[Game] KINGDOM [ 킹덤 ] MAFIA GAME #25

[-PK-]

Excuse me?! Even if I've been away from the thread, this doesn't really match the quality of my posts! Rej was also quite low-content when present!

All you have done is provide general commentary over people. You haven't pressured anyone.
There are 2 votes against you atm btw.
By the end of this phase it might be you who would be eating the lynch.

What do you say regarding that?

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

Thank you very much for taking the time and putting the effort to explain your points to me
We still have a few hours, like 3 right? I will read carefully.

Ok, reading this case it's obviously not alignment indicative at all towards me, but what I can draw from this is that Tiger is at the very least probably indie?

All of the things you have said in here are not alignment indicative for me at all, not sure if they are for anyone really, but you're reading me scum for what appears to be my abrasiveness and aggressive behaviour.

Basically, I'll outline for you why I'm playing the way I am :

1) This behaviour is the most transparent for me, there are no filtered thoughts and I just say whatever comes up on my mind
2) Nothing about pushing multiple people has anything to do with anyone's alignments. I do this in every single one of my games. This is actually more town indicative for me than you make it look like so I'd be surprised if anyone actually followed this case in order to place down a vote on me. You've basically summed up why I'm town fairly nicely, kudos to you
3) I have specifically said I wanted to vote you but nobody would pile on. At that point, Rej was acting fairly strange w/r/t his play style. People wanted to vote Rej and so I went with the only wagon I had some form of suspicion on in order to save my top town and Rej was kind of the consensus lynch that I could pull off at EoD in order to save -PK-. I have later answered that it was more of a play style issue that left me confused rather than anything scum indicative, which is why I shifted on my read the next day.
4) Elmage didn't vote me at the beginning of this day phase, he voted me yesterday and it was a weak vote. I prodded him for it and I find him scummy. Either way, OMGUS is not explicitly scum motivated.

With that being said, I probably have my confidence shaken on your read just because I feel like a scum would make better points overall, whereas this just feels like you're confused about my actions in a way that is reminiscent of my very first games where I'd jump at anyone scum reading me.

What about Elmage's comments did you find "good" or town motivated / hard to fake? Why am I scum for voting Elmage when he voted me yesterday, when the situation today is completely reversed? (he forgot about me, I scum read him, then HE OMGUSED me)? Why is it a one way road for you?

It is true it can go the other way too that Elmage can be the scum.
And yes I did pick you up as scum because of your aggressive style which seemed scum to me.

Yeah basically this reinforces my view. I feel like a scum would at least approach better points / logical flaws that have some sort of alignment indicativeness to them, but this just feels like a new town trying to earnestly find scum.

Again, I can't follow why I am not just town that found a scum and is pushing it. Do you tend to believe scum just grab the spotlight and tunnel someone for the whole day?

I know it's WIFOMy but I have to make these points in order for you to see how wrong you are on my alignment.

I don't know what WIFOMy is.
It is true I am still a newbie and I cannot comment on play styles because I don't have that kind of info.

 

[Michelle]

But you didn't address my points @Michelle also, I wasn't referring to you when I said
"You should'nt go for easy lynches at EOD"

I was referring to TSQ EOD wagon last DP

Yes, i didn't adress your points. And i will not do that, bare with this if you want.

 

[-PK-]

If he is then I die anyway because I'm about to explode again. I don't know what this is even supposed to meant, why should I be worried if he is town?

I guess I look bad and I'll feel worse about myself but that's about it, game moves on.

I'd suggest you skim because you are way behind and avoid addressing every post about you.

 

[Thestatusquo]

Lmfao, i find it quite alarming that post of his triggered you this much.

I guess this is a fair take although I actually think it makes him >rand villa than anything, I can see players not used to my play style get obfuscated by it

It probably makes him indie if anything? While I did keep coming back to Tiger it was because I had shaky reasoning on everyone else and his posts weren't making me feel good, the fact he thinks I hard pushed him / even have any solid reasoning other than a gut lean is probably more indicative of an indie, because he doesn't care to hunt but rather is a lot more focused on people that are pushing him.

Scum would feign a lot more solving I feel like, whereas Tiger is just floating around.

 

[osieorb18]

@Thestatusquo - I think that your reads on Elmage and PK feel like they are coloured by at least a little tunnel vision! You're clearly wound up! Maybe cool down a bit and try and look at their posts with a clearer mind?!

 

[Michelle]

Excuse me?! Even if I've been away from the thread, this doesn't really match the quality of my posts! Rej was also quite low-content when present!

i was thinking at time itt not at posts. You were away for a large amount of the day, in time, not content.

 

[Thestatusquo]

I guess this is a fair take although I actually think it makes him >rand villa than anything, I can see players not used to my play style get obfuscated by it

It probably makes him indie if anything? While I did keep coming back to Tiger it was because I had shaky reasoning on everyone else and his posts weren't making me feel good, the fact he thinks I hard pushed him / even have any solid reasoning other than a gut lean is probably more indicative of an indie, because he doesn't care to hunt but rather is a lot more focused on people that are pushing him.

Scum would feign a lot more solving I feel like, whereas Tiger is just floating around.

I can see this being misinterpreted heavily, what I meant was that I can see villagers having an issue with this (more so focused on the part of NOT SCUM MINORITY FACTION) but I think he's probably more neutral for it because he lacks hunting and is a lot more focused on how I perceive him, putting a lot more stock into my scum read on him than I actually have myself.

 

[osieorb18]

All you have done is provide general commentary over people. You haven't pressured anyone.
There are 2 votes against you atm btw.
By the end of this phase it might be you who would be eating the lynch.

What do you say regarding that?

Umm... I cased out Red and have had my vote there for most of the game! What game have you been reading?!

 

[Thestatusquo]

@Thestatusquo - I think that your reads on Elmage and PK feel like they are coloured by at least a little tunnel vision! You're clearly wound up! Maybe cool down a bit and try and look at their posts with a clearer mind?!

So you're saying Elmage is town and PK scum? Why?

The only thing that would make me want to step back from Elmage is seeing how nobody really reacts to the push in any way and is focused on something else. The thread state might indicate towards that, but Elmage is just so god damn scummy mate

 

[Michelle]

Rej has the exact same playstyle as he did last phase and he turned out to be town.
For the time you were alive in that game you were fixated on Rej and it led nowhere. S
It's the same situation right now.

the difference is we played one more game off site and he was scum, and now as scum he has other approach and if he were town he would put other price on his life

 

[Thestatusquo]

@Thestatusquo: (This includes Elmage!)

W H Y

 

[osieorb18]

i was thinking at time itt not at posts. You were away for a large amount of the day, in time, not content.

I suppose I figured as much! That seems kinda shallow, but I'm willing to forgive you, I suppose! How do you feel about PK's bad faith posting?! I may like your vote on Rej, but do you feel that it's a more useful lynch than other scumreads?!

 

[Thestatusquo]

I gave a whole ISO on you for Day 1!

Today you came in with horrific WIFOM that is likely scum-intentioned! (NKA is NAI, but NK WIFOM is scummy!)

You then pushed on SK based on reasoning for NK that was already clearly WIFOM! This looks like you were trying to frame SK!

You followed that up with more wine[url], and some degree of LAMIST and a tinge of OGI!
You then [url=https://animebase.me/threads/kingdom-%ED%82%B9%EB%8D%A4-mafia-game-25.774761/post-22002651]make an even-more-OGI suggestion that poison is reading based on familiarity rather than actual thoughts!

Don't look at my posts in depth! They're just LAMIST!

You flip-flop on poison more than a pufferfish out-of-water!

You TMI PK as town while sheeping their read on Hammock seemingly for an easy mislynch!

You dismiss TSQ's read off-hand without going into details while asking for details!

No reads yet! (Another contradiction since you've been expressing reads all game!)

Asking for more detail while also being generally dismissive of anything I say through an attack on my character!

One of the most bizarre, unhelpful, lacking-in-detail, busy-work-esque posts I've ever seen in 3 years of mafia and a decade of forum gaming! And this isn't hyperbole!

Self-focused continuation of the previous post!

Reiterating someone else's post to look like you're saying more than you actually are!

Then why not post it with your reads?! Also, a contradiction in itself because you say that you have reads and don't have reads in the same post!

WIFOM-heavy, low-detail, fence-sitty POE on half the players disguised as a readlist again seemingly posted to look like you're doing more work than you're actually doing!

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Wow, I could do this all day!

She's so damn scummy!

@Thestatusquo @Michelle @Ansatsuken @Hammock @aa-dono @Tigerrr in the woods @-PK- @Elmage G Ace @Rej @Poison chan @SoulKiller

I have a very personal and distinct way of hunting, this case really doesn't settle it down for me in any way. I don't have the time to shift my read / I honestly don't even want to, I've spent my whole day pushing Elmage, I'd need a god tier case on someone in order to shift my PoV to be fair.

I will evaluate Red tomorrow, more in-depth, if I get to live this day phase

 

[osieorb18]

So you're saying Elmage is town and PK scum? Why?

The only thing that would make me want to step back from Elmage is seeing how nobody really reacts to the push in any way and is focused on something else. The thread state might indicate towards that, but Elmage is just so god damn scummy mate

I think that Elmage has much less scum equity than one might think! A scumread there feels a bit surface-level!

PK I'm not sure on; I have them around neutral in my reads, but if not for the lynchproof, I'd scumread them in a heartbeat!

 

[Thestatusquo]

Bottom line, I'd much rather trust my own reads than someone else's, I hope you understand.

I was actually scum reading you osie at EoD, so I don't really know how to feel about this to be honest

 

[Thestatusquo]

I think that Elmage has much less scum equity than one might think! A scumread there feels a bit surface-level!

PK I'm not sure on; I have them around neutral in my reads, but if not for the lynchproof, I'd scumread them in a heartbeat!

People have yet still to address my case and why it's bad

 

[osieorb18]

I have a very personal and distinct way of hunting, this case really doesn't settle it down for me in any way. I don't have the time to shift my read / I honestly don't even want to, I've spent my whole day pushing Elmage, I'd need a god tier case on someone in order to shift my PoV to be fair.

I will evaluate Red tomorrow, more in-depth, if I get to live this day phase

I think that evaluating Red or Rej ASAP would be a good idea! Red also may have TMI'd Elmage as Town!

 

[Thestatusquo]

True. But doesn't mean your not either.

My point was that your point on TSQ was weak. So I figured that you were bussing.

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[Elmage G Ace]

I'm going offline soon, I have to get some shut eye so I can work at night, I might be back before Eod. I want to clarify the issue I have with TSQ, Because it seems I'm still not well understood

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VoteLynch: @Thestatusquo
you there bro?
I noticed you seem to be misinterpreting people's comments when pressurized to them, could be that you're over analyzing the things or you're scum trying to twist the narrative to suit your needs

Had to decide between you and Rej, but he had a post that cleared him

I voted him here because I noticed this issue, he misinterpreted both Poison and Red's post, although Red's was more obvious

Are you around @Thestatusquo ? My concern with Rej is he was a little concerned with roles, something a mafia would do since they don't know town roles, but he had some nice posts after that

Here I posted my concern with Rej. At this point my Sus was TSQ and Rej

Reason please? I'm hoping he's online so I can clear up things with him, I'm not trying to push a lynch

I voted, and Michelle basically said No, I wasn't trying to form a wagon here, as you can see above I mentioned him, and I waited an hour before I went to work

ok. pressure is good

Michelle was okay with it after I explained why I voted him

Also, btw, I may be wrong, but I don't think just_Red is scum, her play was not aggressive as I'd expect, but she was relaxed, I don't know why people a throwing the word cautious in respect to her play, I noticed nothing of the sort

This is me giving my thoughts on Red, implying I don't think she's scum. Remember this

That doesn't mean she's scum, the most aggressive I've seen her was actually as scum. I change of playstyle should not often be associated with alignment.

Btw where is @SoulKiller

I'll follow up shortly with TSQs baseless accusations