[Game] KINGDOM [ 킹덤 ] MAFIA GAME #25

[osieorb18]

@Thestatusquo: By the way, a Just_Red scum flip TMI's about half the playerbase as town!

@Thestatusquo: (This includes Elmage!)

 

[Alice in Noodleland]

DP2 VOTE TALLY V.1

@Elmage G Ace - PK - UNVOTE- THE STATUSQUO
@Hammock -PK- UNVOTE
@Thestatusquo -ElMAGE G ACE
@Just_Red -HAMMOCK
@Michelle -ELMAGE G ACE
@Tigerrr in the woods -THESTATUSQUO
@osieorb18 -JUST_RED
@SoulKiller -JUST_RED

v1. THESTATUSQUO, ELMAGE G. ACE AND JUST RED received 2 votes each
HAMMOCK 1 vote
Please notify the host [@Alice in Noodleland] for any vote count mistakes and discrepancies.

 

[Just_Red]

I gave a whole ISO on you for Day 1!

Today you came in with horrific WIFOM that is likely scum-intentioned! (NKA is NAI, but NK WIFOM is scummy!)

You then pushed on SK based on reasoning for NK that was already clearly WIFOM! This looks like you were trying to frame SK!

You followed that up with more wine[url], and some degree of LAMIST and a tinge of OGI!
You then [url=https://animebase.me/threads/kingdom-%ED%82%B9%EB%8D%A4-mafia-game-25.774761/post-22002651]make an even-more-OGI suggestion that poison is reading based on familiarity rather than actual thoughts!

Don't look at my posts in depth! They're just LAMIST!

You flip-flop on poison more than a pufferfish out-of-water!

You TMI PK as town while sheeping their read on Hammock seemingly for an easy mislynch!

You dismiss TSQ's read off-hand without going into details while asking for details!

No reads yet! (Another contradiction since you've been expressing reads all game!)

Asking for more detail while also being generally dismissive of anything I say through an attack on my character!

One of the most bizarre, unhelpful, lacking-in-detail, busy-work-esque posts I've ever seen in 3 years of mafia and a decade of forum gaming! And this isn't hyperbole!

Self-focused continuation of the previous post!

Reiterating someone else's post to look like you're saying more than you actually are!

Then why not post it with your reads?! Also, a contradiction in itself because you say that you have reads and don't have reads in the same post!

WIFOM-heavy, low-detail, fence-sitty POE on half the players disguised as a readlist again seemingly posted to look like you're doing more work than you're actually doing!

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Wow, I could do this all day!

She's so damn scummy!

@Thestatusquo @Michelle @Ansatsuken @Hammock @aa-dono @Tigerrr in the woods @-PK- @Elmage G Ace @Rej @Poison chan @SoulKiller

I dont think I can convince you. You seem very set on my scummyness. Most of the points you provided seem very objective. And using huge abbreviation looses me. Good to know you feel that way about me.

If I get lynch (which is not gonna happen ) I dont want an excuse that "I was playing scummy anyway." Cause I'm not. But i can see in my magical glass ball that, that excuse will be used. :3

 

[osieorb18]

I dont think I can convince you. You seem very set on my scummyness. Most of the points you provided seem very objective. And using huge abbreviation looses me.

And a copout to continue to avoid doing work!

I'm guessing that you meant subjective rather than objective! Unless you want to say that my read on you is factual!

LAMIST - Look At Me, I'm So Townie!
OGI - Out-of-Game Information!
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me! WIFOM is usually equally open to interpretation in two opposite directions!
NK - Night Kill!
NKA - Night Kill Analysis!
NAI - Not Alignment Indicative!
TMI - Too Much Information! A scumslip in which an informed player reveals that they know the alignment of another player! Usually subtle but very common!
POE - Process of Elimination! A list of players which the poster would eliminate one-by-one via lynch or townreads to arrive at the scumteam!

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

Just because you want, or think someone is scum doesn't mean the person is scum, towns usually show a degree of uncertainty when playing. Not him though

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Alright, let's get this party going.

The kill on Drago is interesting, it's not necessarily bad since it reveals no information to anyone, we are literally at the same point we left DP1. Which might be mafia intentions, it's funny tho since I can definitely see people using this to incriminate me since i was the only one who had a vote on the guy last DP and I think i saw some posts of this while i was skimming. But i will get into them when i probably catch up to DP2.

End of DP1 was quite interesting, ya see in page 29, PK had the lead with 4 votes and Just_Red had 2 votes. Now, jump forward to page 31 and Rej suddenly has 3 votes, it's quite interesting to see the pattern of how this happened. TSQ is being all over the place again, and quite frankly i am not liking it, he changed his vote from rej to tiger to rej again. What's more interesting tho is that Both Michelle and PK switched their vote to rej. Pk went from ansa and the placed his vote to rej. All, this happened in a matter of 2 pages from 29 to 31. What do I make of this? whelp there is couple of situations at hand, either all those 3 are mafia (TSQ, PK, and Michelle) and are cooperating together (highly unlikely unless they are being very bold) . Scum is among them 2 out of 1 or even 1 out of 3.

The more I look at it the more suspicious it gets, something definitely fishy went down during the last couple of pages, i skimmed through DP2 real quickly and i noticed similar pattern, TSQ voted for elmage and michelle followed. I am not sure what is going on, my memory might be blurry but is michelle the type of scum who sheeps people?

PK is not cleared by any means btw, last game mafia had lynch immunity and personally speaking, granting mafia lynch immunity is something i do not really like. Lynching is townies only effective method against scum. Stripping that away is just not fun tbh. But unfortunately i saw it last game for scum so it might very well be the case here as well. There is a chance he might be a townie who has such ability as well, not taking that possibility away.

Time to read DP2 probably and catch up.

I really like your analysis.
Yes I did have a suspicion for you because of Dragomir. But now that I look back at it I think it could be Mafia.s strategy. Kill dragomir so the attention gets put on you
If you are a townie then they want to get rid of you ASAp but they can.t just accuse you or bluff in front of you..but maybe i think too much.

TSQ is townie AF!
Michelle and poison chan continue to look townie!

Elmage's posts look bad but might be irritated/lurky/wrong townie!
Tiger's posts continue to look scummy but might be able to be sorted later!

Just_Red looked scummy all day yesterday and comes in looking even scummier!

Vote Lynch: Just_Red

We should have done this during the previous Day!

@osieorb18
Can you tell me why is TSQ "townie AF"?
Why are you defending him lol

Lmfao, i find it quite alarming that post of his triggered you this much.

I have a good read on him regardless of that post he made. I did feel the need to respond hard to that post because "tunneling" does mean to beat someone up right? I found that disrespectful to me even if I know this is a game. Nevertheless my read on him is not based on that post but his whole DP1 behavior.

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Okay so based off all this my scum list @Michelle is:
Elmage - TSQ's analysis of him made more sense then Elmages counter claims (which I didnt get) @Elmage G Ace can you state in one post why you think TSQ is scum?

Tigger - His reasoning on why TSQ is scum, is mainly off the idea that TSQ voted a bunch. And as a player who votes a bitch ton of people and flips and jumps from one vote to another, I must say that this doesn't feel solid. It feels like an excuse to just get on the vote train with Elmage.

Osi - They vote me, and they don't justify. Its not RVS, so whats their deal? [I have a feeling they are town that really does not dig me] - don't care I'm putting them here.

Okay, so apart from this list I'd say players I'm concerned about are:

SK- He isnt dead....

Ansa - he is playing 'less aggressive' but like also aggressive. My point: he is not playing as agro as I've seen him, and this could just be a change of Meta, or rl issues. So I don't judge

Pk- Why didn't he die. Him voiding his own lynch is scary. I don't know if that is a townie trait.

Michelle- is it me or does she seem very passive? Just asking questions not making plays, or voting people out of thier own deduction.

Alice - she hasn't posted in a while. A little concerning.

@Just_Red just because I voted after Elmage dosa not mean i am following his lead lol....

 

[osieorb18]

I missed a few!

ISO - Isolation! Reading a player's posts in isolation from the rest of the thread, outside of checks for context! Sometimes used to refer to a Post-By-Post-Analysis (PBPA) of a player!
SK - SoulKiller!
TSQ - Thestatusquo!

 

[Just_Red]

I gave a whole ISO on you for Day 1!

Today you came in with horrific WIFOM that is likely scum-intentioned! (NKA is NAI, but NK WIFOM is scummy!)

You then pushed on SK based on reasoning for NK that was already clearly WIFOM! This looks like you were trying to frame SK!

You followed that up with more wine[url], and some degree of LAMIST and a tinge of OGI!
You then [url=https://animebase.me/threads/kingdom-%ED%82%B9%EB%8D%A4-mafia-game-25.774761/post-22002651]make an even-more-OGI suggestion that poison is reading based on familiarity rather than actual thoughts!

Don't look at my posts in depth! They're just LAMIST!

You flip-flop on poison more than a pufferfish out-of-water!

You TMI PK as town while sheeping their read on Hammock seemingly for an easy mislynch!

You dismiss TSQ's read off-hand without going into details while asking for details!

No reads yet! (Another contradiction since you've been expressing reads all game!)

Asking for more detail while also being generally dismissive of anything I say through an attack on my character!

One of the most bizarre, unhelpful, lacking-in-detail, busy-work-esque posts I've ever seen in 3 years of mafia and a decade of forum gaming! And this isn't hyperbole!

Self-focused continuation of the previous post!

Reiterating someone else's post to look like you're saying more than you actually are!

Then why not post it with your reads?! Also, a contradiction in itself because you say that you have reads and don't have reads in the same post!

WIFOM-heavy, low-detail, fence-sitty POE on half the players disguised as a readlist again seemingly posted to look like you're doing more work than you're actually doing!

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Wow, I could do this all day!

She's so damn scummy!

@Thestatusquo @Michelle @Ansatsuken @Hammock @aa-dono @Tigerrr in the woods @-PK- @Elmage G Ace @Rej @Poison chan @SoulKiller

I'm bored, leme answer this. Seems fun :3

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I gave a whole ISO on you for Day 1!
- Seems like a case on me. Not an ISO (unless I'm getting the def wrong)

Today you came in with horrific WIFOM that is likely scum-intentioned! (NKA is NAI, but NK WIFOM is scummy!)
- Okay.... I dunno how to respond to that: No, I did not?

You then pushed on SK based on reasoning for NK that was already clearly WIFOM! This looks like you were trying to frame SK!
- Yes. I expecitly stated that SK prob did do it. I was giving reason to suspect SK. I guess you can consider this scummy

You followed that up with more wine[url], and some degree of LAMIST and a tinge of OGI!
- Yes? I did state that dragmir NK wasnt the best idea for mafia. I felt like someone who was cocky did it. *cough* *cough* SK *cough* *cough* [I'm playing. It could've been me, SK presented reason why.]

You then [url=https://animebase.me/threads/kingdom-%ED%82%B9%EB%8D%A4-mafia-game-25.774761/post-22002651]make an even-more-OGI suggestion that poison is reading based on familiarity rather than actual thoughts!
-same thing as above ig

Don't look at my posts in depth! They're just LAMIST!
- wats that?

You flip-flop on poison more than a pufferfish out-of-water!
- Yes. I do like to vote alot. Like this:

Vote Lynch: @Tigerrr in the woods
Reason: there case on TSQ is weak, seems to be jumping wagon with Elmage.

You TMI PK as town while sheeping their read on Hammock seemingly for an easy mislynch!
- Hammok. Mislynch? *looks around* is it me or does it look like they are in danger of a mislynch.

You dismiss TSQ's read off-hand without going into details while asking for details!
- okay, that's scummy how?

No reads yet! (Another contradiction since you've been expressing reads all game!)
- reads above

Asking for more detail while also being generally dismissive of anything I say through an attack on my character!
- I havent attacked that hashira. I wouldnt want to. She would wreck me. And If my jokes are hurting you, please say so. I just joke for fun, not as an intention to dismissing you or making you hate me or the game. Plz and thanks.

One of the most bizarre, unhelpful, lacking-in-detail, busy-work-esque posts I've ever seen in 3 years of mafia and a decade of forum gaming! And this isn't hyperbole!
- I explained why i put it. Ignore it if it hurts you that bad. Sheesh

Self-focused continuation of the previous post!
- ??

Reiterating someone else's post to look like you're saying more than you actually are!
- I was asking questions. Not stating anything new.

Then why not post it with your reads?! Also, a contradiction in itself because you say that you have reads and don't have reads in the same post!
-hmm k.

WIFOM-heavy, low-detail, fence-sitty POE on half the players disguised as a readlist again seemingly posted to look like you're doing more work than you're actually doing!
- False. That is my genuine reads on the players. Would you like a paragraph per player? I'm not giving you one, since you didnt ask nicely.


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Wow, I could do this all day!

She's so damn scummy!
- cool. What are you reads other then me?

 

[osieorb18]

@Tigerrr in the woods I'm not defending him particularly, just expressing a townread, but I will go into detail within the next couple hours once I am showered and the like!

 

[Just_Red]

I really like your analysis.
Yes I did have a suspicion for you because of Dragomir. But now that I look back at it I think it could be Mafia.s strategy. Kill dragomir so the attention gets put on you
If you are a townie then they want to get rid of you ASAp but they can.t just accuse you or bluff in front of you..but maybe i think too much.




@osieorb18
Can you tell me why is TSQ "townie AF"?
Why are you defending him lol



I have a good read on him regardless of that post he made. I did feel the need to respond hard to that post because "tunneling" does mean to beat someone up right? I found that disrespectful to me even if I know this is a game. Nevertheless my read on him is not based on that post but his whole DP1 behavior.

@Just_Red just because I voted after Elmage dosa not mean i am following his lead lol....

True. But doesn't mean your not either.

My point was that your point on TSQ was weak. So I figured that you were bussing.

 

[Just_Red]

I'm bored, leme answer this. Seems fun :3

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I gave a whole ISO on you for Day 1!
- Seems like a case on me. Not an ISO (unless I'm getting the def wrong)

Today you came in with horrific WIFOM that is likely scum-intentioned! (NKA is NAI, but NK WIFOM is scummy!)
- Okay.... I dunno how to respond to that: No, I did not?

You then pushed on SK based on reasoning for NK that was already clearly WIFOM! This looks like you were trying to frame SK!
- Yes. I expecitly stated that SK prob did do it. I was giving reason to suspect SK. I guess you can consider this scummy

You followed that up with more wine[url], and some degree of LAMIST and a tinge of OGI!
- Yes? I did state that dragmir NK wasnt the best idea for mafia. I felt like someone who was cocky did it. *cough* *cough* SK *cough* *cough* [I'm playing. It could've been me, SK presented reason why.]

You then [url=https://animebase.me/threads/kingdom-%ED%82%B9%EB%8D%A4-mafia-game-25.774761/post-22002651]make an even-more-OGI suggestion that poison is reading based on familiarity rather than actual thoughts!
-same thing as above ig

Don't look at my posts in depth! They're just LAMIST!
- wats that?

You flip-flop on poison more than a pufferfish out-of-water!
- Yes. I do like to vote alot. Like this:

Vote Lynch: @Tigerrr in the woods
Reason: there case on TSQ is weak, seems to be jumping wagon with Elmage.

You TMI PK as town while sheeping their read on Hammock seemingly for an easy mislynch!
- Hammok. Mislynch? *looks around* is it me or does it look like they are in danger of a mislynch.

You dismiss TSQ's read off-hand without going into details while asking for details!
- okay, that's scummy how?

No reads yet! (Another contradiction since you've been expressing reads all game!)
- reads above

Asking for more detail while also being generally dismissive of anything I say through an attack on my character!
- I havent attacked that hashira. I wouldnt want to. She would wreck me. And If my jokes are hurting you, please say so. I just joke for fun, not as an intention to dismissing you or making you hate me or the game. Plz and thanks.

One of the most bizarre, unhelpful, lacking-in-detail, busy-work-esque posts I've ever seen in 3 years of mafia and a decade of forum gaming! And this isn't hyperbole!
- I explained why i put it. Ignore it if it hurts you that bad. Sheesh

Self-focused continuation of the previous post!
- ??

Reiterating someone else's post to look like you're saying more than you actually are!
- I was asking questions. Not stating anything new.

Then why not post it with your reads?! Also, a contradiction in itself because you say that you have reads and don't have reads in the same post!
-hmm k.

WIFOM-heavy, low-detail, fence-sitty POE on half the players disguised as a readlist again seemingly posted to look like you're doing more work than you're actually doing!
- False. That is my genuine reads on the players. Would you like a paragraph per player? I'm not giving you one, since you didnt ask nicely.


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Wow, I could do this all day!

She's so damn scummy!
- cool. What are you reads other then me?

I saw ur reads. No need to add them. Unless you want to add them in paragraphs then go right ahead.

 

[Just_Red]

What are ya'll reads?
@SoulKiller @Tigerrr in the woods @-PK- ?

 

[osieorb18]

@Tigerrr in the woods Do you feel like Red's focus on the NK WIFOM early on going into the day was townie?! It looks very pre-planned to me!

 

[Tigerrr in the woods]

Thanks for answering..looking forward to your reply.

Funny how Osie and Red look like 2 cats fighting viciously -.-

Just because you want, or think someone is scum doesn't mean the person is scum, towns usually show a degree of uncertainty when playing. Not him though

I don.t know Elmage... I mean with the risk of people arounf here saying that i am.busssing you and what not...
Does Michelle seem a bit too naive ?

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Alright, let's get this party going.

The kill on Drago is interesting, it's not necessarily bad since it reveals no information to anyone, we are literally at the same point we left DP1. Which might be mafia intentions, it's funny tho since I can definitely see people using this to incriminate me since i was the only one who had a vote on the guy last DP and I think i saw some posts of this while i was skimming. But i will get into them when i probably catch up to DP2.

End of DP1 was quite interesting, ya see in page 29, PK had the lead with 4 votes and Just_Red had 2 votes. Now, jump forward to page 31 and Rej suddenly has 3 votes, it's quite interesting to see the pattern of how this happened. TSQ is being all over the place again, and quite frankly i am not liking it, he changed his vote from rej to tiger to rej again. What's more interesting tho is that Both Michelle and PK switched their vote to rej. Pk went from ansa and the placed his vote to rej. All, this happened in a matter of 2 pages from 29 to 31. What do I make of this? whelp there is couple of situations at hand, either all those 3 are mafia (TSQ, PK, and Michelle) and are cooperating together (highly unlikely unless they are being very bold) . Scum is among them 2 out of 1 or even 1 out of 3.

The more I look at it the more suspicious it gets, something definitely fishy went down during the last couple of pages, i skimmed through DP2 real quickly and i noticed similar pattern, TSQ voted for elmage and michelle followed. I am not sure what is going on, my memory might be blurry but is michelle the type of scum who sheeps people?

PK is not cleared by any means btw, last game mafia had lynch immunity and personally speaking, granting mafia lynch immunity is something i do not really like. Lynching is townies only effective method against scum. Stripping that away is just not fun tbh. But unfortunately i saw it last game for scum so it might very well be the case here as well. There is a chance he might be a townie who has such ability as well, not taking that possibility away.

Time to read DP2 probably and catch up.

Again your read for the end if DP1
Scum is amongs them. I believe that too. 1 out of 3 at least. And I am.not bussing pls understand this.
Just because I can.t be as eloquent as you or other people around here doesn.t mean I don.t have a good read.
I didn.t pick on TSQ just for the bluffing. His whole DP1 felt weird like i said.
HE Is dangerous in my opinion.

True. But doesn't mean your not either.

My point was that your point on TSQ was weak. So I figured that you were bussing.

Well I am not. Don.t know how to prove to you?
i understand your point.

As for my reads,
I already vlted so it.s pretty clear that i think TSQ is Dangerous!
As for the others i think SK leans townish rn
Michelle is turning into a question mark ...
Ansa Supper quiet...
You and Osie not sure what is going on there haha
Elmage is good ♡call it bussing, wagonning ... i trust him for the blant reason he saw in TSQ what i see in TSQ

@Tigerrr in the woods Do you feel like Red's focus on the NK WIFOM early on going into the day was townie?! It looks very pre-planned to me!

I don.t know what.s going rn between you two dear. I.ll probably go to bed soon. And will come back with a reply

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[Alice in Noodleland]

ANNOUNCEMENT
@Imperfection will sub in for Ansatsuken for the rest of the game.
Do not talk about substitutions

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Why'd you word it as if you already had a scum lean on me then? Were you joking or

No I stated, I had decided to vote you. Not that I scum leaned you. I just felt the urge to vote you. Its a very hard urge to resist.

So, like...You said you wanted to vote me because you were scum reading me, but then you said you weren't scum reading me? So were you just joking or what were you doing, dnu

It's not an RVS vote, she claimed she had a scum read on me in one post. I just quoted it, and then she played it too cautious saying she just "resisted the urge to vote me".

She implied she had a scum read on me. She said she didn't. I pressed her again to explain what one of her posts mean, and then she snap votes me.

What do you make out of that?

That implied you had some sort of reasoning and I didn't like the caution, it's like you were trying to buy into some credit for soft pushing me. I'm aware of that stuff happening in a lot of games.

Here it almost seems like TSQ wasn't paying attention to what Red was saying, she literally stated why, but he kept the narrative that Red scum read him and then voted, mind you this is DP one, so her vote was more or less RVS

I believe that this is a very bad line of inquiry.

Firstly, you aren’t supposed to make a comment about an on-going game

Secondly, meta doesn’t mean anything, at least, the method which you use to apply meta is faulty.

I’m not bothering with this meta talk, it’s useless.

No, hence why I think it’s better if we would just drop this meta talk, it doesn’t really make her town nor scum.

I do like these two posts, he mentioned here that one should not overly rely on meta, but he proceeds to break his own rule, thereby contradicting himself

Not liking this either.

I also feel as though Poison herself reacted badly to the accusations on her. She deflected it by trying to make awkward jokes, whereas I would've expected her town self to implode by now.

Vote : Poison Chan

Voting Poison based on...

PK does seem scummy, but that's his general playstyle. At least based on the few games I played with him, I never seen him going hard, pressuring a player or being overly investigative. Could be wrong to though

This was my thoughts on PKs play, I basically implied that he's not necessarily scum from his play, even though it SEEMS scummy, I never scum read PK

Yeah it’s just that you’re kind of hedging on all of your reads, except for me, and it’s fairly simple to call me town.

Red could be scummy BUT

PK is scummy BUT

Stuff like that.

If you don’t really have any suspicions why’d you feel the need to make a list that just comments on thread events?

Talk to me more about your scum leans / people that have done scummy things please.

First of all, uncertainty is a trait you'll find in towns because even if you have good reads (and this is DP1) you can't be sure, here he has stated I implied PK is scummy but... Yeah, except he doesn't understand English very well, this is what misinterpretation looks like

Reason please? I'm hoping he's online so I can clear up things with him, I'm not trying to push a lynch

I stated here why I voted TSQ last DP, I wasn't pushing a lynch, but by the time he came on, I was asleep

Also, btw, I may be wrong, but I don't think just_Red is scum, her play was not aggressive as I'd expect, but she was relaxed, I don't know why people a throwing the word cautious in respect to her play, I noticed nothing of the sort

This is me giving my thoughts on Reds play, for the record, she can be even more aggressive as town, players were stating that she's supposed to be aggressive, she's too cautious yada yada yada, and TSQ, was among those players... Still relying on meta here, although that's not necessarily a bad thing, but I made this post to give people more insight, Red was being voted then

That doesn't mean she's scum, the most aggressive I've seen her was actually as scum. I change of playstyle should not often be associated with alignment.

Btw where is @SoulKiller

Summary of my point

I’m here and questioning the amount of votes on PK and osie is starting to look worse, this sudden push is no goodie

Self-pressing isn’t mandatory for town to make

If town’s going to not listen to me again then I’d want to vote Rej over Tiger and PK

TSQ had Rej on his radar, yes, but he never built a case, judging from his DP1 he made more cases against Poison and Tiger, but suddenly decided to vote Rej at EOD, a player who wasn't online, and can't defend himself

@-PK- vote Rej man. If you're town you always gotta self-pres no matter what.

At this point it certainly feels like the Red thing is being milked to death and there's most likely one scum in between Elmage / Ansatsuken for reaching at low-hanging fruit

He mentioned this because both Ansa and I pointed out the issue with Red

There's no actual misinterpretation going on there, I thought Red was trying to angle a soft push to gain credit from me and as soon as I got a feel for the push, I ignored it and thought she's actually just town

where have i twisted things to push an agenda?

He thought... Meanwhile, she stated clearly why she voted him

You haven't developed on your read on me, you went straight at PK, your reads were hedged, all of them.

You made a pissy vote at EoD, didn't give a shit about your top scum being top wagon and pushing him further to get a better feel for him.

Your entrance today was one of the worst ones

You've landed yourself in scumlandia, mate.

@Italic: I was offline, didn't want to press a player who can't defend himself, and I had to work night, so when he came on, I was off, no one's fault

@bold: Now he's implying my TOP SCUM was PK, and I made a pissy vote, meanwhile, I stated that my top sus lists comprised of Rej and TSQ

Anyways, the way PK has played is not the one of the scum mentality that has a bulletproof and more of a town one.

Man meme'd with GIFs the whole game and barely contributed, laughed at town, that's never a mafia does when he knows he's going to get pushed for surviving

Get Elmage for not having any town progression and hedging on every single one of his reads and not caring for top wagons at all, especially when one of them is at lynch point.

@bolded, finally agree with the point I made about PK in DP1

I'm like never moving my vote off Elmage today and if people aren't voting for him today you all are committing a cardinal sin of letting outed wolves survive so they snowball into an easy town read

Elmage is never town

What does this sound like to you people? An unreasonable person, who is so fixated on lynching me irrespective of what I do or say, which means he hasn't really been paying attention to my actions. I'll leave you to interpret this as you like

I have mentioned and explained to you and this day phase you end up voting for PK when yesterday you've avoided his wagon. You're still not sorting your scum lean.

He is implying that I avoided PK wagon, when I never scum read PK to begin with

You're honestly making me doubt your mafia skills tbh. I didn't vote PK because I didn't think he was scum, I didn't AVOID shit,

I voted him now because I want to see people's reaction, and right now, it's not looking good for Poison and Hammock, they just entered my sus list, but you couldn't wait for me to get to you right?

I'm explaining why I voted PK this DP

I find you very hedg-y and not having a natural progression and now you're talking to me like I'm flipped town

"I doubt your mafia skills". I'm so over this, this is not a valid argument, stop appealing to emotion, I'm only going to tunnel you further by calling me bad

This is literally the following post of his, he ignores my reason, and proceeds to focus on this. He is also implying that I'm talking to him as town... Like wtf! Are you guys seeing this?

There you go, misinterpreting comments, I gave a reason why I voted PK, I'm not replying to you as town, you should be able to see what I'm doing irrespective of any alignment, except you don't want to...

My response

Just Red, PK - top wagons throughout the day

Elmage : Slight scum leans on both of them but not sure

Also Elmage : vote thestatusquo, why are you misinterpreting people's pushes

while not having any opinion on Red at all and I've completely refuted his argument

this progression makes no sense, he didn't sort any of PK and Red further and focused on his TOP TOWN

Now he's saying my top sus were too wagons, meanwhile my top sus was not, and I was defending both of them, please tell me you guys are reading this

I'm talking about D1 not now.

the post that you quoted doesn't even mention PK and your vote on him, guilty conscious?

Perhaps if you were paying attention to new information, you'd know my stand on Red, I don't think she's mafia, and I Stated it last DP. Seriously man!

VoteLynch @Thestatusquo

Here I'm letting him know I never considered Red mafia last DP, and I voted him here because he refused to reason with me

He probably spews PK town so you're not right

Elmage is never with PK and he's a wolf anyway, he can't really get killed

unless vigi shoots him

Really? That's your reply? So I'm scum because the post I quoted doesn't mention PK? But I understand what I'm saying right?

Again, it seems you only read what you want to read, possible TMI, I gave my thoughts on the game, and I mentioned what I thought of PK's game, I voted him this DP to see the reaction of other players, I hope you can read it this time.

If you don't have any other valid argument, I'm going to ignore you

I reminded him that I did give my DP1 thoughts on PK, and repeated for the umpteenth time, the reason I voted PK this DP

THE LAST PHASE YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT PK GAINING STEAM OR SORTING HIS ALIGNMENT, WHEN YOU HAD SLIGHT SUSPICION ON HIM

STOP AVOIDING IT AND CHOOSING TO FIGHT WHATEVER ARGUMENT OF MINE MAKES YOU LOOK BETTER

ADDRESS WHY YOU DIDN'T SORT PK YESTERDAY AND INSTEAD CHOSE TO SHADE YOUR TOP TOWN AND VOTE HIM, WHEN YOU KNEW I WASN'T GETTING LYNCHED

First of all, cap locks! Really? Anyways, I don't think I need to repeat what I've been saying here

Maybe I forgot about your shift on Red, who cares, I forget stuff, but this shit is facts and you not giving an explanation for it is scummy as shit

Now he says he forgets stuff, I mean you should try to verify your reads, did you ISO me? How will you forget a scenario that is instrumental to your weak basis for voting me?

But then again you hedged on like your entire list so it's kind of hard to keep track of where you're at, cuz you can just twist it at any time /shrug

Still repeating the same thing despite my replies, so I chose to ignore him

Use this energy you have to go ISO me, you'll find your answers there, or you can't do that too?

Why don't you want to explain it to me if it's so easy to do?

"my progression on PK is so town, go look it up"

"there's no progression"

"nah it's literally right there"

"ok if you're so sure it's there, why don't you say it back to me when you've already wasted 2 pages arguing with me and also voting me"

"meh"

Proceeds to make useless posts instead of going to investigate and look for more proof


You're either a mafia, or perhaps you have trouble with English (no offense) you're also unreasonable, I'm on my phone right now, else I'd have posted more instances.

Town players should be willing to change their stance when faced with reasonable doubt, but here he doesn't want to, he thinks he caught scum. That's classic mafia tactics, and then if I get lynched, he'll say "well he was scummy tbh yada yada yada"

 

[Just_Red]

Here it almost seems like TSQ wasn't paying attention to what Red was saying, she literally stated why, but he kept the narrative that Red scum read him and then voted, mind you this is DP one, so her vote was more or less RVS



I do like these two posts, he mentioned here that one should not overly rely on meta, but he proceeds to break his own rule, thereby contradicting himself



Voting Poison based on...


This was my thoughts on PKs play, I basically implied that he's not necessarily scum from his play, even though it SEEMS scummy, I never scum read PK


First of all, uncertainty is a trait you'll find in towns because even if you have good reads (and this is DP1) you can't be sure, here he has stated I implied PK is scummy but... Yeah, except he doesn't understand English very well, this is what misinterpretation looks like


I stated here why I voted TSQ last DP, I wasn't pushing a lynch, but by the time he came on, I was asleep


This is me giving my thoughts on Reds play, for the record, she can be even more aggressive as town, players were stating that she's supposed to be aggressive, she's too cautious yada yada yada, and TSQ, was among those players... Still relying on meta here, although that's not necessarily a bad thing, but I made this post to give people more insight, Red was being voted then


Summary of my point

TSQ had Rej on his radar, yes, but he never built a case, judging from his DP1 he made more cases against Poison and Tiger, but suddenly decided to vote Rej at EOD, a player who wasn't online, and can't defend himself




He mentioned this because both Ansa and I pointed out the issue with Red


He thought... Meanwhile, she stated clearly why she voted him


@Italic: I was offline, didn't want to press a player who can't defend himself, and I had to work night, so when he came on, I was off, no one's fault

@bold: Now he's implying my TOP SCUM was PK, and I made a pissy vote, meanwhile, I stated that my top sus lists comprised of Rej and TSQ


@bolded, finally agree with the point I made about PK in DP1


What does this sound like to you people? An unreasonable person, who is so fixated on lynching me irrespective of what I do or say, which means he hasn't really been paying attention to my actions. I'll leave you to interpret this as you like


He is implying that I avoided PK wagon, when I never scum read PK to begin with



I'm explaining why I voted PK this DP


This is literally the following post of his, he ignores my reason, and proceeds to focus on this. He is also implying that I'm talking to him as town... Like wtf! Are you guys seeing this?


My response



Now he's saying my top sus were too wagons, meanwhile my top sus was not, and I was defending both of them, please tell me you guys are reading this



Here I'm letting him know I never considered Red mafia last DP, and I voted him here because he refused to reason with me



I reminded him that I did give my DP1 thoughts on PK, and repeated for the umpteenth time, the reason I voted PK this DP



First of all, cap locks! Really? Anyways, I don't think I need to repeat what I've been saying here


Now he says he forgets stuff, I mean you should try to verify your reads, did you ISO me? How will you forget a scenario that is instrumental to your weak basis for voting me?


Still repeating the same thing despite my replies, so I chose to ignore him



Proceeds to make useless posts instead of going to investigate and look for more proof


You're either a mafia, or perhaps you have trouble with English (no offense) you're also unreasonable, I'm on my phone right now, else I'd have posted more instances.

Town players should be willing to change their stance when faced with reasonable doubt, but here he doesn't want to, he thinks he caught scum. That's classic mafia tactics, and then if I get lynched, he'll say "well he was scummy tbh yada yada yada"

Damn. That's deep. I didn't see that. TSQ was really unreasonably tunneling you for a weak reason. Why didn't you say something earlier!!?? (Jk)

Unvote

Vote Lynch: @Thestatusquo

I'ma voting TSQ because I legit think mafia would hard focus a player, with weak basis, this early on. I've seen it been done. So I think this is also the case.

 

[Premfection]

Hey y'all.

So I've been keeping somewhat of an eye on this thread in anticipation of this. (Tho I still went back a little bit in the thread because I wasn't paying... that much attention)

TSQ - I think they're town but I don't know, on one hand his interaction with Just_Red in the beginning was sort of weird, but knowing how they played last game I just... feel that their isnt that much thats suspicious about them
Michelle - Seems town, just getting the vibe
Hammock- New player so I understand why they aren't doing that much, expect more from them later, for now I am not sure what to think of them
aa-dono- trying to read the thread to find anything on them, dont have anything for now though
tiger in the woods - also seems town
PK - Was able to survive a lynch, i dont know but I feel like that would be too easy for a mafia to have
Elmage - town read
osiero - so many exclamation points lmao. I love you, but, I just dont know. I have a bad feeling about you, that could change tho. Scum read.
Just_Red - again strange interactions with TSQ, for both of them. I didnt get the RVS vote as much as I feel TSQ reacted to it a little too seriously. Not sure what to think.
Rej - I havent seen too much from them.
Poison - town lean, active and questioning/pushing everyone
Soulkiller - town lean also, although I wasnt sure at first because of the inactivity, but I believe they were just busy because of school


My thoughts may change as the thread goes on ofc

 

[osieorb18]

@Tigerrr in the woods I'm not defending him particularly, just expressing a townread, but I will go into detail within the next couple hours once I am showered and the like!

I forgot that I need to cook today!



After dinner, I guess! The core of it is that he seemed to be genuinely reacting without malice throughout Day 1!

 

[Just_Red]

I forgot that I need to cook today!



After dinner, I guess! The core of it is that he seemed to be genuinely reacting without malice throughout Day 1!

It really be like that.

Just order some food =_= if you don't got enough time.

 

[Just_Red]

Hey y'all.

So I've been keeping somewhat of an eye on this thread in anticipation of this. (Tho I still went back a little bit in the thread because I wasn't paying... that much attention)

TSQ - I think they're town but I don't know, on one hand his interaction with Just_Red in the beginning was sort of weird, but knowing how they played last game I just... feel that their isnt that much thats suspicious about them
Michelle - Seems town, just getting the vibe
Hammock- New player so I understand why they aren't doing that much, expect more from them later, for now I am not sure what to think of them
aa-dono- trying to read the thread to find anything on them, dont have anything for now though
tiger in the woods - also seems town
PK - Was able to survive a lynch, i dont know but I feel like that would be too easy for a mafia to have
Elmage - town read
osiero - so many exclamation points lmao. I love you, but, I just dont know. I have a bad feeling about you, that could change tho. Scum read.
Just_Red - again strange interactions with TSQ, for both of them. I didnt get the RVS vote as much as I feel TSQ reacted to it a little too seriously. Not sure what to think.
Rej - I havent seen too much from them.
Poison - town lean, active and questioning/pushing everyone
Soulkiller - town lean also, although I wasnt sure at first because of the inactivity, but I believe they were just busy because of school


My thoughts may change as the thread goes on ofc

You have only one scum read right? Why haven't you voted them? (Unless I read wrong)