[VS] Kimimaro Vs Kakuzu

[AGoodBoy]

You can clearly see that hes doing the hand sign when the fire jutsu is coming at him, are you blind or just stupid?
He blocked the fire jutsu with a suiton leaving him time and momentum to jump back and evade. You're the one who sounds desperate trying to contradict the manga itself.

Yet I have just proved that Kakashi could not have dodged his fire jutsu without his suiton yet he's just as fast as Kimmimaro if not faster, I have proved so many times that Kimmimaro won't be able to but for some reason you have trouble comprehending.

Just because? Wow you've just proved that you can't read.

No worry, Kakuzu would pop out his masks and wait for Kimmimaro to come near then fodderize him with his 3 masks.

You're just pulling that out of your ass, you can't prove with a manga scan that Kimmimaro ever started off a fight using this jutsu, no one use their ultimate jutsu right off the bat in a fight against an opponent who he has no intel on.

What prep times? Are you telling me that Kimmimaro can move at the speed of light, lmao, taking his masks out of his body barely takes 1 second he won't have time to do jackshit.

Sadly Kimmimaro isn't getting close to Kakuzu, he will get destroyed by his fuuton + fire mask in no time. You do realize that by getting close to Kakuzu he would just be signing his own death warrant? What is he going to do once he's close to him? Lmao, his bones can't even hurt Kakuzu due to Domu he will get fodderized by his lightening + fire + wind mask, Kimmimaro just doesn't stand a chance.

Do you even think? You just said kakashi had enough time to do handseals, then jump back before being hit by the jutsu but you're saying he needed water jutsu to escape... He clearly already dodged before the attack hit. Are you 12? Time and momentum? He already dodged the attack before he even used suiton. Wtf, how can't you understand that. Do you even know what momentum is?

I have trouble comprehending? You can't even see. You're telling me things that didn't happen. Kakashi didn't fire off suiton then jump back, he jumped back then fired suiton. Why can't you understand that? That's already a dodge. Are you retarded?

You've been saying just because. All you've been saying is he won't dodge a point blank attack because. Then you use a false analysis of kakashi dodging an attack. Kakuzu hit not a single person with his attacks. He didn't even hit an arm.

what...? Wtf are you talking about...? Pop out masks and wait...? What? The masks would already be destroyed by the fact that he'd lying in a 30 foot plus bone pit. You tried to use a failed domu arguement, now that you realise the masks will get destroyed by seedling fern, but you're now trying to make them survive somehow? They die by the time bone forest starts.

Who cares if he uses it off the bat. Kakuzu can't even kill him off the bat. Kakuzu isn't getting past his bone armor, nor is his masks hitting kimimaro.

Right, cause chouji can. So can kakashi, because they dodged these god like masks.

Your last passage is just filled with ignorance. Go back and watch kimimaro vs naruto, lee and gaara. In close range, kakuzu is the one who can't do shit. All he'd be doing is domu, and guess what. If he attacks with his masks, he'd be blasting himself while kimimaro escapes since he can't move in domu. You make it sound like kakuzu will fire off elemental attacks at himself in close range. I'd like to see him fire off the lightning mask and kill himself while kimimaro simply jumps back. Don't even say kakuzu dodges, because in domu he can't move. In a taijutsu fight kimimaro wins. If kakuzu ever tries to hit he'll stab himself.

None of those elemetal masks are going to hurt kimi at all.

Bone forest kills every mask at once,there are several thousand bones that pop up,and he can come out of any one,remeber,he was 200 feet below the surface when he used it,and his bones instantly jotted right upwards and even extended above,those masks of kakauzu and kakauzu himself have shown levitating about 30 feet. No way is any mask surviving bone forest,kimi dosent need to move for that jutsu too,or for bones to jot out of his body,so any threads that gab him will be cut off.

His speed is great in base and even greater in CS mode,coupled with his taijutsu being a complete 5.

In cs2,his body becomes impenetrable,fire isnt going to help at all,neither is wind nor gian.

His earth spear however,makes this a draw,as kimi relies on sharp piercing attacks with his bones which wont work

Add this to what i said, except that during bone forest, kakuzu is a sitting duck with only 1 heart left.


I'm still waiting for you to logically tell me how he beats seedling fern. All masks are dead. Even if they're alive, by popping them out they become targets because he can move through bone and destroy them in a flash. I'm waiting for your response about how kakuzu flies away.

 

[Pekoms]

None of those elemetal masks are going to hurt kimi at all.

Just so wrong, for a few reasons in particular:

• intense flames (Katon + Fūton) would quickly ruin Kimimaro's eyes and incinerate his flesh
• it is not possible to cover every orifice and therefore his internal organs can be severely impacted
• even if he can somehow survive the impossible, his bones would become very brittle

Dance of the Seedling Fern is negligible given that Kimimaro wouldn't have the surprise factor.

• the bones span out from the user
• it is far from instant, Gaara was able to avoid it without injury

All in all, people seem to be overestimating the general capacity of Shikotsumyaku.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Just so wrong, for a few reasons in particular:

• intense flames (Katon + Fūton) would quickly ruin Kimimaro's eyes and incinerate his flesh
• it is not possible to cover every orifice and therefore his internal organs can be severely impacted
• even if he can somehow survive the impossible, his bones would become very brittle

Dance of the Seedling Fern is negligible given that Kimimaro wouldn't have the surprise factor.

• the bones span out from the user
• it is far from instant, Gaara was able to avoid it without injury

All in all, people seem to be overestimating the general capacity of Shikotsumyaku.

Gaara had to fly, and keep flying... kakuzu can't fly...he'd just be sitting in the forest..

 

[Negative Knight]

I'll start this out complex.

Countering Kakuzu's Earth Spear/Taking Out The Masks

Kakuzu's Earth Spear is known to block any physical attack the user uses, that is indeed a great feat. However, Earth Spear also presents a disadvantage: The hardened body part cannot be moved. (Go to if the spoiler below doesn't work:

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This provides a huge advantage to Kimimaro as Kakuzu's body would be unable to move, and protect the other hearts in which are bestowed upon his body. Kakuzu's Lightning, Wind, and Katon mask would be smashed (his hearts are kept within his mask, Earth Spear is only effective toward the skin) thus, a simple Sawarabi no Mai > Kakuzu's mask:

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Kakuzu uses doton domu in such a way he doesn't restrict his mobility, he rarely uses his full body armour. The whole tactic you've proposed is completely dependent on Kakuzu taking the defensive, something which isn't in his nature.

All of Kimmimaro's techniques are negated by the masks's natural capability of flight. The wind mask already displayed this ability and below is a scan of the Fire and Lightning masks doing the same.

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From this alone, you can see Kimmimaro has nothing to take down the masks. Taking down Kakuzu himself is even more futile.

1) Doton Domu protects against all of Kimmi's physical attacks (his entire arsenal)

2) Kakuzu's body is made up of thousands of threads, allowing him to stitch up any wound made to his body. Even if Kimmimaro did somehow damage him, Kakuzu's 2nd line of defense would render it harmless.

Kakuzu Mid-diff.

 

[genii96]

Just so wrong, for a few reasons in particular:

• intense flames (Katon Fūton) would quickly ruin Kimimaro's eyes and incinerate his flesh
• it is not possible to cover every orifice and therefore his internal organs can be severely impacted
• even if he can somehow survive the impossible, his bones would become very brittle

Dance of the Seedling Fern is negligible given that Kimimaro wouldn't have the surprise factor.

• the bones span out from the user
• it is far from instant, Gaara was able to avoid it without injury

All in all, people seem to be overestimating the general capacity of Shikotsumyaku.

1) kimimaro can make the bone masses on his skin,which is how he tanked a sand coffin. Gaara's sand coffin crushes everything,even the eyes,since there is nothing left afterwards,if his bones cudnt protect his skin,hie entire skin would have been blown off. Also he dosent have to personally tank it,he can just use a bone shield to block the attack anyway.

2) like i said,sand coffin crushed everything,so he can definately cover everywhere at once.

3)his bones cannot become brittle,because his kkg allows him to manipulate and control the cells responsicle for bone formation,hence he can freely strengthen his bones,how do you think a new bone is made from his body after he pulls out the old one?,also he as cs2,which makes his bones utterly impenetrable. Even if his bones become brittle,he can just replace it with a new one.

4) he was 200m underneath,which is why gaara reacted,he has above the ground here,how do you think kakuzu or his masks can react to bones jotting out 200m from the ground,and covering a tremendous wide span,the sand tsunami from gaara changed a forest to a sand box,kimi's utsu changed it to a bine forest. The speed of the tech allowed it to travel through the ground,which would pose a resistance and reach the surface covering a distance of 200m in abt a single panel. How do you think any mask will counter?

 

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there is a scan of the wind one flying and negative knight posted one of the fire and earth.

Also if he only Hardens his hand/arm kakuzu is still able to move it freely this would also be used as A offensive force capable of smashing his bones

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Kakuzu is also able to jump Extremly high .. whats stoping him from jumping onto the braken dances bones ?

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[AGoodBoy]

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there is a scan of the wind one flying and negative knight posted one of the fire and earth.

Also if he only Hardens his hand/arm kakuzu is still able to move it freely this would also be used as A offensive force capable of smashing his bones

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Kakuzu is also able to jump Extremly high .. whats stoping him from jumping onto the braken dances bones ?

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Let's assume the masks can actually fly that high into the sky, what happens next? He can't even hit kimimaro in the bone forest. his bones aren't paper

You really sound like domu is invincible but kimimaro's bones are straw. His bones have never been broken, not even by the force of 200m of compacted sand. A silly punch does nothing.

Nothing stops him from jumping onto seedling fern. What happens then though? Kimi sprouts anywhere he wants and slaughters him. He can't kill kimimaro because kimimaro is now the entire forest.

 

[Negative Knight]

Let's assume the masks can actually fly that high into the sky, what happens next? He can't even hit kimimaro in the bone forest. his bones aren't paper

You really sound like domu is invincible but kimimaro's bones are straw. His bones have never been broken, not even by the force of 200m of compacted sand. A silly punch does nothing.

Nothing stops him from jumping onto seedling fern. What happens then though? Kimi sprouts anywhere he wants and slaughters him. He can't kill kimimaro because kimimaro is now the entire forest.

You're actually serious about Kimmimaro winning ? He's closer to Hidan in skill than he is to Kakuzu...

 

[AGoodBoy]

You're actually serious about Kimmimaro winning ? He's closer to Hidan in skill than he is to Kakuzu...

:| except that he's better than hidan all around by far.

 

[genii96]

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there is a scan of the wind one flying and negative knight posted one of the fire and earth.

Also if he only Hardens his hand/arm kakuzu is still able to move it freely this would also be used as A offensive force capable of smashing his bones

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Kakuzu is also able to jump Extremly high .. whats stoping him from jumping onto the braken dances bones ?

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assuming the masks can somehow fly 200m inti the air in the second the vones jot out,then what?,there are several thousand bones kimi can come out from,he can kill the masks without them even seeing him. If kakzuz stays on the bones,which he can,then what?,he becomes a sitting duck 200m above the ground,surrounded by a bone forest. He wont last long up there.

 

[Pein67]

Kakazu low dif.

 

[Pekoms]

1) kimimaro can make the bone masses on his skin,which is how he tanked a sand coffin. Gaara's sand coffin crushes everything,even the eyes,since there is nothing left afterwards,if his bones cudnt protect his skin,hie entire skin would have been blown off. Also he dosent have to personally tank it,he can just use a bone shield to block the attack anyway.

2) like i said,sand coffin crushed everything,so he can definately cover everywhere at once.

3)his bones cannot become brittle,because his kkg allows him to manipulate and control the cells responsicle for bone formation,hence he can freely strengthen his bones,how do you think a new bone is made from his body after he pulls out the old one?,also he as cs2,which makes his bones utterly impenetrable. Even if his bones become brittle,he can just replace it with a new one.

4) he was 200m underneath,which is why gaara reacted,he has above the ground here,how do you think kakuzu or his masks can react to bones jotting out 200m from the ground,and covering a tremendous wide span,the sand tsunami from gaara changed a forest to a sand box,kimi's utsu changed it to a bine forest. The speed of the tech allowed it to travel through the ground,which would pose a resistance and reach the surface covering a distance of 200m in abt a single panel. How do you think any mask will counter?

Given that Kimimaro clearly states he formed the bone mask under his skin, there's no way his eyes were protected.
It's evident that not all parts of his body may be protected [

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• the only way his eyes would have been damaged by the Sand Burial would be if his skull was crushed

Kimimaro never formed a 'bone shield', that is an invalid argument:

• Dance of the Seedling Fern wouldn't negate an attack that engulfed a considerable range, not when Fūton is added

Posters have elaborated on how Kakuzu could evade Dance of the Seedling Fern, though Doton: Earth Spear suffices.

• there really wouldn't be a need to seperate his masks, especially against a solitary foe

 

[Obito3631]

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Do you even think? You just said kakashi had enough time to do handseals, then jump back before being hit by the jutsu but you're saying he needed water jutsu to escape... He clearly already dodged before the attack hit. Are you 12? Time and momentum? He already dodged the attack before he even used suiton. Wtf, how can't you understand that. Do you even know what momentum is?

I have trouble comprehending? You can't even see. You're telling me things that didn't happen. Kakashi didn't fire off suiton then jump back, he jumped back then fired suiton. Why can't you understand that? That's already a dodge. Are you retarded?

You've been saying just because. All you've been saying is he won't dodge a point blank attack because. Then you use a false analysis of kakashi dodging an attack. Kakuzu hit not a single person with his attacks. He didn't even hit an arm.

what...? Wtf are you talking about...? Pop out masks and wait...? What? The masks would already be destroyed by the fact that he'd lying in a 30 foot plus bone pit. You tried to use a failed domu arguement, now that you realise the masks will get destroyed by seedling fern, but you're now trying to make them survive somehow? They die by the time bone forest starts.

Who cares if he uses it off the bat. Kakuzu can't even kill him off the bat. Kakuzu isn't getting past his bone armor, nor is his masks hitting kimimaro.

Right, cause chouji can. So can kakashi, because they dodged these god like masks.

Your last passage is just filled with ignorance. Go back and watch kimimaro vs naruto, lee and gaara. In close range, kakuzu is the one who can't do shit. All he'd be doing is domu, and guess what. If he attacks with his masks, he'd be blasting himself while kimimaro escapes since he can't move in domu. You make it sound like kakuzu will fire off elemental attacks at himself in close range. I'd like to see him fire off the lightning mask and kill himself while kimimaro simply jumps back. Don't even say kakuzu dodges, because in domu he can't move. In a taijutsu fight kimimaro wins. If kakuzu ever tries to hit he'll stab himself.


Add this to what i said, except that during bone forest, kakuzu is a sitting duck with only 1 heart left.


I'm still waiting for you to logically tell me how he beats seedling fern. All masks are dead. Even if they're alive, by popping them out they become targets because he can move through bone and destroy them in a flash. I'm waiting for your response about how kakuzu flies away.

Wow this kid is a troll, he goes even as far as contradicting the manga hahahaha
You're retarded I'm done here.

 

[AGoodBoy]

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Wow this kid is a troll, he goes even as far as contradicting the manga hahahaha
You're retarded I'm done here.

Everything I've been saying is in the manga actually. :| thanks for leaving my thread. I want someone who can intelligently tell me how kakuzu beat kimimaro, or kimimaro beats kakuzu (with manga fact). Not ignorant troll posts. I want logic and manga fact. Now get lost.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Given that Kimimaro clearly states he formed the bone mask under his skin, there's no way his eyes were protected.
It's evident that not all parts of his body may be protected [

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• the only way his eyes would have been damaged by the Sand Burial would be if his skull was crushed

Kimimaro never formed a 'bone shield', that is an invalid argument:

• Dance of the Seedling Fern wouldn't negate an attack that engulfed a considerable range, not when Fūton is added

Posters have elaborated on how Kakuzu could evade Dance of the Seedling Fern, though Doton: Earth Spear suffices.

• there really wouldn't be a need to seperate his masks, especially against a solitary foe

Assuming kimimaro has seeking fern out, how would you say kakuzu defeats him? Kimi has many places to pop out from. You're saying that kakuzu destroys the bones?

 

[Obito3631]

Everything I've been saying is in the manga actually. :| thanks for leaving my thread. I want someone who can intelligently tell me how kakuzu beat kimimaro, or kimimaro beats kakuzu (with manga fact). Not ignorant troll posts. I want logic and manga fact. Now get lost.

The thing is it's impossible to maintain an intelligent debate with someone who's so ignorant and delusional
I have already proved with facts why kakuzu would beat kimmimaro like how Kimmimaro wouldnt be able to dodge his masks but you werent able to counter this properly. also you're pulling stuffs out of your ass like how Kimmimaro would be able to tank any of his masks with his non existent bone shield, lmao. But anyways you're a troll so I couldn't care less about what you say :bye:

 

[AGoodBoy]

The thing is it's impossible to maintain an intelligent debate with someone who's so ignorant and delusional
I have already proved with facts why kakuzu would beat kimmimaro like how Kimmimaro wouldnt be able to dodge his masks but you werent able to counter this properly. also you're pulling stuffs out of your ass like how Kimmimaro would be able to tank any of his masks with his non existent bone shield, lmao. But anyways you're a troll so I couldn't care less about what you say :bye:

I wasn't the one who mentioned bone shield. At least learn to read.
Kimimaro has 4.5 taijutsu and speed in the data book. Kakazu has 4's. Everything's contradicting your 'kimimaro can't dodge the masks'. You've proceed no evidence he can't dodge the attacks. You provided no evidence that some of his attacks could get through his layer of bone which is also called near invincible. You have 0 evidence for everything you say. Seriously just get out of my thread. Provide evidence for the nonsense you talk next time. Just go seat back and wait for someone intelligent to actually prove how kakuzu wins because apparently you don't know how

 

[Negative Knight]

I wasn't the one who mentioned bone shield. At least learn to read.
Kimimaro has 4.5 taijutsu and speed in the data book. Kakazu has 4's. Everything's contradicting your 'kimimaro can't dodge the masks'. You've proceed no evidence he can't dodge the attacks. You provided no evidence that some of his attacks could get through his layer of bone which is also called near invincible. You have 0 evidence for everything you say. Seriously just get out of my thread. Provide evidence for the nonsense you talk next time. Just go seat back and wait for someone intelligent to actually prove how kakuzu wins because apparently you don't know how

Present your entire case as concise as possible in your next post. I'll counter everything there, as well as show why Kimmimaro can't harm Kakzuu nor his masks.

 

[TheTailedSage]

I don't see how anything kimimaro has will damage kakazu and in saying that kimimaros bones arnt made of steel or anything stronger than that. Yes they are infused with chakra however they are still just bone; kakzu hasn't display many jutsus however the jutsus he has shown are more than capable or countering and fighting kimi.

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This jutsu if. Correctly had to be counter with a water wall which kakashi used. This proves that in speed feats this jutsu is fast as well as powerful. If he has the sharingan up too this also means he was ab parcially predict what jutsu was coming yet he had no time to dodge giving the radius and power of the attack. Kimmimaro is no different, he hasn't got much to dodge this move AND other hearts that will be flying around; this heart alone has enough power to destroy bones. If mokuton (the most durable element in NV) can be cut and damaged I don't see how bone stands a chance against that.

Another point is that since diamond is virtually indestructable. And the fact that bone cannot piece through daimond still remains. Even though kakazuns mobility is parcially if not completely taken away (remember he can control where on his body turns to diamond) still has the hearts to fight for him which kimi CANNOT destroy even with his bone forest. I don't ever remember him stading still in the kakashi,shika,ino and cho fight he was attacking them even though his hearts were also fighting.

If the hearts can fly (no limit has been show as to how high they can fly) none of kimis moves can even reach them let alone block the elemental merged attacks. Flase darkness can give kimmi a hard time and let's just keep it in our heads that this isn't the only heart on the field.

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Kakazus attacks to pack a punch and using daimond skin in this attack will increase the damage. In the so called databook kakazus intelligence and speed are impressive and I belive this would be a good combo to end kimmi.

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Kakazus speed as shown here is very impressive, no one actually saw him move from his current position (which is obvious in the scan provided) with this and the ability to utilize his intelligence and masks in this battle he would win mid diff.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Kimimaru cannot tank any of Kakuzu's attacks.

Kimmi was amazed Sand Coffin's Pressure from the attack:

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Now compare that from tanking this air pressure?:

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No Kimi gets obliterated.

Best-Case-Scenario: Every living thing from his body is destroyed and he becomes Exoskeleton