[VS] Killer Bee vs EMS Sasuke

[Apêx1]

1. Bijuu Whirlwind tosses him out of the sky.

2. Bijuu Dama hits him anyway since it moves as fast as Susanoo Arrow.

Bijuu Whirlwind requires Bee to wrap his tentacles around himself and begin spinning like so [

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]. Given that Amateratsu can definitely hit by the time he's started spinning, Bee is his own demise. Amateratsu cannot be moved with wind or water, you either absorb it or use something like ST which directly pushes it off your body. Whirlwind simply allows Amateratsu to completely cover Hachbi, along with granting it a massive supply of oxygen. Not to mention that it won't kill a Susano protected Hawk, but rather throw it to the ground given the base bodies of the Jin's were never shown to be wounded.

2. No, if Sasuke is flying rather high above the Hachibi by say, a 179 degree angle, moving slightly will put him on the other side of where Hachbi was aiming, not to mention while the bird is flying, Sasuke can be firing Amateratsu at the Hachbi's eyes, which the Hachbi will have a hard time noticing. Not to mention that the hawk has been portrayed to be rather fast [

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], since you can see Sasuke passing Hashirama's Black rods in the background and Hashirama only reacting to tell him wait after Sasuke crossed a good distance from him. It was also capable of dodging Danzo's Vacuum wave long before it reached it [

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]. Sasuke should have no trouble dodging the TBB with his hawk given he's a decent distance away where the hawk is simply flying around Bee in an unconventional style, making it impossible to hit. He prepares his Amateratsu spammed spawning and there you have it, a completely Amateratsu engulfed Hachbi with his massive Amateratsu that I've already showcased.

Point, but his eyes aren't getting burnt down, not when he can react to Amaterasu, and block with his tentacles.


I edited my previous post, but it turns out that you might be right here.

Hachbi could only react to Sasuke's bleeding eye, and put up his tentacle/hand as a repercussion, nothing indicates he did it after the Amateratsu was fired off. Knowing this, and knowing that Sasuke will be airborne and constantly moving around, Sasuke firing off Amateratsu will result in great difficulties for the Hachibi, as Sasuke's EMS Amateratsu can be; 1. Spawned continuously, 2. Half the Juubi's head from ground level up, 3. Hit into the Hachbi's eyes to cause him to go blind since nothing is blocking LoS, done subtly since Sasuke is hidden behind a Hawk and going at fast speeds, thus Hachibi won't notice the eye bleeding.

And alright

1. His eyes won't get burnt down as he has shown to be able to react to Amaterasu, so Sasuke uses it, B covers himself with his tentacles and then uses Octopus Leg Clone.

2. As Benjamin King mentioned, Hachibi can blind Sasuke temporarily with his ink, thus Amaterasu is rendered useless long enough for him to blow Sasuke apart.

3. Bijuu Dama would take Sasuke out, land or sky as there are no speed feats for his hawk that lead me to believe it'll evade something as fast as a Susanoo arrow. Not to mention if he hits the ground, and it goes off, the explosion still kills him as its a Mountain's width and a Mountain's height, and from that far away, Sasuke isn't going to be doing anything to B, so I'm 100% sure he'll be closer.

1. Addressed.

2. Sasuke will be airborne, hence Ink is useless as his LoS will be perpetuated throughout the match.

3. It has decent speed feats imo, and was portrayed to cross vast distances in quick speeds, as well as dodge Danzo's attacks and brush right by Hashirama. Even if you don't want to believe it is fas enough to dodge one given it being right over the Hachbi (unreasonable), his Hawk can still keep flying in an unorthdox style as to make it impossible for Hachibi to shoot his TBB accurately, unless you are willing to go as far as to say "if the hawk is moving from point a to point b, and Hachibi shoots his TBB while Hawk is present at point a (moving), the Hawk is so slow that he gets hit because he doesn't have the speed feats to move closer to point b from the point Hachibi prep'd and shot TBB, even though he has more than enough to debunk such an unreasonable claim.

@Iankui, Karin off-paneled a Bijuuwave, don't see why EMS Sasuke wouldn't.

 

[lanakui8]

@Iankui, Karin off-paneled a Bijuuwave, don't see why EMS Sasuke wouldn't.

So you believe that karin got hit with the bijuuwave, the same bijuuwave that took out suigetsu in a lake, yet came out completely unscathed?

If youʻre saying she dodged it, then Iʻll say itʻs only because suigetsu stayed back in order to hold bee off and make bee fire it at him.

 

[Dannie]

I don't think people understand the point that I'm trying to make regarding the Bijuudama. The explosion of a Bijuudama does nothing to a human unless it hits point blank directly. We have seen this proof time and time and time again on many occasions.When you take a look at the feats of a Bijuudama.

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Team Taka took the explosion of Gyuki's Bijuudama, but this time it wasn't point blank, but considering the size of the Hachibi, Team Taka was in the direct path of the beam and was caught in the explosion that is exponentially larger than the Hachibi himself with visible damage all around the Hachibi.

So unless the Bijuuballs hits directly, Sasuke won't even be harmed with Ribcage Susano'O, let alone v2, v3 or complete Susano'O. A Bijuuball sphere is hardly big enough that Sasuke can't dodge it with a simple body flicker.

And also, regarding Suigetsu blocking Bee's Bijuudama. Wouldn't that instance help the Sasuke's Susano'O versus the Bijuudama, seeing as how Suigetsu isn't nearly as durable as Susano'O or Complete Susano'O so Sasuke tanking or surviving one of Bee's Bijuudama's is not illogical at all.

EMS Sasuke, or fully developed Danzo MS Susano'O would have no problem tanking Bee's Bijuudama and surviving.

 

[lucario14]

so bee fires the bijuudama making it explode at the ground beneath sasuke, killing aoda and probably at least destroying sasukeʻs susanoo.

As a said before, sasuke makes aoda tank it after it swallows him up. There is NO way in hell B is surviving a bijuudama explosion right underneath him regardless if it uses tentacles to cover itself. The radius of that explosion is big and it's underneath him.

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Suigetsu survived it I'm pretty sure sasuke's v4 susanoo will tank it.

 

[Dannie]

And also: This debate about whether, or not, the explosion of a Bijuudama can harm Sasuke and his Susano'O is irrelevant anyway. Sasuke can kill B before it's even fully charged anyway.

 

[Apêx1]

So you believe that karin got hit with the bijuuwave, the same bijuuwave that took out suigetsu in a lake, yet came out completely unscathed?

If youʻre saying she dodged it, then Iʻll say itʻs only because suigetsu stayed back in order to hold bee off and make bee fire it at him.

I am saying she dodged it. Page 1 of TBB [

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], Second page, explosion [

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]. It's rather clear that after Suigetsu was done, they were still right in front of the explosion radius, and then dodged, especially considering Karin said it was too dangerous while looking behind her, which was right before the TBB being initiated. You can't deny she dodged it in this scenario, as Suigetsu was irrelevant by the time she looked behind her.

 

[lanakui8]

As a said before, sasuke makes aoda tank it after it swallows him up. There is NO way in hell B is surviving a bijuudama explosion right underneath him regardless if it uses tentacles to cover itself. The radius of that explosion is big and it's underneath him.
Suigetsu survived it I'm pretty sure sasuke's v4 susanoo will tank it.

based on what does aoda tank the bijuudama? And if heʻs inside of aoda, he gets reversed summoned after aoda poofs and thatʻs a BFR win for bee.
Weʻve already been over why aoda and sasuke arenʻt going to be directly under bee when the bijuudama hits the ground as neither of them start the fight directly under bee, you even admitted this, so thatʻs you conceding this point.
Finally, Bee has survived a direct hit from his own bijuudama, thereʻs absolutely no way that you can make the claim heʻs not surviving a bijuudama that doesnʻt even hit him directly, let alone gets blocked with his tails.

Suigetsu got taken out by the mere traveling force of the attack as we see the attack continue after going through him and exploding a mile behind him. That and the fact that suigetsu was in the lake and can be splattered all over the place and still live makes suigetsu surviving such an attack mean nothing in regards to something more durable than him surviving it if that thing doesnʻt have his logia.

But I agree V4 susanoo allows sasuke to survive it, however aodaʻs going to be gone.

 

[lanakui8]

I am saying she dodged it. Page 1 of TBB [

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], Second page, explosion [

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]. It's rather clear that after Suigetsu was done, they were still right in front of the explosion radius, and then dodged, especially considering Karin said it was too dangerous while looking behind her, which was right before the TBB being initiated. You can't deny she dodged it in this scenario, as Suigetsu was irrelevant by the time she looked behind her.

They werenʻt right in front of the explosionʻs radius, we donʻt even know where they are in relation to the attack, and suigetsu couldnʻt have been irrelevant in takaʻs ability to escape the blast since that was his entire purpose of being there.

 

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B already tanked his own Bijuu Dama.

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[Bogard]

Actually thinking back to it, Bee wins this. With knowledge, anytime Sasuke will take to build up his amaterasu, Bee will attack him like he did against Itachi. His enton are kunai level flying attacks, so will be dodged or even blocked. In Hachibi form, if he wants to play preventive, he protects his body with tentacles - the octopus strategy he used against Jubi's bijudama- while firing continous bijudamas destroying everything around the area including Sasuke. If Sasuke somehow had the bad idea to use Amaterasu instead or trying an escape from the Bijudamas assault, right after that he cut the limbs and ends up safe infront of Sasuke's dead body

 

[Varrah]

Actually thinking back to it, Bee wins this. With knowledge, anytime Sasuke will take to build up his amaterasu, Bee will attack him like he did against Itachi. His enton are kunai level flying attacks, so will be dodged or even blocked. In Hachibi form, if he wants to play preventive, he protects his body with tentacles - the octopus strategy he used against Jubi's bijudama- while firing continous bijudamas destroying everything around the area including Sasuke. If Sasuke somehow had the bad idea to use Amaterasu instead or trying an escape from the Bijudamas assault, right after that he cut the limbs and ends up safe infront of Sasuke's dead body

I would think this post is irrelevant given the stipulations laid about in the original post, Bogard. ​

EMS Sasuke vs Killer Bee

Restriction: PS

 

[Bogard]

I would think this post is irrelevant given the stipulations laid about in the original post, Bogard. ​

???? I see nothing wrong with my post

 

[Varrah]

???? I see nothing wrong with my post

How is your post contributing anything to the discussion considering the conditions given by the original post?​

 

[King Of Pop]

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Except, that bee can just take the tentacle out and the blow him away from whirlwind
Not to mention that sasuke still has no intel on his ink

he has to burst out of the tentacle, then enter bm before he does that and how the hell is he achieving it all before amaterasu lights him up? sasuke knows of his trick like i said so this gives him the advantage of preparation, once he sees a tentacle cut(he would be much aware), he quickly lights it up, bee wont have the luxury of bursting out and entering bm(even though he enters it pretty quickly am aware of that) and using a jutsu all before sasukes attack connect, that simple. ink is easily dodged

another option for sasuke is to use his hawk for an aerial view when the hachibi is in flames, with that he can then start spreading the flames all over the hachibis hands or his tentacles untouched to lessen bees option, from his aerial view also it would be quick to spot bees trick and then sasuke quickly attacks it.

And Enton arrow takes the same time to form as TBB, and if bee fires off TBB then sasuke dies, while Enton arrows are tanked by bee

except the arrow would be fired as soon as he sights the tentacle. anyways even if arrows are a bad idea, like ive stated he can use magatama, guiding it towards the tentacle which should engulf it in flames, imo bee wouldnt be able to fire off a tbb.

 

[Rιver]

???? I see nothing wrong with my post

I think that his point is that, you're underestimating Sasuke. He's capable of far more. For one, why would he resort to purely on Amaterasu? Why has he not summoned in your scenario, any summonings? Why would he launch petty Enton projectiles?

Your scenario has Sasuke still and he looks more like MS Sasuke who has suffered from much fatigue.

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't think people understand the point that I'm trying to make regarding the Bijuudama. The explosion of a Bijuudama does nothing to a human unless it hits point blank directly. We have seen this proof time and time and time again on many occasions.When you take a look at the feats of a Bijuudama.

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Team Taka took the explosion of Gyuki's Bijuudama, but this time it wasn't point blank, but considering the size of the Hachibi, Team Taka was in the direct path of the beam and was caught in the explosion that is exponentially larger than the Hachibi himself with visible damage all around the Hachibi.

So unless the Bijuuballs hits directly, Sasuke won't even be harmed with Ribcage Susano'O, let alone v2, v3 or complete Susano'O. A Bijuuball sphere is hardly big enough that Sasuke can't dodge it with a simple body flicker.

And also, regarding Suigetsu blocking Bee's Bijuudama. Wouldn't that instance help the Sasuke's Susano'O versus the Bijuudama, seeing as how Suigetsu isn't nearly as durable as Susano'O or Complete Susano'O so Sasuke tanking or surviving one of Bee's Bijuudama's is not illogical at all.

EMS Sasuke, or fully developed Danzo MS Susano'O would have no problem tanking Bee's Bijuudama and surviving.

If only you didn't use examples that consisted of weaker Bijuu Dama than what Hachibi can use. If he is near the epicenter of the attack, he dies. That simple. He can't escape the Bijuu Dama, so he dies. It doesn't need to hit "point blank." Only needs to be close to the epicenter. The only reason Taka didn't die is because they had Suigetsu to soak up all the damage for them.

Bijuu Dama moves as fast as a Susanoo arrow, and B can use 4 of them. Sasuke evading on foot is laughable.

 

[KidGamer65]

Bijuu Whirlwind requires Bee to wrap his tentacles around himself and begin spinning like so [

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]. Given that Amateratsu can definitely hit by the time he's started spinning, Bee is his own demise. Amateratsu cannot be moved with wind or water, you either absorb it or use something like ST which directly pushes it off your body. Whirlwind simply allows Amateratsu to completely cover Hachbi, along with granting it a massive supply of oxygen. Not to mention that it won't kill a Susano protected Hawk, but rather throw it to the ground given the base bodies of the Jin's were never shown to be wounded.

Ok.

2. No, if Sasuke is flying rather high above the Hachibi by say, a 179 degree angle, moving slightly will put him on the other side of where Hachbi was aiming, not to mention while the bird is flying, Sasuke can be firing Amateratsu at the Hachbi's eyes, which the Hachbi will have a hard time noticing. Not to mention that the hawk has been portrayed to be rather fast [

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], since you can see Sasuke passing Hashirama's Black rods in the background and Hashirama only reacting to tell him wait after Sasuke crossed a good distance from him. It was also capable of dodging Danzo's Vacuum wave long before it reached it [

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]. Sasuke should have no trouble dodging the TBB with his hawk given he's a decent distance away where the hawk is simply flying around Bee in an unconventional style, making it impossible to hit. He prepares his Amateratsu spammed spawning and there you have it, a completely Amateratsu engulfed Hachbi with his massive Amateratsu that I've already showcased.

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B can fire 4 Bijuu Dama like a machine gun, so aim won't be a problem as he'll be able to fire at multiple directions in quick succession, combine that with the fact the the explosion will still catch and kill the cloak, along with the fact its too slow to evade anyway, then you have on your hands, a dead Sasuke.

2. The hawk hasnt been portrayed as fast at all. Danzo's Fuuton have never been noted or shown to be fast in any way, shape or form, and he didn't pass by Hashirama's black rods. Every panel with a white background is what is going in present time, and every panel with a black background is a flash back. Sasuke is flying on his hawk and he remembers his conversation with Hashirama. What happened is, Sasuke was going to get on his hawk, and Hashirama told him to wait, hence the exclamation mark on his head. Doesn't tell me it'll dodge a projectile that moves as fast as a Susanoo arrow, something one of the fastest characters at the time (Kakashi) couldn't dodge.

Hachbi could only react to Sasuke's bleeding eye, and put up his tentacle/hand as a repercussion, nothing indicates he did it after the Amateratsu was fired off. Knowing this, and knowing that Sasuke will be airborne and constantly moving around, Sasuke firing off Amateratsu will result in great difficulties for the Hachibi, as Sasuke's EMS Amateratsu can be; 1. Spawned continuously, 2. Half the Juubi's head from ground level up, 3. Hit into the Hachbi's eyes to cause him to go blind since nothing is blocking LoS, done subtly since Sasuke is hidden behind a Hawk and going at fast speeds, thus Hachibi won't notice the eye bleeding.

After? Never said he did it after. Sasuke used Amaterasu, and before the flame ignited him, B covered himself with his tentacle, thus, with intel and knowing that a bleeding eye signifies Amaterasu, he will be able to act once again. Just how he did against Edo Itachi and just how he did against Sasuke the first time. Spawned continuously is irrelevant when he'll only be hitting tentacles, not the Hachibi itself.

2. Sasuke will be airborne, hence Ink is useless as his LoS will be perpetuated throughout the match.

If there is a cloud of ink covering the Hachibi, the no, it won't matter where he goes as LoS will still be blocked.

3. It has decent speed feats imo, and was portrayed to cross vast distances in quick speeds, as well as dodge Danzo's attacks and brush right by Hashirama. Even if you don't want to believe it is fas enough to dodge one given it being right over the Hachbi (unreasonable), his Hawk can still keep flying in an unorthdox style as to make it impossible for Hachibi to shoot his TBB accurately, unless you are willing to go as far as to say "if the hawk is moving from point a to point b, and Hachibi shoots his TBB while Hawk is present at point a (moving), the Hawk is so slow that he gets hit because he doesn't have the speed feats to move closer to point b from the point Hachibi prep'd and shot TBB, even though he has more than enough to debunk such an unreasonable claim.

Addressed above.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Bijuu Dama moves as fast as a Susanoo arrow,

No it doesnt...

 

[KidGamer65]

No it doesnt...

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Shown firing at the same time and shown hitting at the same time, so yes, it can.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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Shown firing at the same time and shown hitting at the same time, so yes, it can.

Arrow was shot long before TBB, while the TBB still had tension action in it.