[Discussion] Kinkaku and Ginkaku and relationship with SO6P

[AWSUM SID]

Its a very short theory and with only manga facts in the first part. Kinkaku and Ginkaku are not Uzumaki. They are directly related to the SO6P's family- Hagoromo clan.

Here is an interesting thing I absolutely forgot:

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That man was from the Hagoromo clan. And, they were at one point allied with the Uchiha clan.

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A long time ago, IKSOKRIPS made a theory being that the Hagoromo clan was the founder of the Hidden Cloud. But, he stated that the Hagoromo clan would have nothing to do with the story later on. A mistake that everyone made and basically forgot.

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And here is basically why I as well think they founded Kumogakure. Their outfits look like the Hidden cloud uniform.

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If you compare with the picture above, you'll see the similarities also.

This also explains why they had the Sage's tools and also why A said they are related to SO6P.

Second Part:

We know that the Uchiha and Senju later formed an alliance. Probably the Hagoromo clan defected from the Uchiha because of that and decided to make a strong rival village- Kumogakure.

The Hyuuga joined Konoha and became a powerful force. I assume that many older members of the Hagoromo clan knew about Kaguya having the sharingan and byakugan or atleast theorized. Therefore, they wanted to get a hyuuga bloodline shinobi from Konoha and pair them with the Hagoromo clan to make a neo-senju/uchiha bloodline.

As time went on, the real reason was forgotten and the next generation of the Hidden Cloud kept on the tradition of stealing/abducting KKG shinobi/tools as the secretive elders, now deceases with their secrets, had commanded them to do so for such a long time.​

 

[fuuton]

Ummm rikudo sennin's name is Hagoromo.. His clan name is Ootsutsuki

 

[ShiroT]

until futher clans are shown to be related, only uchiha, uzumaki, senji, and byakugan. And the so6p is not a clan his only known clans are the ones ive listed

 

[LUMOS ULTIMATUM]

Hagoromo was rikudo's name, not his clan.

 

[AWSUM SID]

Ummm rikudo sennin's name is Hagoromo.. His clan name is Ootsutsuki

It doesnt necessarily matter that succeeding members of a family take on the clan name. We have indra and Asura whose successors decided to use the names Uchiha and Senju.

 

[UchihaElder]

Naruto's surname's history show's why most powerful shinobi's kids don't have the same last name. It's seems normal for it to happen once a shinobi's status reaches a certain height.

 

[fuuton]

It doesnt necessarily matter that succeeding members of a family take on the clan name. We have indra and Asura whose successors decided to use the names Uchiha and Senju.

If this "Hagormo clan" really is the successors of RS's clan.. Then why isnt it this popular as Uchiha and Senju? I mean it was only mentioned once or twice in the entire manga.. Not even RS talked bout this clan.. Plus the crest resembles nothing of the sun and moon.. And nothinga from rikudos clothes

 

[AWSUM SID]

If this "Hagormo clan" really is the successors of RS's clan.. Then why isnt it this popular as Uchiha and Senju? I mean it was only mentioned once or twice in the entire manga.. Not even RS talked bout this clan.. Plus the crest resembles nothing of the sun and moon.. And nothinga from rikudos clothes

Kinkaku and Ginkaku were revered shinobi. They might not have had the same rep as Uchiha or Senju but ewere two of the most powerful shinobi in Kumo.

Kumo was always a military powerhouse and were secretive. They didnot let any info leak unlike Konoha. And, as I speculated, a few elders probably knew thay had a connection with SO6P.

Does the Senju crest or Uniform have anything to do with Hagoromo's crests or clothes?

 

[fuuton]

Kinkaku and Ginkaku were revered shinobi. They might not have had the same rep as Uchiha or Senju but ewere two of the most powerful shinobi in Kumo.

Kumo was always a military powerhouse and were secretive. They didnot let any info leak unlike Konoha. And, as I speculated, a few elders probably knew thay had a connection with SO6P.

Does the Senju crest or Uniform have anything to do with Hagoromo's crests or clothes?

Yup it does.. Naruto as an uzumaki, he has his clan's crest on his back, same as sasuke...

I believe there is no solid facts about what u r saying.... They revealed nothing bout kinkaku or ginkaku except their story of them with the nine tails and the two kages they killed...

 

[Behemoth55]

It doesnt necessarily matter that succeeding members of a family take on the clan name. We have indra and Asura whose successors decided to use the names Uchiha and Senju.

But the author declared unequivocally the parallels between these two clans and their anscestors. Actually, it's a misconeption of a few fans that the Uchiha had some kind of pact with the Hagoromo-Clan, but that's not right. You should consider Butsumas manner of expression when he talks about that incident and don't forget that Shinobi-Organizations consisted in that time only of single-Clan mercenary units.
The Uchiha and Senju were feared as the strongest.
The more they became famous, the more increased their number of foes.

Hagoromo means "feathering". I'm sure the Hagoromo-Clan has a connection to these term like the Uchiha to their "Uchiwa" and it doesn't refer to Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki.

Regarding Ginkaku and Kinkaku:
The Kingin Kyōdai have probably -based on A's statement- a connection to Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki, because they could eat the flesh of Kurama without dying. However, we don't know more currently. After I saw Hagoromo and listened to his story, I woudn't take A's declaration too serious. A wasn't really sure about that either.

 

[davidou]

Did you notice that Kin and Gin horns are not like Kaguya's and Hagoromo's horns?

Did you notice that the horns on the "Reaper Death Seal" and Kin and Gin horns are similar?

Raikage thought they were related to the sage , so RDS is related to the sage.

RDS=Hago's brother=Kin ancestor , and all the hypothesis are good.


Interesting , Hagoromo clan uniforms have similarities with the cloud.

My theory (my sig) , correlates with your deductions.

 

[NinSensei]

In the first picture is stated HagAromo not HagOromo (SO6P) !!!