True... Raikage has shown great resistance to lightning, like for example Chidori barely scratched him, but then he was using his lightning armor, so idk if its relevant. But again, theres a great amount of electricity in the water.
Kirabi challenges ~Shigure~ for The God of Lightning
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yeah but how long would I be within that water.. nit very long at the momentum shag was going. I would be sent flying through the water. all the amount of lightning I do take in wouldn't be a fatal amount though. like I said I'd be alive bt probably only be able to use a low rank tech to avoid as the water begins to spread
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id also like to point out that the backside of my technique would not be charged as much as the point where Shigure entered. the frontside of the justu would be greatly charged the sides moderately and the back would be charged just a little as the lightning spreads throughout the justu. if you think about how long it takes shig to hit me. which is quick I would be sent back rather quickly.
Sorry not trying to argue just not wanting to risk a death when i would atleast have enough time to attempt to save myself.
Sorry not trying to argue just not wanting to risk a death when i would atleast have enough time to attempt to save myself.
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Yes... The reason you die is because your armor is directly radiating off your skin. so when water touches you all that lightning short circuits and travels directly back into your body.
Me on the other hand because your going third gate speed when you die you crash into me and that momentum and such gets transferred to me so then I would be flying out the backside where most of the lightning hadn't reached yet. and I would be shocked slightly as I would be going through the backside of the water just as quickly as you came into the water. The lightning wouldn't do much damage to me because I myself am not using my armor. the lightning in the water wouldn't have enough time to shock me to the point of death but I would be shocked.
ahhh, srry for the spam, but thats the second hokage using it, who was thhe greatest water jutsu user ever, he would be able to use it like that, but would a normal person...? (kakashi with raikiri now, compared to against zabuza is a prime example of no longer needing the seals for a jutsu)
Because it has never been shown by anyone else, using another amount of handseals, it is used like that.
If we had another example, we'd restrict only having to clap his hands to make the water appear to tobirama bio only.
Also, Kirabi. the lightning in his body discharges into the water, you get electrocuted by the water and not Shigure. Shigure just pushes you into the water behind you.
Electricity takes the shortest and easiest path.
A human body is very resistant to electricity, while water is less, so it'd travel easier through water then a human body. So its the water the electrocutes you, and its the same amount of electricity that killed Shigure.
I'm still a bit confused of the timing here.
Hence, even as Tobirama took around 5-6 seconds to perform that jutsu and I would've hit Kirabi by then, since he stated he started using it when I was already charging with my Lightning Execution. .-.
But hell, I won't argue again - Kirabi, just admit a draw. I'll ask Emp to close this if he has time tomorrow.
Hence, even as Tobirama took around 5-6 seconds to perform that jutsu and I would've hit Kirabi by then, since he stated he started using it when I was already charging with my Lightning Execution. .-.
But hell, I won't argue again - Kirabi, just admit a draw. I'll ask Emp to close this if he has time tomorrow.
I'll gt my spear back..!
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(Muneisei Za chuushin) - Will power of the heart
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 40
Damage points: (+15 to taijutsu techniques)
Description: The user will use this when they are at deaths door and then have dying thoughts that they had believed there was something they didn�t quite accomplish and then by using sheer will power they manage to pull themselves together long enough to accomplish that goal and provides the user with extra power due to the sheer determination of the heart of the user. Jiraya shows this technique when he fights the 6 paths of pein. This jutsu provides +15 damage points to all taijutsu techniques.
Note: Lasts 3 turns and can only be used once
Note: User must defeat the enemy in the 3 turns or they die due to depletion of energy
(the second jutsu to restricted)
after the massive shock.. bringing myself back to life at least long enough to take both me and Shig to the hospital.
I say a rematch is in order.. "
Well this is my opinion: Shigure wins
Why? Well simple so far all of you instantly assumed that Shigure would get shocked when he would be hit by water. You didn't even question that but in my opinion that is not true, he doesn't get shocked. Which leads to that he would just pierce through the water jutsu and hit Kirabi who would have no time left to counter and thus looses.
Why would Shigure not get shocked? First and for all the lightning armour is an S-rank lightning and Kirabi used a C-rank water, though of course that doesn't say much. Second and more importantly there's a reason as why it's called an armour, it provides protection. That armour is made out of highely dense lightning and user is completely covered in it. Can you explain to me how it is possible that a highely dense S-rank lightning armour can be pierced by a C-rank water jutsu? yes the water has to pierce the armour. Water indeed conducts electricity, however it's only dangerous if you actually touch it and when does Shigure touch the electrified water? Never as the lightning armour forms a barrier between the shocked water and him. Yes the lightning would in the least electrify the water around the armour, but it would be a centrifugal force with Shigure as the middle.
It has been proven that the lightning armour is incredibly dense and strong: Sasuke used a Chidori/Raikiri on it and it barely pierced it and it was an A/S rank lightning jutsu. If that can't penetrate it a C-rank water jutsu would?
Short said Shigure wins because he doesn't get shocked as even though the water is electrified, it doesn't touch him, so there is no problem. He wouldn't have air for some seconds and the water would cause some opposing pressure, but not that much, thus Shigure would just go straight through it and hit Kirabi.
Hasashi brought a similar example: Sasuke uses a Chidori to control Kirin, but normally he should be shocked himself by Kirin, though the Chidori covers his hand, he doesn't touch Kirin directly. It's not entirely the same, though pretty similar.
If Shigure first would be wet and then uses the lightning armour he indeed would be shocked as then he does touch the electrified water, but when it's the other way around it doesn't work. If it did you could just use a water gun toy to defeat the lightning armour.
Of course you can start debating about my opinion, but then you will have to prove he does touches the electrified water and if you can't do that it's futile.
Some other additional notes
* Shigure's speed isn't that fast. People often assume that each gate increases the users speed tremendously, but that's wrong. It's only starting from the 4th gate that you truly get an enormous speed boost, the first three gates don't increase the speed much, they mainly take away the limitations of the body. Also the description of his 2nd jutsu says he focuses chakra slowly, so there is certainly enough time for Kirabi to act.
* In the case you would accept that Shigure is shocked, I have would said Kirabi won. There would be some momentum in Shigure, however from the point Shigure is shocked he stops running and it's impossible to say which way he's going to fly due to his momentum. For the same money he flies strait on Kirabi or directly into the ground. Considering there was some reasonable amount of time Kirabi would have had some distance of the water. Though as I don't believe Shigure gest shocked I say he wins.
Why? Well simple so far all of you instantly assumed that Shigure would get shocked when he would be hit by water. You didn't even question that but in my opinion that is not true, he doesn't get shocked. Which leads to that he would just pierce through the water jutsu and hit Kirabi who would have no time left to counter and thus looses.
Why would Shigure not get shocked? First and for all the lightning armour is an S-rank lightning and Kirabi used a C-rank water, though of course that doesn't say much. Second and more importantly there's a reason as why it's called an armour, it provides protection. That armour is made out of highely dense lightning and user is completely covered in it. Can you explain to me how it is possible that a highely dense S-rank lightning armour can be pierced by a C-rank water jutsu? yes the water has to pierce the armour. Water indeed conducts electricity, however it's only dangerous if you actually touch it and when does Shigure touch the electrified water? Never as the lightning armour forms a barrier between the shocked water and him. Yes the lightning would in the least electrify the water around the armour, but it would be a centrifugal force with Shigure as the middle.
It has been proven that the lightning armour is incredibly dense and strong: Sasuke used a Chidori/Raikiri on it and it barely pierced it and it was an A/S rank lightning jutsu. If that can't penetrate it a C-rank water jutsu would?
Short said Shigure wins because he doesn't get shocked as even though the water is electrified, it doesn't touch him, so there is no problem. He wouldn't have air for some seconds and the water would cause some opposing pressure, but not that much, thus Shigure would just go straight through it and hit Kirabi.
Hasashi brought a similar example: Sasuke uses a Chidori to control Kirin, but normally he should be shocked himself by Kirin, though the Chidori covers his hand, he doesn't touch Kirin directly. It's not entirely the same, though pretty similar.
If Shigure first would be wet and then uses the lightning armour he indeed would be shocked as then he does touch the electrified water, but when it's the other way around it doesn't work. If it did you could just use a water gun toy to defeat the lightning armour.
Of course you can start debating about my opinion, but then you will have to prove he does touches the electrified water and if you can't do that it's futile.
Some other additional notes
* Shigure's speed isn't that fast. People often assume that each gate increases the users speed tremendously, but that's wrong. It's only starting from the 4th gate that you truly get an enormous speed boost, the first three gates don't increase the speed much, they mainly take away the limitations of the body. Also the description of his 2nd jutsu says he focuses chakra slowly, so there is certainly enough time for Kirabi to act.
* In the case you would accept that Shigure is shocked, I have would said Kirabi won. There would be some momentum in Shigure, however from the point Shigure is shocked he stops running and it's impossible to say which way he's going to fly due to his momentum. For the same money he flies strait on Kirabi or directly into the ground. Considering there was some reasonable amount of time Kirabi would have had some distance of the water. Though as I don't believe Shigure gest shocked I say he wins.
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