[Game] KINGDOM [ 킹덤 ] MAFIA GAME #25

[Elmage G Ace]

so how the **** are you generating proper sus on someone if you don't even know who's or what's townish in this game? answer my question, who are your town reads yet, gimme two solid townreads atleast

cmon you can do better fam, if you tryna pull out meta reads, do it for both, for town and scum, but mostly town due to the ratios, or else it makes you look bad, like right now lmao
bad meta reads can cause backdrawing discussions and make those who steer it look scummy even when town

I know what you mean, I was refering to the two first lines where you said the interaction is scary and that your two townreads are TSQ and Michelle
I tried to dig myself into Poison, if she is scummy, doesn't mean she is scum actually, she could just be a town with bad early game. That's why I pushed her and pointed out her flaws.
Except that I had the same thoughts as you while reading that page and the previous one.


read my fucking posts, I already hinted to it, Michelle and ted are townreads, but will give more later on

Vote lynch @Just_Red

jus get her lynched already and get her scum partner @aa-dono into the lynch pool


I am at page 13 will catch up more, I am multitabbing and need to catch up in another game too

@aa-dono I liked these posts from him. However he hasn't done much fo me to clear him, and I was mostly busy with TSQ this DP.

 

[Michelle]

@aa-dono I liked these posts from him. However he hasn't done much fo me to clear him, and I was mostly busy with TSQ this DP.

Do yoi think wolf!Rej cannot write this kind of posts?
What do you think about my read on Rej?

 

[aa-dono]

Post #677 by TSQ made me further think he's town.

Something pings me wrong about Michelle's #680. This is probably nitpicking, but the choice of question "why do you think they're fools" feels wrong. Because calling them fools is not the main thing there but more like it was the "cocky in their ability to win" and yet this was not the question.
Even if they were, @Michelle was the one who claimed NKA is wifomy, so why want further elaboration here?

I'm not a fan of Just_Red's #682 because it's shading SK. But it's openly shady, so it doesn't feel like it comes from mafia.

 

[Michelle]

Q2 answer: This is the second ever mafia game I play.
Q1 answer: I will exercise my imagination. If he is not scum then I got tricked really bad by mafia. If he is lynched at the end of this DP and he ends up innocent, then I don;t mind you all killing me. though you would waste the lynch.



Also thank you for explaining 8D, found the signature thingy.

Ok, thanks for this answer.
@ everyone for me Tiger is villager for the bolded part of this post.

Am I reaching or does anyone feel like TSQ and Michelle are working together?
They both had identical readings, never has gone against each other.
Has very similar votings, from DP1 to now as well, fixated on Elmage
Don't think they would be doing that if they were a town, they would at least suspect each other for a brief moment.
Might be a coincidence I dunno.
just something I noticed lmao.
Those two a scummy lean for me

Yes you are reaching. Wether he is really villager like i read him or not, linking 2 players and focusing on them is not good because you loose the view over the whole game if you are villager.

 

[aa-dono]

Is Tigerr a good scum? Or good town?
Because otherwise, I think he's town.

 

[Michelle]

Post #677 by TSQ made me further think he's town.

Something pings me wrong about Michelle's #680. This is probably nitpicking, but the choice of question "why do you think they're fools" feels wrong. Because calling them fools is not the main thing there but more like it was the "cocky in their ability to win" and yet this was not the question.
Even if they were, @Michelle was the one who claimed NKA is wifomy, so why want further elaboration here?

I'm not a fan of Just_Red's #682 because it's shading SK. But it's openly shady, so it doesn't feel like it comes from mafia.

I like you take the smallest possible post i probably have in this game to be nitpicky, and try to take a read from it from a thing that is not alignament indicative...
i have a problem about lack of respect in mafia. Calling wolves fools is such thing, no matter who they are.
I don't think the coky thing is a bad trait, without cokyness they can't win. Saying that wolves are coky in they ability to win is a useless thing to say imo.
I wanted elaboration for Red's thoughts not for the night kill reasons.
My aim was to understand her.
In spoiler are quoted few posts including Red's.
You can see how many oppinion are there and in fact I didn't say my own, so the idea i wanted to elaborate for NKA it's not true.
What is worrisome is that Elmage considers Drago's kill a good tactic. I dislike that post.

Spoiler

LMAO.

Why would mafia kill an inactive!??

Simple. These fools are cocky in their ability to win.

Actually, mafia killing dragomir is not necessarily a bad tactic, town are down a member, and we don't have any new info, because he wasn't active, so we didn't learn much from his death, aside the fact that he's town

Tell me.

If you were mafia, would kill off the inactive players that pose no threat to you, or someone like Sk, TSQ or even players that are hard pushed to get lynched?

It depends on so many things that like i said, speculating over the night kill is wifom = a train of thoughts who can mislead you.

 

[Michelle]

Is Tigerr a good scum? Or good town?
Because otherwise, I think he's town.

Tigerr plays now his second game, he was villager in december 2018/january 2019 amd didn't play since that game. Back then we all were at our first or second game except the winner of that game who is a skilled player.
Tigerr was projecting town pretty well in that game, and i remember it because that game made me addictive to mafia.

So no one can answer at the question of Tigerr may be a good scum.


@aa-dono
I see you don't talk about the only player you really know, what do you think about Osieorb?

 

[aa-dono]

It's not a post per se, more of her playstyle, she's usually aggressive, however I think it's NAI because I've played in games with her as either alignment, and she has shown she can be aggressive as both

If you feel that it's NAI, why did you point it out?

 

[Michelle]

Anyway good morning, back to read until work will strike ^^

 

[aa-dono]

@aa-dono I liked these posts from him. However he hasn't done much fo me to clear him, and I was mostly busy with TSQ this DP.

Could you elaborate what about the 3 posts do you like? Or is it just the vibe?

 

[aa-dono]

Tigerr plays now his second game, he was villager in december 2018/january 2019 amd didn't play since that game. Back then we all were at our first or second game except the winner of that game who is a skilled player.
Tigerr was projecting town pretty well in that game, and i remember it because that game made me addictive to mafia.

So no one can answer at the question of Tigerr may be a good scum.


@aa-dono
I see you don't talk about the only player you really know, what do you think about Osieorb?

I see. Thanks for the explanation. For now, I think Tigerr is town then.

That's a good catch. It's partly because I want to keep playing with him that I don't want to suspect him at all. Partly because I don't exactly have anything I wanted to ask him. Also because if I go by gut, everything he posted seems suspicious.

He seems to be set on a Just_Red tunnel and sees everything as scummy. I can see the latter in town!Osie mindset because I watch him identify everything as scummy as town, but I don't remember if he tunnels-only, as town. It feels like he's wasting the Day phase. I think he's a better player than that, but don't count on me for his meta. My memory is bad + I don't really play with Osie much, he just knows my meta probably because I played in games he hosted.
I also see Just_Red as townish (though personally don't care if she gets lynched because this slot's posts is difficult to digest) so that's one point I disagree with Osie.

I like his pushes and questions to others though.

If I have to put him in category, I'd place him in scum-lean.

 

[aa-dono]

Vote Lynch: [B]Elmage G Ace[/B]

Voting here for now because I don't think TSQ or Just_Red is scum.

 

[aa-dono]

Vote Lynch: [B]Elmage G Ace[/B]

EBWOP

Vote Lynch: Elmage G Ace

 

[aa-dono]

Where I stand right now:
Elmage - slightly scummish
Hammock - no opinion
TSQ - probably town
Just_Red - probably town
Michelle - slightly scummish
Tigerr - town
Osie - scumlean
SoulKiller - no opinion
Rej - nothing other than that scummish vibe from D1.
Imperfection - Not sure, I think he's scum from last phase, but I like this push on osie.

(sorry for double posting on this site - if that's a serious no-no, I'll try to put all my post in one next time)

 

[Michelle]

We have 2 top wagons:

@osieorb18 -JUST_RED
@SoulKiller -JUST_RED
@Rej -JUST_RED

The wagon on Red is formed by
- Osieorb, i town read him but his activity is so low and the focus on Red is nagl
- SK who is not concentrated on the game
- Rej who is my scum read.
I don't like this wagon, i doubt Red is scum and at least one scum is here in Osieorb/SK/Rej.

@Elmage G Ace - PK - UNVOTE- THE STATUSQUO
@Just_Red -HAMMOCK TIGERR IN THE WOODS THESTATUSQUO
@Tigerrr in the woods -THESTATUSQUO

In TSQs wagon i didn't like the vote from Elmage, he took his time for that wall just after TSQ voted for him. Otherwise he was too busy to really look into TSQ.
Red i know her votes can be bad and i facepalmed from DVC several times so i can only shrug at that vote, Tigerr can be a wrong villager as well.

@Thestatusquo -ElMAGE G ACE
@Michelle -ELMAGE G ACE

Here is what Hammock sees as me making a team with TSQ.
It's not bad to make a team with your town read from my pov, and if you scum read us where is your vote Hammock?

@Hammock -PK- UNVOTE

I doubt the 2 top wagons are lynching a wolf. I have to see what is happening with Elmage who Aa just tied with the other 2. Now going to reread for sure.

 

[Michelle]

Where I stand right now:
Elmage - slightly scummish
Hammock - no opinion
TSQ - probably town
Just_Red - probably town
Michelle - slightly scummish
Tigerr - town
Osie - scumlean
SoulKiller - no opinion
Rej - nothing other than that scummish vibe from D1.
Imperfection - Not sure, I think he's scum from last phase, but I like this push on osie.

(sorry for double posting on this site - if that's a serious no-no, I'll try to put all my post in one next time)

It's no problem if you post no matter how many posts one after the other. Don't stress yourself with this and don't restrain from posting because of this

Even if these reads are not strong, i like Aa's approach today better than in day 1.

 

[Michelle]

I forgot that I need to cook today!



After dinner, I guess! The core of it is that he seemed to be genuinely reacting without malice throughout Day 1!

I hope you finished cooking by now, come play please

 

[Michelle]

TSQ, you never played with town poison how can you think I actually don't make awkward jokes as a town? You played with me as a scum buddy, and you know I'm actually clumsy as wolf, even till date I played only one scum game without subbing out, that too I was really passive. By passive I mean I was like aadono in this game.

Downgrading your own play is a bad defence Poison.

Ansatsuken
SoulKiller

I seriously don't know how those two name became red. Phone bug maybe.

i would laugh a week if the scum team is Poison-Ansa-SK

I will comment about Elmage's reads in other post, i want to compare with further posts.
On page 21 my main concern is Rej's post and his reaction for TSQ's question:

@Rej, give your g2h lean on me right now.

why are you asking this? are you looking for a proof here? I was leaning town until you brought up this questionable demand lmao

I don't see how town can change oppinion at whim based on so shallow reason.
the forced joy of the lmao is creeping me out.

also i see this post below contains a promise who remains unfulfilled, but maybe i took it wrong like Osieorb will be really active this game from that moment.

@Poison chan You are wonderful and you are convincing me to deep dive into this game with an electron microscope! I was going to coast regardless of alignment, but I don't feel like that is right!

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Do yoi think wolf!Rej cannot write this kind of posts?
What do you think about my read on Rej?

Cannot is a strong word, I'm concerned about the reason behind it, it seemed to come from a town stand point, I haven't read his recent posts, however it's easier for him to just use those as a reason to pressure her, something a scum would probably do

 

[Elmage G Ace]

I like you take the smallest possible post i probably have in this game to be nitpicky, and try to take a read from it from a thing that is not alignament indicative...
i have a problem about lack of respect in mafia. Calling wolves fools is such thing, no matter who they are.
I don't think the coky thing is a bad trait, without cokyness they can't win. Saying that wolves are coky in they ability to win is a useless thing to say imo.
I wanted elaboration for Red's thoughts not for the night kill reasons.
My aim was to understand her.
In spoiler are quoted few posts including Red's.
You can see how many oppinion are there and in fact I didn't say my own, so the idea i wanted to elaborate for NKA it's not true.

What is worrisome is that Elmage considers Drago's kill a good tactic. I dislike that post.

Statements like this creates unnecessary mistrust, and I'm beginning to doubt yo u tbh, you should have some to me and clear it up with me, instead of this statement, and in context of what I was saying, I still think from a mafia standpoint, meaning, for mafia players, killing Drago wasn't a bad plan, we didn't lynch an player, and a town who hasn't contributed died, no new information. I seriously no hate repeating myself