[VS] Kimmimaro VS Neji

[Private Investigator]

Chidori smashes through the defense? But didn't Kidomaru specifically point out the fact that the gold blocks Chakra?

That's where I honestly feel you're getting it wrong...I thought this was the case before also. You can't share feats. You also bring up the pores when the pores were only brought up in the manga to show where the sticky stiff came out from. Kidomaru specifically states the armor blocks all chakra. Is there any thing to suggest in the entire manga that bones have the ability to block chakra too?

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Kidomaru's golden armor blocks chakra from entering his system. It doesn't block chakra from connecting with it. Go read up on the technique, before you blast me with incorrect information Jinrou. The blows of Gentle Fist could even be seen damaging, then crumbling Kidomaru's defense.

 

[Simbv]

I keep speculating because i have no manga facts

You now have the burden of proof between two different debaters.

1.Bones can block chakra
2.Neji can't potentially destroy anything made of chakra

Optional:Kimi's newly produced bones don't contain chakra points.

 

[Private Investigator]

You now have the burden of proof between two different debaters.

1.Bones can block chakra
2.Neji can't potentially destroy anything made of chakra

Optional:Kimi's newly produced bones don't contain chakra points.

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In Jinrou's case it's misconception. In your case, it's ignorance. I can put up with misconception, but ignorance in itself is a matter I can't stand all to well.

I'll get someone to look in on this real quick. Give me a second.

 

[Simbv]

I have no manga facts

Not ignorance, you speculate that Neji can't destroy bones, even though they are made of chakra, because its a hard material. That is simply dumb. That's going against the manga itself. We don't know the makeup of Kido's golden skin anyway, but you keep using that as a comparison. Also dumb. WE know that bones have chakra, we know that Jyuken can potentially destroy anything made of chakra. Because thats what the manga explicitly states.BUt nah that's not good enough for you because you don't want to be wrong. Also dumb. You also keep ignoring my point about Kimi's newly produced points not having tenketsu. But, yeah keep on speculating. As far as I'm concerned you have been backed into a corner where you can't supply manga evidence so you keep speculating. The debating is over.

 

[Private Investigator]

Not ignorance, you speculate that Neji can't destroy bones, even though they are made of chakra, because its a hard material. That is simply dumb. That's going against the manga itself. We don't know the makeup of Kido's golden skin anyway, but you keep using that as a comparison. Also dumb. WE know that bones have chakra, we know that Jyuken can potentially destroy anything made of chakra. Because thats what the manga explicitly states.BUt nah that's not good enough for you because you don't want to be wrong. Also dumb. You also keep ignoring my point about Kimi's newly produced points not having tenketsu. But, yeah keep on speculating. As far as I'm concerned you have been backed into a corner where you can't supply manga evidence so you keep speculating. The debating is over.

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No, it's not going against the manga. Neji stated Gentle Fist could destroy anything made up of chakra correct. But he didn't explain the prerequisites in order to do so. Like I stated three times now, in every instance there's either been an entry way for the Gentle Fist's chakra to enter, or the chakra has been exposed completely; Water Prison, and the human body.

In no other case, has Gentle Fist been used to destroy SOLID MATERIAL with no path of entry. If there isn't a path of entry to insert chakra, then the Hyuga's chakra cannot connect with the targeted chakra to destroy it.

Kimimaro's bones offer no path of entry. They cannot be destroyed unless they have an entry way into them, to destroy the "chakra" that's molded them together.

 

[KidGamer65]

Private Investigator is obviously correct overall. I'll have to look into this more to see if it's true that Gentle Fist chakra can only destroy things if it can get inside them argument tho. Gentle Fist can destroy things made of chakra. Bones aren't made of chakra. Chakra influences the growth of the bones and makes them larger and stronger. Bones themselves aren't made of chakra once again, meaning Gentle Fist doesn't destroy them as it can only destroy chakra or chakra based materials.

Saying he can wreck all bones with Gentle Fist is like saying he can destroy Gaara's Sand or Mokuton. :lol Come on.

 

[Jinrou]

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Kidomaru makes it pretty clear it blocks all chakra though... its an attribute the gold stuff has. If we're talking about pores and what not then why was Neji able to channel his chakra through Kido's web at the end? Or do webs have pores too?

Again there's nothing in the manga to suggest hiding pores would negate gentle fist if not one would simply need to stack up on metal clothing like Chouji (somewhat) and fight against them.

Meanwhile, there's nothing in the manga to suggest bones can stop chakra from flowing into them.

Also I'm not really sure the gentle fist wrecked the armor too...looks more like Kido simply got rid of it.

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[Simbv]

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Based on what? Your speculation. Based on your logic, Sasuke can't use the Asura or Human path because he hasn't shown to do so. My work is done here, get a 3rd party to look into our discussion.

 

[Private Investigator]

Private Investigator is obviously correct. Gentle Fist can destroy things made of chakra. Bones aren't made of chakra. Chakra influences the growth of the bones and makes them larger and stronger. Bones themselves aren't made of chakra once again, meaning Gentle Fist doesn't destroy them as it can only destroy chakra or chakra based materials.

Saying he can wreck all bones with Gentle Fist is like saying he can destroy Gaara's Sand or Mokuton. :lol Come on.

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Thank you.

But even then, lets say they are made of chakra, just to humor Simbv. How does the Hyuga's chakra enter a solid substance with no entry way? It doesn't correct.

 

[Simbv]

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Kidomaru makes it pretty clear it blocks all chakra though... its an attribute the gold stuff has. If we're talking about pores and what not then why was Neji able to channel his chakra through Kido's web at the end? Or do webs have pores too?

Again there's nothing in the manga to suggest hiding pores would negate gentle fist if not one would simply need to stack up on metal clothing like Chouji (somewhat) and fight against them.

Meanwhile, there's nothing in the manga to suggest bones can stop chakra from flowing into them.

Also I'm not really sure the gentle fist wrecked the armor too...looks more like Kido simply got rid of it.

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This right here.

 

[Simbv]

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Yeah he isn't biased at all, he was just arguing that Kimi wins the fight lol! Bones are organs, organs contain chakra. Manga Fact. WE don't know the make up of gaara's sand armor, just that he uses chakra to make it. I'm not even going to answer you because it doesn't matter in the end and you also havn't answered my question.

 

[Private Investigator]

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Kidomaru makes it pretty clear it blocks all chakra though... its an attribute the gold stuff has. If we're talking about pores and what not then why was Neji able to channel his chakra through Kido's web at the end? Or do webs have pores too?

Again there's nothing in the manga to suggest hiding pores would negate gentle fist if not one would simply need to stack up on metal clothing like Chouji (somewhat) and fight against them.

Meanwhile, there's nothing in the manga to suggest bones can stop chakra from flowing into them.

Also I'm not really sure the gentle fist wrecked the armor too...looks more like Kido simply got rid of it.

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Kidomaru's golden armor is capable of reinstating itself upon surfacing. We've actually no idea if Neji broke through it or not. So on that, I will leave at that.

On the other note. It blocks all chakra from entering his system. Read what he said before about the Hyuga's technique. Kishimoto created this technique specifically for this fight, think about it, use the information that's blatantly in front of you. It blocks chakra from entering Kidomaru's body, it doesn't block chakra from making contact. That makes zero sense. How would it extinguish the lightning created for Chidori? Give me one plausible way. You can't, because it makes no sense.

Lord have mercy.

For the rest, go read KidGamer's post.

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I'm done here. If you want to have an official debate on this Simbv I'm open to that. Then we'll have judges depict on who's right, or wrong, and you'll finally have to concede. Are you willing to do that?

 

[Icelerate]

Neji had to grab the web and channel chakra through it for that to work. If he tries to do that here he gets killed. Simple jabs won't work. Not to mention that only worked because Kidomaru's web had chakra in it.

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That's not how Kimimaro's bones work.

If what you were saying is true, then gentle fist should not be able to effect the internal body because it has to get through skin. No reason why bones will be different. Also,the fact they get stronger in CS2 implies they get stronger because the chakra in the bones is now stronger.

Why would simply jabs not work? If they can work against skin, they should work against bone. The only difference is that bone is more durable but that's irrelevant against gentle fist.

That doesn't matter because Neji can't kill him before he decides to use it nor does intel matter in terms of whether or not he'll use it. It only matters in terms of "will he" use it.

Don't you mean, "in terms of when will he use it"?

 

[Jinrou]

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It blocks all chakra from entering his system? Was that said in the databook? Because in the manga scan you posted, he doesn't say such.
Yes I agree Kishi made the jutsu for this fight but Kidomaru's statement doesn't imply blocking pores stops chakra from entering.

For the Chidori part, I'm basing it on the fact that Kido says in the manga that the gold blocks Chakra. If it's as he said, the Chidori (which is made of lightning chakra right? Can't recollect lol) simply doesn't pass through.

I think you're misunderstanding something btw..I'm not saying it destroys the bones..I'm simply trying to say the bones don't stop the chakra from passing through. Which is why I asked if Web have pores because we clearly see in the manga Neji channeling his chakra through a Web.

 

[Private Investigator]

If what you were saying is true, then gentle fist should not be able to effect the internal body because it has to get through skin. No reason why bones will be different. Also,the fact they get stronger in CS2 implies they get stronger because the chakra in the bones is now stronger.

Why would simply jabs not work? If they can work against skin, they should work against bone. The only difference is that bone is more durable but that's irrelevant against gentle fist.

Don't you mean, "in terms of when will he use it"?

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Skin has pours. Pours = Entry for chakra. Chakra entry = Enables Hyuga to attack internally. Bones do not possess such, disallowing for the Hyuga's Gentle Fist chakra from penetrating into Kimimaro's body. Simple.

It blocks all chakra from entering his system? Was that said in the databook? Because in the manga scan you posted, he doesn't say such.
Yes I agree Kishi made the jutsu for this fight but Kidomaru's statement doesn't imply blocking pores stops chakra from entering.

For the Chidori part, I'm basing it on the fact that Kido says in the manga that the gold blocks Chakra. If it's as he said, the Chidori (which is made of lightning chakra right? Can't recollect lol) simply doesn't pass through.

I think you're misunderstanding something btw..I'm not saying it destroys the bones..I'm simply trying to say the bones don't stop the chakra from passing through. Which is why I asked if Web have pores because we clearly see in the manga Neji channeling his chakra through a Web.

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The manga scan I posted says it blocks chakra. It blocks chakra from entering his body. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. Here, I'll shoot a rhetorical question at you: Since Kidomaru's golden armor blocks ALL chakra, Madara uses a large senju DNA powered katon at Kidomaru. Does he roasted?

Or how about this. Sasuke uses Chidori Spear while Kidomaru's golden armor is active. Does he get pierced? The obvious answers are yes.

For Chidori, the lightning is simply to enhance the penetrating power, the brunt of the attack will still be subjected to Kidomaru, piercing, and killing him. Like I said before you can't give me one plausible reason as to how golden armor diminishes lightning chakra. It's stupid to even think such.

Listen. Have you ever touched a web? A web is silky, grainy even. It's mushy, and you can easily form an incision with just brief touch. Kidomaru's webs prove to be no different, albeit thicker in properties.

 

[Icelerate]

Skin has pours. Pours = Entry for chakra. Chakra entry = Enables Hyuga to attack internally. Bones do not possess such, disallowing for the Hyuga's Gentle Fist chakra from penetrating into Kimimaro's body. Simple.

Sounds plausible but I'll check the manga sometime to see if your explanation holds. What do you think about doton domu and lightning armour?

 

[Private Investigator]

Sounds plausible but I'll check the manga sometime to see if your explanation holds. What do you think about doton domu and lightning armour?

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It does hold. Feel free to browse all you like.

Kakuzu's Doton: Domu simply hardens his skin, it doesn't close his pours enabling Gentle Fist to be effective, along with wearing the Doton chakra on the outside. Doton: Domu is a suicide technique vs a Hyuga. Lightning Armor would be similar to a Hyuga striking at Susano'o. The chakra would be disrupted, but the application could be reinstated nigh immediately.

 

[BLAZE]

also about Vaccum palm doing Internal damage shouldn't Kaguya's vaccum attack have done internal damage to RSM naruto since it has already been shown that hinata's gentle fist worked on KCM Naruto

 

[Simbv]

also about Vaccum palm doing Internal damage shouldn't Kaguya's vaccum attack have done internal damage to RSM naruto since it has already been shown that hinata's gentle fist worked on KCM Naruto

Those two techniques are similar but different. Air palm is a blast shot from your palm and uses Byakugan to target vital spots. God fist is chakra manifested as fist to cause blunt force damage.

 

[BLAZE]

Those two techniques are similar by different. Air palm is a blast shot from your palm. God fist is chakra manifested as fist to cause blunt force damage.

still the point is since it uses Byakugan and is similiar to hyuga's vaccum palm it will do internal damage and that should be much worse than what vaccum palm will do

Eighty Gods Vacuum Attack (八十神空撃, Yasogami Kūgeki) is a Kekkei Mora taijutsu used by Kaguya, made possible by her mastery of chakra. She loads chakra into her palm, and then unleashes it as a barrage of countless fists. The fist attacks can also be used defensively, and when coupled with Kaguya's perfect dojutsu, it has the potential to become the strongest offensive ability. The Hyuga clan uses a similar vacuum palm attack, Eight Trigrams Vacuum Palm, but there is a wide gulf in power between the two.

still it was not even implied that naruto recieved internal damage