Kirin, the most powerful jutsu ever?
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Drio Osiamo
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Wouldn't Minato be able to avoid it? Considering he has insanely fast reflexes and on top of that has the FTG?
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Then the same can be applied to kirin because it takes prep time which in that case anyone who obviously does not want to die would attack and not just stand there as sasuke creates the necessary atmosphere above to even get it started.In that time a multitude of attacks could strike him down like that jinton your trying to brush off as inferior.Both ninjust have the same outcome the opponent dies because nobody can take a jinton attack or a kirin and survive the only difference is that jinton can be activated right away.Can kirin ? No.Every justu has a flaw but as for kirin vs jinton the jinton user is winning maybe you should of thought that through instead of wikapeding lightning lol
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The justu channels raw lightning which is more powerful then chakra manipulated lightning since it is raw energy concentrated in one spot.There is no higher level to that justu.He can tweak how he performs it or learn to channel a greater deal but as for the actual justu itself nothing can be added.I would like to throw my two cents into this well of debate as well, if there are no objections.
Kirin is indeed highly powerful. It's lightning incarnate, and it can be aimed. It is, however, only TRULY useful in finishing off an opponent which is incapacitated, yet extremely hard to kill (examples... Kakuzu/almost any Uzumaki/Orochimaru/Snake Cloak Kabuto/someone who can regenerate quickly/a Kage/Danzou/Gai or Lee with Gates, probably 5 or more open would cause them to be very hard to off). Coupled with perhaps a hard beating beforehand after which the opponent would be hard-pressed to move quickly, or Ino's Mind-Transfer, or the Nara clan's Kagemane... this theoretically incomplete Kirin which we have seen already may belong in that category that comes as the final strike against an immobilized opponent, even despite it's literal lightning speed.
Kirin's potential? I am sure we have not seen it. Sasuke seemed to have a great deal of faith in Kirin's usefulness in one on one battle with little to no attempts to keep the target in one place, even against Itachi (after all, did he not say himself that this was a jutsu he had developed for the sole purpose of defeating Itachi?), and seemed confused when it didn't work. He clearly thought it would fast enough, strong enough, etc... to kill Itachi. This says to me that the one time we saw it being used, Kirin was, perhaps, INCOMPLETE.
Now, however, let us come to present time. We have a new, potentially stupidly powerful Sasuke who will most likely make very good use of Kirin; developing it in ways that will allow it to strike multiple times in lightning-quick succession... or with multiple bolts... maybe electrifying the area around it, creating a version of a much greater scale (which could perhaps be done in many other ways as well... after all, the ground being electrified isn't exactly close to perfect or even hard to avoid... a much bigger lightning bolt, if possible, would be far more effective I would think), etc. Surely it will also be more powerful.
Coupled with Amaterasu to chase the opponent around, a good battlefield (a place where there isn't much space to run away, such as a canyon, a maze, a mountain, open water, or what have you, I see Kirin as being very, very problematic and deadly to any opponent without the means to counter it, partially because I don't see a completely perfected, Sasuke-designed Kirin being something that would be easy to escape, prep time or no. And even with prep time, I mean come on. Susano'hello?
Susano'o eliminates the option to attack effectively during the prep time for most opponents, especially close-range specialists.
The Susano'o arrow (IF it is able to be fired whilst prepping Kirin... if not, probably still would be enough time if Sasuke just fired it right before, at least in my opinion) is quite hard to dodge.... and the Sharingan itself, let's not forget, allows Sasuke to see/know just about exactly where the struck target will end up. Stick em to a tree for all he cares, hell. If they aren't already dead from the arrow, which is most likely many times slower than Kirin and yet so damned fast, then anyone following my logic ought to know what comes next in this here scenario.
Kirin is fired now. Fried shinobi.
Perhaps to some that seemed like a long explanation, but go over it in your head after you fully understand it, and you will notice that any of the scenarios within that wall of coloured text would take very little time, and yet allow for much more time than it would take (most likely, and obviously depending on the opponent). Kirin is most certainly NOT the most POWERFUL jutsu, but is potentially one of the deadliest when used strategically. Sasuke, much like Shikamaru, is a highly intelligent, calm/collected, and effective strategist... in case there is anyone who hasn't noticed.
Thanks to those of you who read this.
DeadManWonderLand
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No you can't its not chakra its raw energy from the sky the manga made it clear that there is a major difference in strength when it comes to chakra manipulated in to an element and the raw element itself.The lightning itself is not chakra based it is only being guided by his chakra down to earth.
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Bitch Please, Shinra Tensei is stronger than Kirin and I wouldn't even consider that to be the strongest, strong retard post by OP.
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Jinton>Kirin- Jinton's prep time is much quicker than Kirin's and damage produced by two Jinton's collidinghttp://www.mangareader.net/naruto/546/15
TBB>Kirin- A TBB from the Juubi could destroy a village
TBB>Kirin- A TBB from the Juubi could destroy a village
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DeadManWonderLand
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nigga you fail at naruto and science if you somehow think that can push away raw lightning XD
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so far, i dont remember anyone dying from a tailed beast bomb
It was either deflected by a bijuu/minato/naruto or blew up a landscape where nobody was around.
Your logic is frighteningly stupid
It was either deflected by a bijuu/minato/naruto or blew up a landscape where nobody was around.
Your logic is frighteningly stupid
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Whats with some of these people saying Kirin was stopped by Yata's Mirror.
Yata's Mirror is wielded by Itachi's Final Susanoo, he only need V2(Incomplete) Susanoo to block Kirin.
Yata's Mirror is wielded by Itachi's Final Susanoo, he only need V2(Incomplete) Susanoo to block Kirin.
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Rubber > Kirin
If Kirin was as fast as you say then Itachi wouldn't have had the reflexes to activate his Susanoo in time.
On top of that, any of the speedsters in the series is going to GTFO if they see a huge friggin lightning dragon
hovering overtop of them, waiting to strike..
& if you wanna bring real world situations into it, there are people who have survived being hit by lightning FYI.
If Kirin was as fast as you say then Itachi wouldn't have had the reflexes to activate his Susanoo in time.
On top of that, any of the speedsters in the series is going to GTFO if they see a huge friggin lightning dragon
hovering overtop of them, waiting to strike..
& if you wanna bring real world situations into it, there are people who have survived being hit by lightning FYI.
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^ It didn't block all of it, otherwise his skin wouldn't have burnt. It's obvious he survived this because of Yata mirror. There is so obvious explanation to this, as just when he got up to stabilized his sussano back to its former state.
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I know it didn't get all of it, thats why I said it got most of it.
And Yata's Mirror is only wielded by Itachi's Final Susanoo, not his Incomplete Susanoo, but Incomplete Susanoo reappeared when Itachi got up from the blast.
So Itachi used his Incomplete Susanoo to block it w/o Yata's Mirror.