[Game] KINGDOM [ 킹덤 ] MAFIA GAME #25

[Elmage G Ace]

Oh good, TSQ is here, do catch up and respond to me

 

[Thestatusquo]

You think carefully I am sorry, what I am trying to say is: just cause I don't know how TSQ plays and cause TSQ played town like this before doesn't mean my argument is null.
it's classic SCUM behavior in my opinion -.-
and the fact that he tried to get people to bite Elmage topped it.

Yeah basically this reinforces my view. I feel like a scum would at least approach better points / logical flaws that have some sort of alignment indicativeness to them, but this just feels like a new town trying to earnestly find scum.

Again, I can't follow why I am not just town that found a scum and is pushing it. Do you tend to believe scum just grab the spotlight and tunnel someone for the whole day?

I know it's WIFOMy but I have to make these points in order for you to see how wrong you are on my alignment.

 

[Thestatusquo]

It's funny how you seem to trust TSQ, almost without even considering that he may be scum, when I first voted TSQ in DP one, your reply was 'No' basically, when I was just trying to pressure him. Did you even read our interactions? I basically answered all his questions, but I don't know if there's a language barrier there, I started ignoring him because I can't keep repeating myself, but you're trusting his 'Analysis' what analysis? He just seems to be looking for something that is non existent. Re read the interactions if you need to please, don't disappoint me, we've also been playing this game a while now

I've actually made a case that I don't think you've ever de-bunked at all. It's still there, it's still solid. /shrug

 

[Elmage G Ace]

I didn't get much time to make proper posts this phase, but i'm gonna go with

Vote Lynch : Imperfection.

reason? Ansa is 95% scum. take my word for it. and since imp subbed in for him. i'll still go for it.

now this post would put me in a very bad position but. I'll boldly go with it. I'll back during eod. but my classes are still going on so.

It makes sense actually, the only reason I didn't look into him is Ansa subbed out, so he may have been busy irl

 

[Elmage G Ace]

I've actually made a case that I don't think you've ever de-bunked at all. It's still there, it's still solid. /shrug

Read my Wallie why I voted you

 

[Michelle]

First of all we don't know if Rej is scum, he played this way literally last game and he was town doctor, that doesn't mean he's town though, and he's in my sus list, but at the time TSQ voted him, he wasn't active meaning he wouldn't have a chance to present his case. Why didn't TSQ vote him earlier? So he can interact with Rej?

I never said scum can't be lynched in absence but be sure to a certain degree, Rej has been largely inactive yes, but inactivity isn't necessarily a metric for wolf

SK is inactive, Imperfect comes and goes, and I was largely inactive DP1, dragomir was inactive and he was town

If Rej is town, he's an easy lynch, you shouldn't go for easy lynches at EOD, when the player is offline.

I mean, I can start a wagon on Rej right now and he'll be lynched, it's too easy to do, and if he's the last scum remaining, it wouldn't even be an issue, that's why I'm not sure why we're over scrutinizing his posts, they aren't even much, and his DP 1 is mostly fluff, which is same for almost everyone in DP1

i don't know any alignament except mine.

"but inactivity isn't necessarily a metric for wolf" i voted him for a lot of reasons, inactivity is just the top of the iceberg

" I can start a wagon on Rej right now and he'll be lynched" i started it already

"you shouldn't go for easy lynches at EOD" i started a wagon when everyone is voting you, TSQ, Osie and Ansa's slot. Is not an easy lynch and btw, i go for scum not for an easy lynch.

without considering both sides

nope. I quoted in spoiler yours and his posts. I hope you can observe that

 

[Thestatusquo]

Just because you want, or think someone is scum doesn't mean the person is scum, towns usually show a degree of uncertainty when playing. Not him though

General statement that doesn't apply to me, Elmage knows how I play and that I'm cocky. He knows I have a hero complex. This is not a genuine analysis of my alignment, because I push people while faking confidence in order to make town follow me.

I've always had this issue, I did try to suppress it, but now that I am a better player overall and have better reads, the only way that you get townies to follow you when you're right is by throwing tons of shit at your scum read and telling everyone to vote them. It's the most effective way.

When I had no idea in the past, all I had to do was scream to get my read lynched, which is exactly what I'm doing here.

Of course I have some inner doubt, I actually have social anxiety and I always doubt myself, the fact that my posts appear like I'm not doesn't mean that I'm not doubting the read.

I fucking have doubts because I know town can suck and they do stupid stuff. I've witnessed a joat subbing in and tracking a 0-poster on NIGHT ONE. It came down to a counterclaim between that player and someone else who had perfect checks planned.

I always know town do stupid stuff, but because I first evaluate properly someone, I feign confidence with pushing the case until I get someone lynched.

 

[-PK-]

My vote on Elmage was pure sheeping TSQ because I wanted to put on Elmage more pressure and because i honestly think TSQ is villager. If he can post like this as wolf then good for him

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but until now i didn't feel this.
Also I waited to see how the wagons are changing during the day.

Tbh I am not willing yet to vote Osieorb while I have a scum read for Rej not resolved. I mean I started to be suspicious on Osieorb but my main scum read is Rej and I want to vote him.

I think the TSQ vs Elmage don't need to be resolved today, they may be both town fmpov

Vote lynch: Rej

After everything that is said and done in this phase you vote Rej out of all people? The guy ain't even here. He isn't bothered.
You just dropped from town reads michelle.

And I can't be the only that finds this move scummy.

 

[-PK-]

I didn't get much time to make proper posts this phase, but i'm gonna go with

Vote Lynch : Imperfection.

reason? Ansa is 95% scum. take my word for it. and since imp subbed in for him. i'll still go for it.

now this post would put me in a very bad position but. I'll boldly go with it. I'll back during eod. but my classes are still going on so.

Lmao this is just precious.

Why should we take your vote for it? Did you learn something or is this based on your gut feeling?

 

[Elmage G Ace]

But you didn't address my points @Michelle also, I wasn't referring to you when I said
"You should'nt go for easy lynches at EOD"

I was referring to TSQ EOD wagon last DP

 

[-PK-]

Lmao this is just precious.

Why should we take your vote for it? Did you learn something or is this based on your gut feeling?

word for it*****

 

[osieorb18]

What a crazy past 36-ish hours! I talked to Alice about this! Essentially my internet access was poor (read: I could barely even access the internet on a phone) at any time that I could have otherwise been free to play!

Still, I feel bad!

TSQ Read:

TSQ throughout Day 1 felt like he was actively engaging! From early on in his posts, he's trying to clarify the point of what other people are saying! I really liked his focus on Red even before I had developed a scumread on her! He's also not really tried to push me for gimmicking a bit, even though he knows of me and may have played with me before on MU! He's showing depth to his reads that is not usually present in scum! He talks about having a bunch of homework, but then was still one of the most active players of Day 1! He's tried to keep people actively responding at times, and his thoughts on his scumreads feel particularly organic!

I've been hinging a lot on my read on Red, but as I mentioned, there's a lot of townreads which are supported further by that scumread being accurate!

I don't have great explanations for everyone! A lot of this is sorta weak sorting since I haven't been able to spend nearly as much time on it as I'd like! My tiers of reads (alphabetical within tier) are looking something like:

Elmage - I started with a scumlean on tone, then moved it to a townlean partly based on the Red scumlean, but now I like his sass! I think that he's stubbornly pushing through the game and it's a good look!
Michelle - Actively sorting! I may have a bit of a blind-spot here but Michelle feels so pure!
Poison - Very active, high effort, very organic! Low probability she's ever scum!
TSQ - See above! Organic, high-effort! I like him a lot!

SoulKiller - I feel like I've had SoulKiller at a townread with reservations the whole game and I don't entirely like that! But I'm also paranoid since I've seen reason to believe that he's a strong player! I think he's sharing the townleans with Tigerrr for now!
Tigerrr - Tigerrr is a bit self-conscious which pings me as scummy! I don't like their use of the time that they have; several of their posts seem to be kinda wasting time! Not a hard read yet since they don't necessarily fit in as many worlds, but I'm certainly a bit worried here!

aa-dono - I have a scumping here that I can't talk about, but also she's tending towards fluffy, low-content, low-activity, and fits in well as a teammate with Red! I feel like she's trying to not make waves, which is usually a bad sign! Her activity in the past hundred or so posts is much better than previously in the thread, which might mean that other pings are not as significant, but I'm still very worried about this slot!
Ansatsuken/Imperfection - I was initially very wary here, but I grew into disliking this slot a bit less after comparing them! Their reads haven't been great, so I'd look back here in the later game!
-PK- - I really want to believe that the lynchproof would be on town! But I also really don't like their attitude at many a point, especially throughout Day 1 and early Day 2! I categorically don't want to see this slot in LyLO!

Hammock - I don't really know how to sort them! I feel like they've been wishy-washy and low-activity! I definitely am not really getting any town pings, so I'm going to go with a scumread here for the time being!
Just_Red - I've talked a lot about my read on her already! She's not getting any less scummy as the day phase goes by!
Rej - I get nothing from this slot! The low activity in both day phases and particularly low contribution level even when present does not look good! I think some paranoia looks fake! Mindmelding with me is not the worst look, but that's not enough to make them look actively townie, without, well, being active!

I would vote for any of those bottom three, and I could be convinced on aa-dono or Imperfection, but I particularly want to see a lynch on Just_Red!

 

[Elmage G Ace]

General statement that doesn't apply to me, Elmage knows how I play and that I'm cocky. He knows I have a hero complex. This is not a genuine analysis of my alignment, because I push people while faking confidence in order to make town follow me.

I've always had this issue, I did try to suppress it, but now that I am a better player overall and have better reads, the only way that you get townies to follow you when you're right is by throwing tons of shit at your scum read and telling everyone to vote them. It's the most effective way.

When I had no idea in the past, all I had to do was scream to get my read lynched, which is exactly what I'm doing here.

Of course I have some inner doubt, I actually have social anxiety and I always doubt myself, the fact that my posts appear like I'm not doesn't mean that I'm not doubting the read.

I fucking have doubts because I know town can suck and they do stupid stuff. I've witnessed a joat subbing in and tracking a 0-poster on NIGHT ONE. It came down to a counterclaim between that player and someone else who had perfect checks planned.

I always know town do stupid stuff, but because I first evaluate properly someone, I feign confidence with pushing the case until I get someone lynched.

You give me too much credit, we haven't played much games together, so I don't really know your playstyle, I was legit shocked when you imploded that last game lol!

 

[Michelle]

After everything that is said and done in this phase you vote Rej out of all people? The guy ain't even here. He isn't bothered.
You just dropped from town reads michelle.

And I can't be the only that finds this move scummy.

I am not sure about Osieorb, who btw is as active as Rej but you voted him..
I am town reading Elmage and TSQ and the only one I'd vote today would be Imperfection if Rej's wagon doesn't have traction.
Idk about Red, she looked like a stale wagon yesterday and idk anymore what to believe but i wouldn't lynch her.

the bolded - I don't play to please you, i play to find scum. If you town read Rej you can explain this to me and i am all ears.
Ah, and write my name with M..

 

[Thestatusquo]

TSQ is being all over the place again, and quite frankly i am not liking it, he changed his vote from rej to tiger to rej again.

@SoulKiller you're full of shit bro, come in thread right now and tell me how this is scum indicative for me at all. You should know better than a lot of other players, you played as scum against me and it's easier to tap into my mindset.

 

[osieorb18]

I'll try to be awake and around until EoD if anyone has questions for me and to poke about a bit! I'm pretty comfortable with my reads despite some of them being based on a bit less in-depth dives than I might like! I'm going to reread my leans before anything else!

 

[-PK-]

I am not sure about Osieorb, who btw is as active as Rej but you voted him..
I am town reading Elmage and TSQ and the only one I'd vote today would be Imperfection if Rej's wagon doesn't have traction.
Idk about Red, she looked like a stale wagon yesterday and idk anymore what to believe but i wouldn't lynch her.

the bolded - I don't play to please you, i play to find scum. If you town read Rej you can explain this to me and i am all ears.
Ah, and write my name with M..

Rej has the exact same playstyle as he did last phase and he turned out to be town.
For the time you were alive in that game you were fixated on Rej and it led nowhere. S
It's the same situation right now.

 

[Thestatusquo]

"without removing an inch of scum read from him" that made me crack up rofl.



I am sorry what? this is just speculation from your part. Why wouldn't he meme with gifs the whole game? he had lynch immunity. Nothing could touch him, regardless of his alignment being mafia or townie i can see PK doing that shit from either alignment.

Because a town realises that they don't need to do shit and DON'T THINK / EVEN REALISE that the next day they are going to incriminate themselves BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT A SINGLE THING

Scum on the other hand will try hard and thank God for having a vest that saves them at EoD.

There's a difference in mentality.

 

[osieorb18]

I am not sure about Osieorb, who btw is as active as Rej but you voted him..

Excuse me?! Even if I've been away from the thread, this doesn't really match the quality of my posts! Rej was also quite low-content when present!

 

[Thestatusquo]

Those are some bold accusation and if he is? then what? are ya willing to put your life in the line for this?

If he is then I die anyway because I'm about to explode again. I don't know what this is even supposed to meant, why should I be worried if he is town?

I guess I look bad and I'll feel worse about myself but that's about it, game moves on.