biju Bomb, so a Jinchuriki that has control *B and Naruto* could beat Kisame with smart use of Biju Bombs
Rinnegan - A rinnegan user can beat him.

To end it, he is definitely in top 20 and very underrated, but he is not in top 10

i add kamui
the dust i don't think samehada would absorb jiton
third raikage's finger's attacks i don't see samehade absorb finger's attack ,even madara's rinngan wasn't able to absorb A's light armor in his speed
amatrasu

 

[slaton02]

He is top ten and I already proved he beats Sasuke(ems)8/10 and Itachi 7/10
He can avoid completly genjutsu when fused and break out when not fused
Ninjutsu including ama is absorbed
almost no one has a counter for GSB
healing,chakra absorbing,reserves make him one of the most durable characters.
gets stronger the longer the battle, while enemy gets weaker.