Kimimaro vs. SM Naruto

[Turson]

That's true indeed, though that does not necessarily prove his speed. He intentionally aimed for Raikage's arm, and his sensing abilities helped him to 'predict'/dodge the attack - that's why he switched to Sennin Modo in the first place. Left panel in the middle.

I know about that, but without formidable speed Naruto wouldnt be able to do what he did.

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-> Note how close 3rd was to him, consider also how ridiculously fast Raikages are.

Moreover neither Jiraiya nor Naruto showed any impressive speed skills during their fights with Pain.

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But Kimimaro's still superior in terms of Taijutsu. By far.

Woudnt say so. Frog Katas is the best Taijutsu style in manga.

 

[FloriGlori]

I know about that, but without formidable speed Naruto wouldnt be able to do what he did.

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-> Note how close 3rd was to him, consider also how ridiculously fast Raikages are.

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Woudnt say so. Frog Katas is the best Taijutsu style in manga.

Never denied that, yet it were his sensing abilities that enabled him to do so. That accomplishment doesn't automatically put him on Kimimaro's level.

1. A mere kick. I don't see anything special about that.

2. The only fast thing here is the speed of Jiraiya forming a Rasengan.

3. Nothing special as well, considering there is Shunshin no Jutsu and most of all Naruto's sensing abilities.

I would say so. Not just the difference of 1.5 points according to the databooks, but except the final dance each of Kimimaro's bone-attacks are considered Taijutsu.

 

[Turson]

Never denied that, yet it were his sensing abilities that enabled him to do so. That accomplishment doesn't automatically put him on Kimimaro's level.

It was both, sensing + speed. Considering this is 3rd Raikage we are talking about, I put SM Narutos speed above Kimimaros.

1. A mere kick. I don't see anything special about that.

No, Im talking about how fast he get to them.

2. The only fast thing here is the speed of Jiraiya forming a Rasengan.

Same as above.

3. Nothing special as well, considering there is Shunshin no Jutsu and most of all Naruto's sensing abilities.

You know, if we put aside space/time jutsus every character is fast just becuase of Shunshin. Even A speed, who is enhancing his physical attributes with Bijuu level chakra, is based on that technique.

Not just the difference of 1.5 points according to the databooks, but except the final dance each of Kimimaro's bone-attacks are considered Taijutsu.

I know, but Frog Katas turns even avarage Taijutsu user into death machine. User can not only react immediately to everything that happens around him (in fact, its even better than Sharingans movement prediction. Kakashi wasnt able to dodge Sasukes arrow without Kamui, Kabuto didnt have such problems), but deals blows that arent visible even for Doujutsu users.

 

[Memoria]

SM Naruto wins with medium difficulty, some people are greatly underestimating the Sage Mode and Frog Kata taijutsu style.

 

[-Cerberus-]

XDXDXD how can he beat sage naruto

 

[FloriGlori]

It was both, sensing + speed. Considering this is 3rd Raikage we are talking about, I put SM Narutos speed above Kimimaros.

Indeed, it was both, that's why I acknowledge his speed as equal to Kimimaro's. But not any higher. Considering that Sandaime Raikage moved slower than his son and Naruto sensed his movements with Sennin Modo, dodging that attack is no watertight proof of extraordinary speed.

No, Im talking about how fast he get to them.

Jiraiya didn't really move, it was only a kick. A fast one indeed, but that's to be expected from a character with 4.5 at both speed and Taijutsu. Only the power of the kick came from Sennin Modo.

Same as above.

I don't see anything special here either. Since Sennin Modo increases the user's raw physical power, Jiraiya used more power to push off the wall, therefore he quickly reached Gakido. It wasn't even instantly. Sasuke, whose speed matched that of Jiraiya, covered smaller distances in an instant. So even without Sennin Modo's strength enhancement something like that would've been possible for Jiraiya.

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You know, if we put aside space/time jutsus every character is fast just becuase of Shunshin. Even A speed, who is enhancing his physical attributes with Bijuu level chakra, is based on that technique.

I don't disagree. However, due to Naruto's sensing abilities, I don't see anything special about Naruto's move. As I said before, I'm not denying that Sennin Modo increases the user's speed - but only to some extent. Assuming that Naruto's base speed grew from 3.5 to 4.0, Sennin Modo grants him a speed of 4.5 for example, which would render him equal to Kimimaro; but it doesn't grant him a speed of 5.0.

I know, but Frog Katas turns even avarage Taijutsu user into death machine. User can not only react immediately to everything that happens around him (in fact, its even better than Sharingans movement prediction. Kakashi wasnt able to dodge Sasukes arrow without Kamui, Kabuto didnt have such problems), but deals blows that arent visible even for Doujutsu users.

I'm not denying that either, but the same can be said about Kimimaro's Shikotsumyaku. Those bones can appear anytime, at any part of his body, totally unpredictable. They can even be shot to keep the enemy at arm's length. Frog Kumite is basicly just one move, Kimimaro on the other hand is specialized in Taijutsu and his bone-attacks can vary. That's why he's the (way) better Taijutsu user in my oppinion.

 

[Minator93]

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SM Naruto Rapes...try to be more sensible from now on.

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[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

once kimi pull that Dance of the Seedling Fern

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he can pop out everywhere from that bone

 

[HNIC]

once kimi pull that Dance of the Seedling Fern

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he can pop out everywhere from that bone

exactly!!

 

[home]

i actually think kimimaro would have a chance

 

[yuan of cruxis]

Kimimaro's taijutsu skills surpass Naruto's and with his unpredictable tactics I dont see Naruto winning this fight.

Yes

 

[yuan of cruxis]

I made this exact same thread last week

 

[HNIC]

i actually think kimimaro would have a chance

finally

 

[LeafHurricane7]

if thrown he could easily dodge it bro, if Naruto gets close Kimimaro can also extend his bones to attack his opponents without having to adjust his own movement.

Ummmm have you seen the blast radius of the Rasenshuriken when it explodes?! Unless Kimmimaro can fly, which he can't...he is getting caught in that explosion. Plus Naruto's skin in sage mode is very tough, Kimmimaro's bones would do little to no damage on him. The Natural energy that Naruto has absorbed to get into Sage mode will automatically regenerate his wounds. He is way strong and faster than Kimmimaro in sage mode. His Frog Kata has way more agility and strength and it is a spontaneous fighting style. we all saw how Kimmimaro could handle Rock Lee's spontaneous Drunken fist style, he was getting owned. Naruto's Senjutsu is a shit loads better than Kimmimaro's curse mark empowered jutsu. Jutsus like Sage Art: Odama & Super Odama Rasengan, Sage Art: Super Odama Rasengan Barrage (the one he used on the nine tails) Sage Art: Rasengan Barrage, & lets not forget the special Sage Art: Rasenshuriken which he can THROW. Then with the sage multi-shadow clone jutsu...c'mon man Kimmimaro is getting outstripped in every department. SM Naruto CRUSHES Kimmimaro no sweat. Thank You.

 

[LeafHurricane7]

once kimi pull that Dance of the Seedling Fern

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he can pop out everywhere from that bone

Naruto can simply sense his charkra and evade or counter it...u guyz kno nothing about Naruto frankly and should brush up on the manga and the anime smh

 

[LeafHurricane7]

That's true indeed, though that does not necessarily prove his speed. He intentionally aimed for Raikage's arm, and his sensing abilities helped him to 'predict'/dodge the attack - that's why he switched to Sennin Modo in the first place. Left panel in the middle.

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There's nothing said about Sennin Modo increasing the user's speed. Even though I think that it increases all physical abilities, including speed, I don't think that it makes a 3.5 character like Naruto as fast as Kimimaro with 4.5. Moreover neither Jiraiya nor Naruto showed any impressive speed skills during their fights with Pain. But considering that Naruto most likely got faster since the latest databoook, it might render them equal in terms of speed, that much I agree. But Kimimaro's still superior in terms of Taijutsu. By far.

This is quoted straight off of Narutopedia, "The user's physical strength, speed, stamina, reflexes, and durability dramatically increase." dra....mati...cally so yes he will be faster than Kimmimaro. Those are the FACTS!