[Game] KINGDOM [ 킹덤 ] MAFIA GAME #25

[Michelle]

Why is everyone so scummy??

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

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I think at this point MAfia is dragging things.
They might wanna come and vote someone out in the last minutes? or try to convince town that an innocent is wolf.

SK I am starting to have a doubt on him. first he said that in DP1 there sure is a mafia in the waggon that wanted to lynch REJ( the ones who voted where Michelle, TSQ and PK) but then he goes to vote lynch RED?

It's been 24hrs, and I still haven't got a reply from @Michelle or @Thestatusquo you can take your time, just remember to do so

I was testing your patience, I like you have it

I am at page 23 and your first real game related thing are the reads from post 431, i linked it in a previous post and i want to check progression.

Please if you can Michelle hurry....?
Could you please make reads for everyone in one post so I can see them clearly? ( like I did at your request)

Am I reaching or does anyone feel like TSQ and Michelle are working together?
They both had identical readings, never has gone against each other.
Has very similar votings, from DP1 to now as well, fixated on Elmage
Don't think they would be doing that if they were a town, they would at least suspect each other for a brief moment.
Might be a coincidence I dunno.
just something I noticed lmao.
Those two a scummy lean for me

^ that's why I was sussing Michelle but maybe we both think too much? or not who knows

I like you take the smallest possible post i probably have in this game to be nitpicky, and try to take a read from it from a thing that is not alignament indicative...
i have a problem about lack of respect in mafia. Calling wolves fools is such thing, no matter who they are.
I don't think the coky thing is a bad trait, without cokyness they can't win. Saying that wolves are coky in they ability to win is a useless thing to say imo.
I wanted elaboration for Red's thoughts not for the night kill reasons.
My aim was to understand her.
In spoiler are quoted few posts including Red's.
You can see how many oppinion are there and in fact I didn't say my own, so the idea i wanted to elaborate for NKA it's not true.
What is worrisome is that Elmage considers Drago's kill a good tactic. I dislike that post.

Spoiler

SO just because Emage said kiling Drgo will be a good tactic that leans him wolf?
Would a wolf say that outloud? it's not a strong argument for voting and keeping your vote on him.

Tigerr plays now his second game, he was villager in december 2018/january 2019 amd didn't play since that game. Back then we all were at our first or second game except the winner of that game who is a skilled player.
Tigerr was projecting town pretty well in that game, and i remember it because that game made me addictive to mafia.

So no one can answer at the question of Tigerr may be a good scum.[/USER]
Thank you for the confidence.


@aa-dono
I see you don't talk about the only player you really know, what do you think about Osieorb?
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[QUOTE="aa-dono, post: 22003245, member: 267174"]
[B]Vote Lynch: [USER=68527][B]Elmage G Ace[/B][/B]

Voting here for now because I don't think TSQ or Just_Red is scum.

Like how did you end up voting Emage when he made such a good post to prove his point against TSQ?

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

Like what happened to my post?(It's forbidden to edit so I will post again the correct version:

HELLO
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I think at this point MAfia is dragging things.
They might wanna come and vote someone out in the last minutes? or try to convince town that an innocent is wolf.

SK I am starting to have a doubt on him. first he said that in DP1 there sure is a mafia in the waggon that wanted to lynch REJ( the ones who voted where Michelle, TSQ and PK) but then he goes to vote lynch RED?

It's been 24hrs, and I still haven't got a reply from @Michelle or @Thestatusquo you can take your time, just remember to do so

I was testing your patience, I like you have it

I am at page 23 and your first real game related thing are the reads from post 431, i linked it in a previous post and i want to check progression.

Please if you can Michelle hurry....?
Could you please make reads for everyone in one post so I can see them clearly? ( like I did at your request)

Am I reaching or does anyone feel like TSQ and Michelle are working together?
They both had identical readings, never has gone against each other.
Has very similar votings, from DP1 to now as well, fixated on Elmage
Don't think they would be doing that if they were a town, they would at least suspect each other for a brief moment.
Might be a coincidence I dunno.
just something I noticed lmao.
Those two a scummy lean for me

^ that's why I was sussing Michelle but maybe we both think too much? or not who knows

I like you take the smallest possible post i probably have in this game to be nitpicky, and try to take a read from it from a thing that is not alignament indicative...
i have a problem about lack of respect in mafia. Calling wolves fools is such thing, no matter who they are.
I don't think the coky thing is a bad trait, without cokyness they can't win. Saying that wolves are coky in they ability to win is a useless thing to say imo.
I wanted elaboration for Red's thoughts not for the night kill reasons.
My aim was to understand her.
In spoiler are quoted few posts including Red's.
You can see how many oppinion are there and in fact I didn't say my own, so the idea i wanted to elaborate for NKA it's not true.
What is worrisome is that Elmage considers Drago's kill a good tactic. I dislike that post.

SO just because Emage said kiling Drgo will be a good tactic that leans him wolf?
Would a wolf say that outloud? it's not a strong argument for voting and keeping your vote on him.

Tigerr plays now his second game, he was villager in december 2018/january 2019 amd didn't play since that game. Back then we all were at our first or second game except the winner of that game who is a skilled player.
Tigerr was projecting town pretty well in that game, and i remember it because that game made me addictive to mafia.

So no one can answer at the question of Tigerr may be a good scum.

Thank you for the confidence.


@aa-dono
I see you don't talk about the only player you really know, what do you think about Osieorb?
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[QUOTE="aa-dono, post: 22003245, member: 267174"]
[B]Vote Lynch: [USER=68527][B]Elmage G Ace[/B][/B]

Voting here for now because I don't think TSQ or Just_Red is scum.
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Like how did you end up voting Emage when he made such a good post to prove his point against TSQ?

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

I don't know what happened here guys, maybe I had too many qoutes or smth. I will be more careful and preview my posts from now on so there aren't any technical mistakes.

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

6 HOURS LEFT This is becoming very dangerous for town

IT is very weird to me that Elmage is having so many votes right now even though he was super active and explaining his point to everyone.
Yet aa-dono still votes for him? while TSQ who disappeared to do his homework isn't as much of a suspect?

I urge town to look very carefully into all the wagons that are forming here. It looks to me like they are trying to save TSQ.
&Look at the vote against TSQ by all means.
You will see I have solid reasons to doubt this guys intentions.

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

@Alice in Noodleland (would it be possible to fix the mess I made with my posts? I had to repost the same thing just because of this technical mess-qoutes and spoilers got messed and mixed up)
Also please when you can, post again the votes tally and the countdown pls pls?

 

[Michelle]

@Alice in Noodleland (would it be possible to fix the mess I made with my posts? I had to repost the same thing just because of this technical mess-qoutes and spoilers got messed and mixed up)
Also please when you can, post again the votes tally and the countdown pls pls?

Relax who wants to read your post will read it. And who don't understand will ask.

My Sod 2 reread will start now, sorry if i am late Tigerr, but i can't stay only on phone all day.

I will explain my vote on Elmage too.

 

[Michelle]

Like how did you end up voting Emage when he made such a good post to prove his point against TSQ?

How do you know who's right? TSQ point is valid too.

I urge town to look very carefully into all the wagons that are forming here. It looks to me like they are trying to save TSQ.
&Look at the vote against TSQ by all means.
You will see I have solid reasons to doubt this guys intentions.

I coloured the main ideas because i don't get your logic, take it easy and explain it, we still have time.

My question also is how you interpret TSQs intentions by looking at the wagons?

 

[-PK-]

Some Eod posts, spoilered for mobile users

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@-PK- do you still scum read Ansa's slot?
Noted PKs intetion to make the other think at a whole different wagon. If he is scum with lynch immunity, would he do this?

@osieorb18 what time is it at you when is Eod here?

i can understand the wish to avoid the lynch for a town read.

that made me check the old game, PK was town back then.

Tiger' s post was the kind of odd pop in, i can get this vote. That means TSQ don't just wanted any lynch, he wanted to lynch scum imo.


i like this post

At the moment of my vote TSQ was voting Tiger so i am the first on Rej's Eod wagon. I was followed by TSQ and PK and that's why i wanted oppinions about Rej at Sod.



trying a scum team and being alive is also Wifom, doesn't mean he wasn't maybe right in this post




This post after end of votes has a lack of TMI for Rej's slot, i think if PK was mafia the wording would be different no matter Rej's alignament.

To keep in mind, last day 1 vote count, Rej is saved by RNG.

i guess Tiger didn't have any vote at Eod though but Ansa had a vote but i didn't correct this.. but i noted the wagon's composition.

I can't say.. Ansa didn't contribute much in the first phase and Imperfection only just got here in his place. It's always tricky when someone else subs in.
If you vote is still on Elmage would you consider changing your vote to Osie?

Coz I feel like we can give Elmage a pass for this phase even if you think he is scum. Osie is scummy as well with his posts but think of this if between the two, you had to pick someone as bigger loss to town, I think Elmage would the answer.

 

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[Michelle]

Spoiler

Sod posts i picked up:

Okay before anything else, @Ansatsuken is likely to be scum. I'll bet a 85% - 90% chances on that. I'll get to that but I missed the last two pages imma read those

I feel the same. @Poison chan what do you think reading Imperfection's posts?

I find you very hedg-y and not having a natural progression and now you're talking to me like I'm flipped town

"I doubt your mafia skills". I'm so over this, this is not a valid argument, stop appealing to emotion, I'm only going to tunnel you further by calling me bad

this is not scum TSQ from what i know.

There you go, misinterpreting comments, I gave a reason why I voted PK, I'm not replying to you as town, you should be able to see what I'm doing irrespective of any alignment, except you don't want to...

maybe this is town vs town? idk..

LMAO.

Why would mafia kill an inactive!??

Simple. These fools are cocky in their ability to win.

@Just_Red's first post in the day is going to the NK directly but not on the no lynch who was the hot topic. Idk what to do with this attitude.

Just Red, PK - top wagons throughout the day

Elmage : Slight scum leans on both of them but not sure

Also Elmage : vote thestatusquo, why are you misinterpreting people's pushes

while not having any opinion on Red at all and I've completely refuted his argument

this progression makes no sense, he didn't sort any of PK and Red further and focused on his TOP TOWN

Perhaps if you were paying attention to new information, you'd know my stand on Red, I don't think she's mafia, and I Stated it last DP. Seriously man!

VoteLynch @Thestatusquo

Elmage was voting by impulse, his explanations wall came after the vote.in P#795.

That still doesn't explain your progression on PK, but good job reaching for low hanging fruit

how about explaining why you didn't give two craps about PK for the entire phase of yesterday and vote him today based on some mechanic?

Really? That's your reply? So I'm scum because the post I quoted doesn't mention PK? But I understand what I'm saying right?

Again, it seems you only read what you want to read, possible TMI, I gave my thoughts on the game, and I mentioned what I thought of PK's game, I voted him this DP to see the reaction of other players, I hope you can read it this time.

If you don't have any other valid argument, I'm going to ignore you

THE LAST PHASE YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT PK GAINING STEAM OR SORTING HIS ALIGNMENT, WHEN YOU HAD SLIGHT SUSPICION ON HIM

STOP AVOIDING IT AND CHOOSING TO FIGHT WHATEVER ARGUMENT OF MINE MAKES YOU LOOK BETTER

ADDRESS WHY YOU DIDN'T SORT PK YESTERDAY AND INSTEAD CHOSE TO SHADE YOUR TOP TOWN AND VOTE HIM, WHEN YOU KNEW I WASN'T GETTING LYNCHED

No, because they are alien to other players here and their meta. They probably don't know who to get rid off first here in this site.

I was just giving an example. I'm pretty sure if I was mafia I'd kill more influential players.

Maybe I forgot about your shift on Red, who cares, I forget stuff, but this shit is facts and you not giving an explanation for it is scummy as shit

Town's getting no where. We all are scattered basically. TSQ and Elmage voting each other ain't a good sight to look at tbh.

First, his list was a whole bunch of nothing. He slow rolls into the game, I got it, but that list says literally nothing. All of the reads were made in a wolf hedge way. Like, Red made this scummy thing, but... PK made this scummy thing, but...

It's stating nothing. It's information instead of analysis and it's easy to catch players like Elmage based off of because he's an analytical player to begin with. New wolves make this mistake.

On top of that, PK was a slight scum lean for him and then didn't care to sort his role at all at EoD, especially when he was a top wagon. He didn't ask him any questions, instead he 180s on his top town for some milked out reasoning that I've refuted long before he even entered the game.

Moreover, his entrance this phase is absolutely horrific. Instead of addressing me, ergo, his "top wolf read" he votes PK on some asinine mechanical reasoning and not even sorting him to see whether he's likelier to be town or wolf, just solely bandwagons on the idea "PK must be scum for surviving the lynch" which is just not true, there are town roles that survived lynches in the past.

That point of view is unreasonably shallow and there is NONE OF HIS PERSONAL READ OF PK THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT THE POSSIBILITY OF HIM BEING MAFIA OVER A TOWN ROLE.

HE ONLY PUSHED SURFACE LEVEL STUFF THE WHOLE GAME.

It's funny how you seem to trust TSQ, almost without even considering that he may be scum, when I first voted TSQ in DP one, your reply was 'No' basically, when I was just trying to pressure him. Did you even read our interactions? I basically answered all his questions, but I don't know if there's a language barrier there, I started ignoring him because I can't keep repeating myself, but you're trusting his 'Analysis' what analysis? He just seems to be looking for something that is non existent. Re read the interactions if you need to please, don't disappoint me, we've also been playing this game a while now

Just because you want, or think someone is scum doesn't mean the person is scum, towns usually show a degree of uncertainty when playing. Not him though

I am affraid this situation may very well be town/town so until i have more infos

Unvote

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

How do you know who's right? TSQ point is valid too.

I coloured the main ideas because i don't get your logic, take it easy and explain it, we still have time.

My question also is how you interpret TSQs intentions by looking at the wagons?

Ok yeah I need to relax a bit xD.

TSQ: Like I said before his DP1 felt relly strange to me. I guess you read my posts so you know why I felt like that.
I may not be good at explaining myself but I will try again.
DP1: TSQ
-threw dirt on so many people;
-voted like 4 times
-created a obvious wagon last minute
- claimed smth like he is easily town[but not in an obvious way like Rej] but trying to use SK's read as reference, if I remember right.
-claimed that Elmage is never town [How can you say this if you are town?] You are either not taking this serious or you are scumming in our faces
-that link joke he posted which most would shrug as just a bad joke, looked to me as a mischievous behavior.


My assumption of TSQ being a mafia was formed based on his DP1 behavior and then early DP2[ implying Elmage had a bad entrance in dp2 felt ridiculous and instigating- I saw it as him trying to incite people to go against Elmage.]
SO
My read for the DP2 starts from the assumption that TSQ is mafia. Once I had that assumption set then I can interpret the actions of other possible mafia.

This assumption is still valid since TSQ did not reply as of yet.

If my assumption is wrong then please anyone explain me why, cause TSQ is not here yet.
His playstyle is not a strong argument in my opinion.
Or the "TSQ is town AF" is not a strong argument either XD

If I am wrong then go ahead and suss me, but this is my clear read.
If I am right then its' natural for Mafia to try and save TSQ.[This is where I referred to the wagons/votes of today] I am not familiar with tactics but how else to do this either than
1. vote lynch for someone else as you mafia yourself
2. bring townies aboard
3. discredit the ones who voted for TSQ
If TSQ is not lynched today then it cannot be confirmed if he is mafia or not.
Therefore the next day the townies who voted him and survived will be grilled and sussed and made to doubt eachother from any angle, destroying any town core that could form.

I can't say.. Ansa didn't contribute much in the first phase and Imperfection only just got here in his place. It's always tricky when someone else subs in.
If you vote is still on Elmage would you consider changing your vote to Osie?

Coz I feel like we can give Elmage a pass for this phase even if you think he is scum. Osie is scummy as well with his posts but think of this if between the two, you had to pick someone as bigger loss to town, I think Elmage would the answer.

I agree with you on this PK

 

[aa-dono]

@Italic: don't expect me to write a long post about what is good about the three post I highlighted, if you don't think it is, that's your opinion, I'm tired of repeating myself, I'd rather spend the energy going through posts

@bold: That's not a valid reason tbh, what's your reason for finding me scummy in the first place. I'm not bothered about pressure to be honest, and my general playstyle is usually viewed as scummy, as such I'm an easy target, I'm going after each player who votes for me so that in the unlikely event I get lynched, no one can hide behind a stupid reason

If I can't expect you to explain what you like in the post, how do you expect me to read more into you? If you actually like it, you'd know why you like it and it's not hard to just state so. I don't see why you kept saying you're tired of repeating yourself when the other one person who asked this was Poison and you didn't respond.

That's a perfectly valid reason for me. I'm not going out of my way to defend those two, but I also wouldn't like to see them lynched before someone I find scummy, though since you read my previous post, you're only slightly scummy.

To answer the post after this regarding TSQ, I find your arguments fair. I'm not avoiding it, but who do you mean by too? Michelle and TSQ himself?
Anyway, it's just that I concluded TSQ is more believable than you.

 

[aa-dono]

TSQ: Like I said before his DP1 felt relly strange to me. I guess you read my posts so you know why I felt like that.
I may not be good at explaining myself but I will try again.
DP1: TSQ
-threw dirt on so many people;
-voted like 4 times
-created a obvious wagon last minute
- claimed smth like he is easily town[but not in an obvious way like Rej] but trying to use SK's read as reference, if I remember right.
-claimed that Elmage is never town [How can you say this if you are town?] You are either not taking this serious or you are scumming in our faces
-that link joke he posted which most would shrug as just a bad joke, looked to me as a mischievous behavior.

I missed the part where he threw dirt on so many people.

Could you explain why the bolded is scummy? Also how is mischievous behaviour scummy too?

 

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DP2 VOTE TALLY V.3

@Elmage G Ace - PK - UNVOTE- THE STATUSQUO
@Hammock -PK- UNVOTE
@Thestatusquo -ElMAGE G ACE
@Just_Red -HAMMOCK TIGERR IN THE WOODS THESTATUSQUO
@Michelle -ELMAGE G ACE UNVOTE
@Tigerrr in the woods -THESTATUSQUO
@osieorb18 -JUST_RED
@SoulKiller -JUST_RED
@Rej -JUST_RED
@Imperfection - OSIEORB18
@aa-dono - ELMAGE G. ACE
@-PK- -OSIEORB18

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ELMAGE G ACE and OSIEORB18 2 votes
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[aa-dono]

Vote Lynch: [B]Elmage G Ace[/B]

Voting here for now because I don't think TSQ or Just_Red is scum.

Like how did you end up voting Emage when he made such a good post to prove his point against TSQ?

While I think it's a fair post, I don't think it's such a good post. I don't like his interaction with me.

 

[aa-dono]

Strange, I thought the extension means I can be here for EoD. But the new timer shows that it's at the time I'm asleep.

@Alice in Noodleland Is the timer right?

 

[Michelle]

My vote on Elmage was pure sheeping TSQ because I wanted to put on Elmage more pressure and because i honestly think TSQ is villager. If he can post like this as wolf then good for him

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but until now i didn't feel this.
Also I waited to see how the wagons are changing during the day.

Tbh I am not willing yet to vote Osieorb while I have a scum read for Rej not resolved. I mean I started to be suspicious on Osieorb but my main scum read is Rej and I want to vote him.

I think the TSQ vs Elmage don't need to be resolved today, they may be both town fmpov

Vote lynch: Rej

 

[Alice in Noodleland]

Strange, I thought the extension means I can be here for EoD. But the new timer shows that it's at the time I'm asleep.

@Alice in Noodleland Is the timer right?

Yes .. Something came up. I need an extra hour for this EOD. Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

[aa-dono]

Ah, I thought it was +7 more hours. I see. Thanks for clarifying @Alice in Noodleland

Looks like I will be missing EoD again.