kin gin brothers vs minato.

[Dratasy]

First how can you compare tobirama s/t techn to that of minato's when we dont know how his works U_U

The same reason you can assume that due to the Kin-Gin brothers leaving Tobirama near death by an ambush, means Minato may have the same thing happen to him. At this point it's all speculation, I'm not saying you're wrong in thinking that they may beat Minato (If that is what you think, you may think Minato will win and that they will also do quite a bit of damage on him, not sure your outlook on it)

I'm simply saying that right now we know that Minato was highly experienced in S/T techniques to the point of he could do a S/T technique it took three ninja's to do, all by himself, now given that argument, Tobirama can also do a Water Release technique with just one hand seal, when it takes other ninja's a minimum of 44. Not saying Tobirama is not a very skilled ninja, but I do believe he could have taken on the Kin-Gin brothers and been nowhere near death if not for them ambushing him,
-Tobirama wins Due To: He was highly skilled in his affinity and also knew S/T, while being a very good at detecting enemies (Placing one finger on the ground allowed him to tell how many and where at the enemies were) and even created the Impure World Ressurection

But even with those feats, it's not said just how great his reflexes were, all we know is that he was good at S/T techniques to the point of where he had been mentioned by Minato when Minato compared the two of them against Tobi's S/T but then again just by how little we know of Minato, we know more of Tobirama than we do of Minato (If not the same amount)

I believe Minato would win against the two brothers as well (Like I said though I also believe Tobirama would win too)
-Minato wins as well Due To:
Minato's own creation of S/T technique requires a minimum of three ninja's just to replicate the technique, when Minato can do it himself while having an unlimited amount of seals he can place on any object, and even if runs of out kunai and needs to get close to the enemy to mark them, his base speed alone is (By speculation) the same speed as Raikage's V1 armor, and combining such amazing S/T techniques with his own reflexes (The best reflexes in Narutoverse period) allows him to react to any technique the Kin-Gin brothers use, if Darui is smart enough to figure out the flaw to them, Minato definitely is smart enough. Also Minato is great at detecting enemies as well (He can do the same thing Tobirama can) so it's safe to say these two ninja's are very skilled to the point of where they are the two most unbeatable kage's if they are allowed to go all out on the enemy without having to worry about protecting a village or students considering I didn't even list all of their feats and considering we don't know anywhere near all of their feats"

 

[Blaze Release]

The same reason you can assume that due to the Kin-Gin brothers leaving Tobirama near death by an ambush, means Minato may have the same thing happen to him. At this point it's all speculation, I'm not saying you're wrong in thinking that they may beat Minato (If that is what you think, you may think Minato will win and that they will also do quite a bit of damage on him, not sure your outlook on it)

I'm simply saying that right now we know that Minato was highly experienced in S/T techniques to the point of he could do a S/T technique it took three ninja's to do, all by himself, now given that argument, Tobirama can also do a Water Release technique with just one hand seal, when it takes other ninja's a minimum of 44. Not saying Tobirama is not a very skilled ninja, but I do believe he could have taken on the Kin-Gin brothers and been nowhere near death if not for them ambushing him,
-Tobirama wins Due To: He was highly skilled in his affinity and also knew S/T, while being a very good at detecting enemies (Placing one finger on the ground allowed him to tell how many and where at the enemies were) and even created the Impure World Ressurection

But even with those feats, it's not said just how great his reflexes were, all we know is that he was good at S/T techniques to the point of where he had been mentioned by Minato when Minato compared the two of them against Tobi's S/T but then again just by how little we know of Minato, we know more of Tobirama than we do of Minato (If not the same amount)

I believe Minato would win against the two brothers as well (Like I said though I also believe Tobirama would win too)
-Minato wins as well Due To:
Minato's own creation of S/T technique requires a minimum of three ninja's just to replicate the technique, when Minato can do it himself while having an unlimited amount of seals he can place on any object, and even if runs of out kunai and needs to get close to the enemy to mark them, his base speed alone is (By speculation) the same speed as Raikage's V1 armor, and combining such amazing S/T techniques with his own reflexes (The best reflexes in Narutoverse period) allows him to react to any technique the Kin-Gin brothers use, if Darui is smart enough to figure out the flaw to them, Minato definitely is smart enough. Also Minato is great at detecting enemies as well (He can do the same thing Tobirama can) so it's safe to say these two ninja's are very skilled to the point of where they are the two most unbeatable kage's if they are allowed to go all out on the enemy without having to worry about protecting a village or students considering I didn't even list all of their feats and considering we don't know anywhere near all of their feats"

What you fail to get is that they did not only ambush him alone, he was with the 2nd raikage who we could assume is no pushover himself. Yet the gin/kin bros held more than their own.

Minato has nothing in his arsenal which from what we have seen so far which leads me to believe that he can beat the duo.
We do not know whether his s/t tech is more advanced than tobirama.

Personally i believe he would lose. With info on their abilities especially their legedary weapons he might win but with high difficulty

Was I talking about their kyuubi forms? No. And you really shouldn't be comparing Kinkaku's kyuubi form to Naruto's because it's obviously substantially weaker.

We dont know whether its weaker, but looking at the transformation, its obvious a rasengan wouldnt do either brothers any harm if they were to transform

 

[Inner Eye]

Minato has only a few strengths: Speed, Kunai, Teleportation, Taijutsu, and Sealing. Beyond that, yes there is intelligence and tactics, which all characters have to some degree. The brothers have only slower close range moves, and the transformation into the mini-fox.

I think Minato would seal them before they sealed him - afterall, Tobi sealed them easily at slightly above the strength he was at when Minato out sped and out maneuvered him without being hit. They are not accustomed to fighting superbly strong opponents, they have strong offense and medium defense. Minato consistently outmaneuvers A class opponents, and instead of surviving the fox, defeated him.

 

[Lord Snow]

Minato for the win.

 

[Inner Eye]

Real durability?, rasengan would kill them?
They have shown to be able to transform into v2 kyuubi mode. The same mode that the kusanagi sword couldnt pierce



First how can you compare tobirama s/t techn to that of minato's when we dont know how his works U_U

The typical response Minato has to a transformation is not to attack with a sword, but to seal it. Minato is a master sealer. It is apparent to me that he could throw kunai and shuriken all over, and then teleport by a stationary foot or base of the tail and seal it near instantaneously.

 

[Inner Eye]

What you fail to get is that they did not only ambush him alone, he was with the 2nd raikage who we could assume is no pushover himself. Yet the gin/kin bros held more than their own.

Minato has nothing in his arsenal which from what we have seen so far which leads me to believe that he can beat the duo.
We do not know whether his s/t tech is more advanced than tobirama.

Personally i believe he would lose. With info on their abilities especially their legedary weapons he might win but with high difficulty



We dont know whether its weaker, but looking at the transformation, its obvious a rasengan wouldnt do either brothers any harm if they were to transform

The foundation of the duo's techniques is that they are fast enough and close enough to catch their opponent. Everyone of their techniques involved moving a physical object at fast but clearly visible speeds. They do very well against opponents below a certain threshold, and very poorly against opponents above it. Even the lieutenant, who is fast, but not nearly as fast as Minato, out maneuvered both of them, and that was when they both had regeneration.

 

[The Eye]

Well for all the people saying they cannot hit minato because he is too fast, ei a s/t user. Its this same duo that brought a s/t user, the 2nd hokage on the brink of death.

yet you forgot to mention the 2nd battling 20 elite ninja long enough for the other to escape. a surprise attack against the raikage and the 2nd yea it left him nearly dead but not dead

 

[Urda]

Kin/Gin Brothers FTW or Draw.

 

[The Eye]

We dont know whether its weaker, but looking at the transformation, its obvious a rasengan wouldnt do either brothers any harm if they were to transform

actually we do...we know a full junruki has more power than one that isnt
i forgot his name the boy from the fire country had the fox chakra in him he wasnt as powerful as naruto

 

[Inner Eye]

yet you forgot to mention the 2nd battling 20 elite ninja long enough for the other to escape. a surprise attack against the raikage and the 2nd yea it left him nearly dead but not dead

Yes, as far as the Raikage goes, he killed himself with exhaustion when to allow his comrades to escape. Had he stopped, their weapons and jutsu wouldn't have even harmed him.

Minato's speed is almost that of the Raikage's, too fast for the duo to do anything to him with their techniques based in physically moving objects, which are clearly visible.

 

[Blaze Release]

The typical response Minato has to a transformation is not to attack with a sword, but to seal it. Minato is a master sealer. It is apparent to me that he could throw kunai and shuriken all over, and then teleport by a stationary foot or base of the tail and seal it near instantaneously.

To seal what?. Please explain this again. Not sure what you are trying to say

The foundation of the duo's techniques is that they are fast enough and close enough to catch their opponent. Everyone of their techniques involved moving a physical object at fast but clearly visible speeds. They do very well against opponents below a certain threshold, and very poorly against opponents above it. Even the lieutenant, who is fast, but not nearly as fast as Minato, out maneuvered both of them, and that was when they both had regeneration.

And ive given you evidence that they left a s/t user, tobirama, the 2nd hokage on the brink of death

actually we do...we know a full junruki has more power than one that isnt
i forgot his name the boy from the fire country had the fox chakra in him he wasnt as powerful as naruto

If sora a filler character is who you intend to use in this argument, then its best to walk away U_U.

 

[The Eye]

To seal what?. Please explain this again. Not sure what you are trying to say





And ive given you evidence that they left a s/t user, tobirama, the 2nd hokage on the brink of death



If sora a filler character is who you intend to use in this argument, then its best to walk away U_U.

wait it was a filler -___- sorry, it was a good episode seemed like it was cannon sorry. but its still obvious that having the real thing in you is better than an imitation.

 

[Dratasy]

What you fail to get is that they did not only ambush him alone, he was with the 2nd raikage who we could assume is no pushover himself. Yet the gin/kin bros held more than their own.

Minato has nothing in his arsenal which from what we have seen so far which leads me to believe that he can beat the duo.
We do not know whether his s/t tech is more advanced than tobirama.

Personally i believe he would lose. With info on their abilities especially their legedary weapons he might win but with high difficulty



We dont know whether its weaker, but looking at the transformation, its obvious a rasengan wouldnt do either brothers any harm if they were to transform

Who's to say the Raikage helped? Do you honestly think Darui can defeat the 2nd Raikage given the fact that the 3rd and 4th are amazingly fast and durable? So honestly I'm not failing to realize anything here, I'm simply going by logic placed in the Naruto manga, do you truly think Darui alone can beat the Kin-Gin brothers and yet two (Not to mention how strong that they are) kage's can't beat them without Tobirama being near death? Sorry but that does not add up one bit, I love Darui but I know his limits compared to a kage. So you're entitled to your own opinion but I am as well so no need to tell me I fail at realizing something when there is nothing to realize except for speculation. Which in all honesty, the logic behind said speculation that I have provided makes a lot more sense to me (and maybe others) than yours does, but doesn't mean I'm saying you have to believe it. Also for all we know Tobirama had better S/T than Tobi, but we don't have facts, we do know that Minato compared Tobirama and his own S/T techniques against Tobi's, meaning Tobirama had pretty good S/T but yet never had any reflex feats, which Minato does have which makes his S/T better than Tobirama's from what we know, even Minato's S/T was better than Tobi's (Since at the start Minato says Tobi may have better S/T than his own yet beats him in the speed battle of S/T) and Tobi has a very impressive S/T, not to mention we don't know all of what Minato is capable of so actually yes, Minato has the best S/T equipped with his reflexes, Minato even took down a full-on tailed beast and could have lived, but he had better plans in store (Which are still unfolding to this day) So you mean to tell me Minato will lose against these two? Lol

 

[Blaze Release]

Who's to say the Raikage helped? Do you honestly think Darui can defeat the 2nd Raikage given the fact that the 3rd and 4th are amazingly fast and durable? So honestly I'm not failing to realize anything here, I'm simply going by logic placed in the Naruto manga, do you truly think Darui alone can beat the Kin-Gin brothers and yet two (Not to mention how strong that they are) kage's can't beat them without Tobirama being near death? Sorry but that does not add up one bit, I love Darui but I know his limits compared to a kage. So you're entitled to your own opinion but I am as well so no need to tell me I fail at realizing something when there is nothing to realize except for speculation. Which in all honesty, the logic behind said speculation that I have provided makes a lot more sense to me (and maybe others) than yours does, but doesn't mean I'm saying you have to believe it. Also for all we know Tobirama had better S/T than Tobi, but we don't have facts, we do know that Minato compared Tobirama and his own S/T techniques against Tobi's, meaning Tobirama had pretty good S/T but yet never had any reflex feats, which Minato does have which makes his S/T better than Tobirama's from what we know, even Minato's S/T was better than Tobi's (Since at the start Minato says Tobi may have better S/T than his own yet beats him in the speed battle of S/T) and Tobi has a very impressive S/T, not to mention we don't know all of what Minato is capable of so actually yes, Minato has the best S/T equipped with his reflexes, Minato even took down a full-on tailed beast and could have lived, but he had better plans in store (Which are still unfolding to this day) So you mean to tell me Minato will lose against these two? Lol

Nothing in all my post have mentioned darui, not even once.
You said darui alone can beat the brothers. What you failed to get is that its because of the two previous victims that allowed him to figure out how the brothers techniques work.

Even after sealing kinkaku, he got help sealing ginkaku because he couldnt handle him alone when he transformed
Do you actually believe if darui was be himself against the brothers he wouldve won.


At the highlighted part minato didnt take down a tailed beast. You must be confusing him with the 3rd raikage U_U

 

[Dratasy]

Nothing in all my post have mentioned darui, not even once.
You said darui alone can beat the brothers. What you failed to get is that its because of the two previous victims that allowed him to figure out how the brothers techniques work.

Even after sealing kinkaku, he got help sealing ginkaku because he couldnt handle him alone when he transformed
Do you actually believe if darui was be himself against the brothers he wouldve won.


At the highlighted part minato didnt take down a tailed beast. You must be confusing him with the 3rd raikage U_U

You didn't mention Darui, I did as an example, nothing more nothing less lol. Doesn't matter, Darui still outsmarted the brothers and used their weapons against them, that's a victory especially since he pushed one as far as to go into chakra mode while also defeating the other.

Sorry but you're saying Minato didn't defeat Kurama? Go back and read the manga

 

[unnamed shinobi]

minato for sure. he is too fast for them

 

[Blaze Release]

You didn't mention Darui, I did as an example, nothing more nothing less lol. Doesn't matter, Darui still outsmarted the brothers and used their weapons against them, that's a victory especially since he pushed one as far as to go into chakra mode while also defeating the other.

Sorry but you're saying Minato didn't defeat Kurama? Go back and read the manga

He outsmarted them because he was able to figure out their moves due to having two of his team members fall victim to it.
If it was him alone from the beginning, he wouldve been sealed with little effort.

Btw we all know minato didnt defeat the fox and you ask me to go back and read the manga

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

You didn't mention Darui, I did as an example, nothing more nothing less lol. Doesn't matter, Darui still outsmarted the brothers and used their weapons against them, that's a victory especially since he pushed one as far as to go into chakra mode while also defeating the other.

Sorry but you're saying Minato didn't defeat Kurama? Go back and read the manga

heck when kinkaku goes bijuu mode darui shit his pants

 

[Dratasy]

He outsmarted them because he was able to figure out their moves due to having two of his team members fall victim to it.
If it was him alone from the beginning, he wouldve been sealed with little effort.

Btw we all know minato didnt defeat the fox and you ask me to go back and read the manga

Darui Reply: Your point? He still won, that's like me saying filler is actually important, it doesn't matter how the fight goes down, it matters who comes out on top, and Darui finished that fight to the point where one brother was gone and it pissed the other one off enough to go crazy, after he transformed that was when Darui could not do anything to win.

Minato Reply: We do read the same Manga correct?

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How is that not Minato defeating Kurama? Minato clearly saved the village, he clearly made it to where Kurama could do absolutely nothing to stop Minato, do you honestly think Kurama wanted to be sealed so he just let it happen and thanked Minato for it? There was nothing Kurama could do, and it even came down to it where Minato stopped anyone from helping, even Hiruzen, and in the same process as sealing the fox (Twice may I add) he also saved baby Naruto when Kurama tried one last attempt at winning by killing his soon to be host that way Minato would have nothing to seal him inside. So yes please go back and read the manga

heck when kinkaku goes bijuu mode darui shit his pants

Haha yeah

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

the reason why minato can easily seal kurama because kushina chain hold down the fox, without that there is no way minato can seal it