[VS] Kimimaro Vs Kakuzu

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Kimimaru cannot tank any of Kakuzu's attacks.

Kimmi was amazed Sand Coffin's Pressure from the attack:

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Now compare that from tanking this air pressure?:

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No Kimi gets obliterated.

Best-Case-Scenario: Every living thing from his body is destroyed and he becomes Exoskeleton

what a fanboy

 

[Pekoms]

Assuming kimimaro has seeking fern out, how would you say kakuzu defeats him? Kimi has many places to pop out from. You're saying that kakuzu destroys the bones?

Katon: Intelligent Hard Work + Fūton: Pressure Damage

As previously explained, Kimimaro cannot simply 'tank' such a combination, not without critical injuries/death.

As far as your last question, the point was that the combination would simply spread beyond the bones.​

 

[genii96]

Given that Kimimaro clearly states he formed the bone mask under his skin, there's no way his eyes were protected.
It's evident that not all parts of his body may be protected [

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• the only way his eyes would have been damaged by the Sand Burial would be if his skull was crushed

Kimimaro never formed a 'bone shield', that is an invalid argument:

• Dance of the Seedling Fern wouldn't negate an attack that engulfed a considerable range, not when Fūton is added

Posters have elaborated on how Kakuzu could evade Dance of the Seedling Fern, though Doton: Earth Spear suffices.

• there really wouldn't be a need to seperate his masks, especially against a solitary foe

sand coffin,puts pressure on every part of the body,so he can somehow protect his eyes,what stops him from using his bones on his arms to cover his face anyway?. If kimimaro could form a bone spear, a bone whip with his spine,and even a bone flute as evidenced by kabuto,what stops him from forming a bone shield?,it's just a mass of bones he pulls from his body and places in his front to block the attack isnt it?. Also he can just close hs eyes,there is flesh there if he closes his eyes. Honestly if he could use his bones t form a drill which is even harder than a shield to form,what stops him from making a shield?,going by your logic,kakuzu cant fly higher than has been seen,and neither can his masks.

The range of the fire dosent matter,just the part that hits kimimaro,which he can block.

The only true counter given to bone forest is domu,because there is no way you can say that kakuzu or his masks can fly a distance of 200m in a second or 2 without even any prior warning to the jutsu.

It dosent matter what kakuzu does,he still will be trapped in a bone forest,and kimi can jot out any of the THOUSANDS of bones there. How doeas kakuzu even know where to harden or defend from?

 

[Curse Mark]

I don't see how anything kimimaro has will damage kakazu and in saying that kimimaros bones arnt made of steel or anything stronger than that.

LMFAO. They are actually as hard as reinforced steel. Gg no re buddy.

 

[Obito3631]

I wasn't the one who mentioned bone shield. At least learn to read.
Kimimaro has 4.5 taijutsu and speed in the data book. Kakazu has 4's. Everything's contradicting your 'kimimaro can't dodge the masks'. You've proceed no evidence he can't dodge the attacks. You provided no evidence that some of his attacks could get through his layer of bone which is also called near invincible. You have 0 evidence for everything you say. Seriously just get out of my thread. Provide evidence for the nonsense you talk next time. Just go seat back and wait for someone intelligent to actually prove how kakuzu wins because apparently you don't know how

Oh my god, your stupidity is beyond comical I'm laughing my ass off right now.
Kakuzu's speed =/= his masks speed, at least learn few facts about the databook before getting yourself into this.
I provided no evidence? I don't know if you're doing this on purpose or you're just straight up retarded.I have provided plenty of evidences but apparently you were not intelligent enough to comprehend them. You think his bones can tank Atsugai + Gian + Zokkoku however you have provided no evidences that they are capable of such tanking power. You think he can evade Kakuzu's attacks while Kakashi wasn't able to without using a suiton jutsu Kimmimaro doesn't have, yet they have the same speed stats. You think Kimmimaro is as fast as Minato or the 4th Raikage and that he can dodge any attacks Kakuzu throws at him yet Kakashi is just as fast as Kimmi and he survived this fight thanks to his sharingan , another attribute Kimmimaro doesn't possess. If he tries to dodge Raiton Gian then he can simply surprise him with his Fuuton mask and game over, he isn't fast enough to dodge 2 masks at the same time. But according to you and your flawed logic Kimmimaro is just as fast as the 4th Raikage.
You're the only one who can't see the logic here when everyone on this thread can, stupid kid, me and everyone on this thread are repeating the same arguments which consists of Kakuzu incapacitating if not killing Kimmimaro with his masks and Kimmimaro not being able to pierce through Domu and, which you still haven't been able to refute.
You should just walk away with your tail between your legs since you're clearly not intelligent enough for this.

 

[Zexion~]

Even Though he can Pop Up With seedling fern anywhere he wants whats that going to do kakuzu was shown to have quick reflexes and reaction time.. He could easily Instigate Domu And Block Kimis attack and thats IF he even gets to use Braken dance .... Kakuzu would finish him before he even had the chance

 

[AGoodBoy]

Oh my god, your stupidity is beyond comical I'm laughing my ass off right now.
Kakuzu's speed =/= his masks speed, at least learn few facts about the databook before getting yourself into this.
I provided no evidence? I don't know if you're doing this on purpose or you're just straight up retarded.I have provided plenty of evidences but apparently you were not intelligent enough to comprehend them. You think his bones can tank Atsugai + Gian + Zokkoku however you have provided no evidences that they are capable of such tanking power. You think he can evade Kakuzu's attacks while Kakashi wasn't able to without using a suiton jutsu Kimmimaro doesn't have, yet they have the same speed stats. You think Kimmimaro is as fast as Minato or the 4th Raikage and that he can dodge any attacks Kakuzu throws at him yet Kakashi is just as fast as Kimmi and he survived this fight thanks to his sharingan , another attribute Kimmimaro doesn't possess. If he tries to dodge Raiton Gian then he can simply surprise him with his Fuuton mask and game over, he isn't fast enough to dodge 2 masks at the same time. But according to you and your flawed logic Kimmimaro is just as fast as the 4th Raikage.
You're the only one who can't see the logic here when everyone on this thread can, stupid kid, me and everyone on this thread are repeating the same arguments which consists of Kakuzu incapacitating if not killing Kimmimaro with his masks and Kimmimaro not being able to pierce through Domu and, which you still haven't been able to refute.
You should just walk away with your tail between your legs since you're clearly not intelligent enough for this.

Please stop looking at this thread. I've finally find 2 other people who can make a case for kakuzu without resorting to childish insults due to your obvious inferiority complex. If you can't argue your case, sit back and shut up. I have nothing more to say to you.

Present your entire case as concise as possible in your next post. I'll counter everything there, as well as show why Kimmimaro can't harm Kakzuu nor his masks.

Alright i'll see how much i want to type... Tailed beast already made a good case for kakuzu, so let me give it a shot.

 

[ILikeBigYolos]

Kakuzu mid diff

 

[Pekoms]

sand coffin,puts pressure on every part of the body,so he can somehow protect his eyes,what stops him from using his bones on his arms to cover his face anyway?. If kimimaro could form a bone spear, a bone whip with his spine,and even a bone flute as evidenced by kabuto,what stops him from forming a bone shield?,it's just a mass of bones he pulls from his body and places in his front to block the attack isnt it?. Also he can just close hs eyes,there is flesh there if he closes his eyes. Honestly if he could use his bones t form a drill which is even harder than a shield to form,what stops him from making a shield?,going by your logic,kakuzu cant fly higher than has been seen,and neither can his masks.

The range of the fire dosent matter,just the part that hits kimimaro,which he can block.

The only true counter given to bone forest is domu,because there is no way you can say that kakuzu or his masks can fly a distance of 200m in a second or 2 without even any prior warning to the jutsu.

It dosent matter what kakuzu does,he still will be trapped in a bone forest,and kimi can jot out any of the THOUSANDS of bones there. How doeas kakuzu even know where to harden or defend from?

It clearly doesn't put pressure on every single part of one's body, otherwise we'd have been able to see all of his teeth.

My logic? In the VS section, debaters go by manga feats, otherwise any sort of nonsensical statement could be used.

I've not specifically used the ability of flight as a means of evasion, Doton: Earth Spear would be more suitable.

He may appear from anywhere but there is still time to react. Kakuzu doesn't even need seals for partial protection.

• given that Kakuzu would have no reason to believe Kimimaro was dead, he'd still be on his guard

 

[TheTailedSage]

LMFAO. They are actually as hard as reinforced steel. Gg no re buddy.

Proof? And even if it was kakazu can still break it

Daimond>any form of steel

 

[Pekoms]

Proof? And even if it was kakazu can still break it

Daimond>any form of steel

Not taking a specific side in regards to this post and the post in which it was in response to. Regardless, the proof is

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[DoubleAgentItachi]

Kakuzu is a long range fighter while Kimimaro is a short range. I think Kakuzu would win.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I can't believe Kimi's durability is getting overrated right now. His bones were destroyed by the hardest minerals.

Lightening release (That canceled out one of the strongest piercing jutsu, Chidori/Rakiri) will break through it
Earth release (Harder minerals then Gaara's) Diamond morph breaks through it

Wind by it's self annihilates his skin
Fire by it self annihilates his skin

 

[Curse Mark]

Not taking a specific side in regards to this post and the post in which it was in response to. Regardless, the proof is

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Or if you did any research on him or paid attention to the manga this would have been obvious.

 

[genii96]

It clearly doesn't put pressure on every single part of one's body, otherwise we'd have been able to see all of his teeth.

My logic? In the VS section, debaters go by manga feats, otherwise any sort of nonsensical statement could be used.

I've not specifically used the ability of flight as a means of evasion, Doton: Earth Spear would be more suitable.

He may appear from anywhere but there is still time to react. Kakuzu doesn't even need seals for partial protection.

• given that Kakuzu would have no reason to believe Kimimaro was dead, he'd still be on his guard

when someone is hit by a sand coffin,they are reduced t a pile of blood with no remnants at all. Meaning ever part is utterly crushed,which means every part feels pressure exerted. Even if a sand coffin didny,then a desert funeral would,as it is a continous flow of pressure strong enough that it is actually felt as tremors above strong enough to almost disbalance lee,and it was several,not just one,you think that didnt put pressure everywhere?. Yes,domu saves him,but his masks get destroyed,and he cant keep up guarding from everywhere forever,kimi can come from below,behind his left,right,anywhere,he will eventually get caught.

Proof? And even if it was kakazu can still break it

Daimond>any form of steel

in hardness,yes,which means it cant be caught. In strength?,i could take a hammer and crush a diamond,it is very brittle,glass is also harder than steel,but steel is stronger. Diamond is the hardest substance,but very brittle

 

[AGoodBoy]

Present your entire case as concise as possible in your next post. I'll counter everything there, as well as show why Kimmimaro can't harm Kakzuu nor his masks.

Here you go. ~Be Warned, It's Extremely long. And I mean extremely long. Couldn't even be bothered to proof read. XD

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Kakuzu's Speed

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From these two we can see that kakuzu snuck up on shikamaru. He was completely unaware, but still had the presence of mind and agility to flee. Keep in mind that they did not know where kakuzu was at all at this point.

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He has also demonstrated some impressive speed, although this can be chocked up to the fact that he contained the element of surprise with this attack. Even so, his speed here cannot be overlooked.

Kakuzu's Defence

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Domu. This jutsu allows him to harden his skin to extreme degrees. His skin becomes virtually impenetrable. This jutsu has two downsides, however, lightning release is able to penetrate it and there's a loss of mobility in the hardened body part.

Kakuzu also contains a total of 5 hearts, which essentially give him 5 hearts. But, Each of his hearts are not impervious to damage and once a mask is broken, one of his hearts die with it.

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It is also possible to kill kakuzu directly to eliminate one of his hearts. If this were the case, and he did not have his masks in him, one of the masks would have to recombine with his body to revive him.

Kakuzu's Offence

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Kakuzu is able to use all five nature release + a Fire-Air combination jutsu.

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All very impressive abilities, but as can be seen, they were all dogged. The most dangerous attacks to kimimaro would be the lightning and fire attacks, and as we can see, the fire attack was dodged easily by everyone, including fat chouji. The reason these attacks are the most dangerous to him is that they cause more than a 'force' damage; They create burns and shocks. The burns from the fire could heat kimimaro's internals enough to kill him, even through the bone armor. The shock from the lightning attacks could cause nerve severe nerve damage which could intern cause a cardiac arrest or other internal shock injuries. The air mask creates high pressure, and as I'll soon discuss, kimimaro is able to withstand tremendous pressure. Even if the air were to rip his skin apart, the fact that it would not be able to get past the underlying bone makes it ineffective. Kimimaro has shown time and time again to survive his skin being blasted off. The water mask (abilities never shown, therefore can't be brought into this debate anyway), would most likely create some sort of impact damage from the wave blast. This sort of phsycal damage, will again, not hurt kimimaro.

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And the most controversal of them all.
Read the and study the images properly.
In the first image, the fire is within point blank range of kakashi, there have been no signs that he's actually started his water jutsu yet. All we see is a fire at kakashi's face and, what appears to be, him either starting to jump back or flung back by the force of the blast.
Next. We see kakashi in the air a conciderable distance from the attack. He's moved a conciderable distance already. He is further away in his jump than he was on the ground, and now is the point he uses the water jutsu. He realises that water isn't going to work and is still able to jump once again at a much faster speed than the jutsu is able to move.
The final page shows kakuzu flanking kakashi while his fire is in the background. Notice the distance kakashi has covered again. This shows that this attack is also not that quick. Infact, the 'quickest' attack would probably be the wind one but that's because it was point blank due to hidan's combination assisstance.

As far as i'm aware, these masks have shown zero taijutsu prowess. In order to get within point blank range of their target, they need to either have a distraction, be quicker than the opponent, or be a more skilled taijutsu fighter than the opponent.

He's also able to use his threads to extend his limbs for long ranged taijutsu attacks, or directly use his chakra threads to attempt to restrain or steal a persons' heart. But, He won't be able to pierce through kimimaro's bone, with his thread, to steal a heart. Nothing states that his threads are strong enough for such a feat, especially considering kimimaro's bone is far harder than regular bone.

He has able to disconnect the masks from his body so that their fight as a seperate entity allowing him to out number his enemies.

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Or, he can keep the masks within his body and enter his 'grudge fear mode' so that he is able to use the masks while within him.

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In this form, he's able to attack with his threads and his masks to form combination attacks.
And, honestly, I'm not sure of a defence against his threads. In this form he really is pretty incredible. The best defence kimimaro has against this is his seedling fern. His best bet would be to hide within his surroundings and away from the threads.

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Kimimaro's Abilties

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Kimimaro is a fighter who has a special keikei genkei which allows him to manipulate the osteoclastes and osteoblasts of his bones. This allows him to control the density of his bone to make them incredibly hard, and to also create bones to use as weapons. He has also shown the ability to heal from wounds. To what degree he contains this ability is unknown.

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Just an example of him healing a wound.

Kimimaro was also strong enough to take on the sound 4 effortlessly, showing a significant level of skill. Kimimaro also has an earth curse seal. Alongside the heaven curse seal, it is the strongest curse seal offered by orochimaru.

He is able to manipulate his bones as he see fits. Even able to protrude them from any part of his body at will to create a defence.

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Kimimaro also has 5 basic dances. Each dance revolving around the use of his bones. In taijutsu, close ranged combat, this makes kimimaro extremely lethal to anyone. He is able to create an offence and a defence.

But, Though he is primarily taijutsu based, he also contains a mid-long raged jutsu. He is able to fire off his phalanges at high speed. This offers him a way to attack the masks and break them from a distance, especially since they were strong enough to almost penetrate gaara's sand.

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Also In CS-V2 mode kimimaro is offered a significant strength boost. With only a simple tackle he was able to break through gaara's absolute defence.

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With this form, he's able to use another of his dances;
dance of the clemantis: vine which is able to restrain an enemy

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Dance of the clemantis: Flower; A spear with incredible power. Able to create a significant dent in shukaku ultimate defence, which was enhanced with the use of the hardest minerals in the ground.

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Though domu can survive these moves, the masks, individually, can't.

Finally, kimimaro's ultimate move:

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Dance of the seedling fern, which will pierce anything in it's way. Unless kakuzu already has his masks inside him, they will get destroyed by this attack. This attack was able to rise 200m underground, then a further – at least – 30m above ground, as can be deduced from the size of kimimaro with respect to the bone. Note that the entire length of the bone isn't shown, therefore it can be deduced that it can easily extend 250m into the air.

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And, he is able to move through any of the bone stalks at his own will to sneak up on his opponents.

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Kimimaro's Speed/taijutsu

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Kimimaro was fast enough to effortlessly combat with hundreds, if not thousands of naruto clones without sustaining a single hit. All of these clones were infused with nintailed chakra, and hence had increased speed.

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For reference, this is somewhat how fast naruto, infused with ninetail chakra, was back then.

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Fast enough to out pace a two tomoe sharingan, and warrant a three tomoe sharingan in order to keep up with his incredible speed. Yet, kimimaro was able to stand against hundreds of these without sustaining a single blow.

Kimimaro's speed extends to rock lee where he was able to keep up with rock lee effortlessly and we know that rock lee is an incredibly speedy ninja., offered a 4 in the databook. Yet, he was also unable to land a single blow in taijutsu combat. His speed, agility and taijutsu ability was even commended by lee. Lee was only able to put a bit of pressure on kimimaro when he was drunk, but even then kimimaro was able to keep up his parrying until lee was able to get in his first hit. And, this has been base kimimaro all this time. He hadn't enhanced his speed with CS yet.

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Kimimaro's speed is superb. Along with his dexterity he is able to dodge many attacks. Even dodging gaara's sand.

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Kimiaro's Defence

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kimimaro has shown some levels of healing (as shown in a previous image), where he's able to heal all wounds to his skin, but this won't be discussed further. However, he has also shown a sort of bone armor, which encases his entire body, under his skin.

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Here we see kimimaro survivng a sand coffin which is said to completely crush bone.




Kimimaro's Bone armor is incredibly resiliant. To the point that it was able to survive the pressure and force of all of gaara's attacks without any injury (apart from superficial skin injuries). The fact that this armor has shown the ability to survive tremendous pressure and force eliminates the possibility of kakuzu's attacks probably breaking through it.

Using brute force, kakuzu wouldn't get past his armor. He would need to use alternative damage, such as heat and shock to injure kimimaro. Orochimaru even goes as far as saying that this bloodline limit is able impenetrable and able to withstand any physical damage. That's right up there with domu's hype, no?

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Kimimaro Survivng the force of a desert tsunami, then the pressure of desert ultimate burial.

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Not even gaara's sand was able to restrain him, which leads me to wonder if kakuzu's threads will be able to do such a feat.

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Even when burried 200m below sand, the pressure wasn't enough to break kimimaro's bones, or restrain him.

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Now, People Argue that Kimimaro won't get through domu and he can't dodge the masks. But I ask you, why not? The masks do not engage in taijutsu, leaving ample time to dodge and kimimaro has shown his skill with fighting multiple enemies at once(naruto clones).
Kimimaro is a taijutsu fighter, and the fact is that he'd engage in taijutsu combat. Kakuzu really doesn't have a means of keeping him away from arms distance, and even kakuzu himself is a taijutsu fighter. He engages with his threads and fists with his masks for elemental support. Kakuzu won't be able to freely blast away with his masks (if they're seperate) if kimimaro is keeping the distance close. This already neutralises the threat of dealing with multiple enemies because kakuzu would be putting himself at risk. Kakuzu can't afford to not immobilize himself, with domu, while kimimaro is using his dances. Fact is, kimimaro is a solid 5 for taijutsu in the databook, along with the fact that he's able to create superb taijutsu offence and defence with his bones. If kakuzu punches, kimimaro lurches bone from his body so that kakuzu harms himself. Even in the case that kakuzu hardens his arm, he can't move the arm so it can only go in a linear direction. Kimimaro has shown ample skill to dodge such attacks. Then, there's domu's weakness. Assuming kakuzu has the masks out, he can't use the lightning mask while kimimaro is close or else he risks killing himself. It is clear that kimimaro is a better taijutsu fighter than kakuzu and is also faster than him. Kakuzu's only advantage is his ability to use long ranged abilities.
Now, Let's assume kakuzu started with earth grudge and all his 4 masks on his back. If he tries to restrain kimimaro, there is nothing suggesting that he would be able to contain the hold, as CS-V2 kimimaro has shown incredible feats of strength, able to break out of the toughest of binds. Worst case scenario, kimimaro does his seedling fern. Now, Kakuzu has to fight an entire bone forest where kimimaro can pop out from anywhere. In the end kakuzu most likely becomes overwhelmed, because even if he's able to destroy part of the forest, the jutsu can simple be used again.


DataBook Entries:
Kimimaro: Nin-4, Tai-5, Gen-3, Intellegence-3.5, strength-3, speed-4.5, stamina-4.5, hand seal-3 = 30.5
Kakuzu: Nin-5, Tai-4, Gen-3, Intellegence-4.5, strength-4, speed-4, stamina-4.5, hand seal-3.5 = 32.5
EDIT: Noticed i made a mistake with databook entries. I swapped around the entries.

Final note. Everything I've listed for kimimaro was done while he was dying, in a sick body. He pushed his body to react through sheer will power.

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[Pekoms]

Or if you did any research on him or paid attention to the manga this would have been obvious.

Seriously? Take your own advice and pay attention, it was known to me. It was posted in regards to TheTailedSage's post.

 

[Curse Mark]

Seriously? Take your own advice and pay attention, it was known to me. It was posted in regards to TheTailedSage's post.

I added my comment onto yours. I was talking to thetailedsage. Obviously you weren't the one I was responding to the person who talked to me on the thread. Sorry for your misunderstanding.

 

[Pekoms]

I added my comment onto yours. I was talking to thetailedsage. Obviously you weren't the one I was responding to the person who talked to me on the thread. Sorry for your misunderstanding.

You quoted only me and made no reference to TheTailedSage, clarity makes these things less likely to occur.

 

[Curse Mark]

You quoted only me and made no reference to TheTailedSage, clarity makes these things less likely to occur.

Thanks for the tip, d00d.