[VS] Killer Bee vs EMS Sasuke

[Benjamin King]

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His Sharingan was still on, lmao.

Itachi already did this 1.

Itachi isn't Sasuke. I want Sasuke's feats, not other people.

All of it.

All of what?

 

[Rιver]

His Sharingan was still on, lmao.

One Mangekyo only, was still active.

Itachi isn't Sasuke. I want Sasuke's feats, not other people.

Itachi and Sasuke had the same feat, so did Madara. No need for any other, because Itachi demonstrated the same as Sasuke.

All of what?

All of your arguments.

Note: Around my hood, we say stop before you get clocked.

 

[KidGamer65]

So Sasuke can't react to a Bijuu emerging from a limb Sasuke has seen to be cut off and charging a Bijuudama, with a single glance?

Never said this.

Or does he think that the Hachibi charges his Bijuudama inside of this tight entrance, breaks out and immediately fires the Bijuudama at where Sasuke exactly stands?

Never said this either. He enters it with his Dama ready, as he did here,

He already did that in base:

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Do Uchihaha fanboys have a habit of downgrading feats?

and fires it at Sasuke and he dies.

Apparently. Given that we don't even know how fast he can burst out of it. With damage.

Um, what?

He enters Bijuu Mode instantly, thus that is how fast he'll burst out of it, and damage? What damage?

 

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Itachi isn't Sasuke. I want Sasuke's feats, not other people.

What do you think using Susanoo is depended on?

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[Rιver]

He enters Bijuu Mode instantly, thus that is how fast he'll burst out of it, and damage? What damage?

From Sasuke's initial strike. And you don't really know how he gets out of the tentacle, do you?

 

[Strict]

I just wonder, if the Hachibi cuts off his limb to safe Bee and Bee emerges from this limb in Bijuumode, what is then burning if not Hachibi?

 

[Rιver]

I just wonder, if the Hachibi cuts off his limb to safe Bee and Bee emerges from this limb in Bijuumode, what is then burning if not Hachibi?

His clone, as in canon? Hachibi was still in B bruh.

 

[KidGamer65]

From Sasuke's initial strike.

If that refers to his first Amaterasu, its irrelevant since B doesn't receive damage that his clone takes.

And you don't really know how he gets out of the tentacle, do you?

*Sigh*

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Same exact principle. Naruto (B) was inside the Sand (B is in his tentacle), and Naruto summoned Bunta (B goes Bijuu Mode) and broke out. Except he comes out like

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and nukes Sasuke.

 

[Strict]

His clone, as in canon?

So a Bijuu can clone himself? It was Bee's clone, not Hachibi's.
Or will the burning Bijuu disappear and come back to Bee, who is already separated with the tentacle?

 

[Benjamin King]

What do you think using Susanoo is depended on?

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Sharingan.

One Mangekyo only, was still active.

MS has Sharingan's powers in it, so point is moot.

Itachi and Sasuke had the same feat, so did Madara. No need for any other, because Itachi demonstrated the same as Sasuke.

No, he didn't, nor I have a reason to believe his MS was gone at that scan, as Susanoo originates from it.

All of your arguments.

Note: Around my hood, we say stop before you get clocked.

I have yet to see any of that.

Off topic: I'll reply later. I'm going to eat and go to the gym.

 

[Rιver]

If that refers to his first Amaterasu, its irrelevant since B doesn't receive damage that his clone takes.

Until he chops off his limb. Unless you're telling me that he chops off a limb before the Amaterasu hits him.

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Same exact principle. Naruto (B) was inside the Sand (B is in his tentacle), and Naruto summoned Bunta (B goes Bijuu Mode) and broke out. Except he comes out like

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and nukes Sasuke.

No, it's not. In that scan, Naruto and the sand are different properties. However, who knows if B is different from the tentacle or one with it? The principle doesn't work in this case.

Sharingan.

Even after Madara demonstrated one without it? What.

I hope you mean MS.

MS has Sharingan's powers in it, so point is moot.

But does Sharingan have MS powers? Facepalm, facepalm.

No, he didn't, nor I have a reason to believe his MS was gone at that scan, as Susanoo originates from it.

I have yet to see any of that. .

Because MS can be used without it visible?

What the.

So a Bijuu can clone himself? It was Bee's clone, not Hachibi's.
Or will the burning Bijuu disappear and come back to Bee, who is already separated with the tentacle?

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How does that matter, when Hachibi is not fighting? B is the one to cut it, and whether it's B's or Hachibi's clone doesn't matter because it's still a clone.

It's not Hachibi, nor B. It's a simple clone, Bunshin.

 

[Apêx1]

Yeah, which was much larger than the Enton Arrow on its own, thus it got larger. Not to mention Sasuke can't manipulate his flame unless he's in contact with it somehow, so it got that large and took that shape because of the size and shape of the COFRS.

@bold: Yup.

Sasuke doesn't need to manipulate Enton flames that aren't in contact with him when he has the capability to rapid-fire his Amateratsu with his Amateratsu eye as a medium [

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] fast enough for DSM Kabuto only being able to take a single step backward (with smoke on the floor as well) after Sasuke had created a complete ring around himself. Hence my point, the more chakra, the greater its size, not to mention it's much faster than an Enton arrow.

The only way it stopped the rotation is because it ate the Wind that causes the Rasengan to rotate. That scan shows nothing but the flame beginning to eat up the wind, which was the cause of the whole Enton consuming COFRS thing. Bijuu Dama has no wind, or any elemental weakness to Enton, so that isn't happening with it. The arrow in the same place doesn't mean anything since the arrow was the flame that ate through Wind, and overpowered it.

No, it is abundantly clear on the bottom left panel that even before Enton had engulfed the FRS, the rotation was being negated. More so, Enton doesn't create such an effect when it comes into contact with Futon, if anything, it just eats away at it. So no, it was merely part of the whole. Fair enough on the TBB part.

It ate the wind that causes the rotation, thus no rotation. That's the only way it'll ever stop the rotation of FRS, by eating the Wind Shuriken. Not because Enton can stop the rotation, not seeing how this makes sense.

Enton is not eating through a Bijuu Dama, Bijuu Dama plows right through it.

But I already showed you the Enton arrow being powerful enough to interfere with COFRS's rotation, and I showed you after it was consumed that even then, the COFRS's rotational speed and penetrative capabilities couldn't cut or harm the Enton arrow itself after Keita Henka was applied to give it is structure. It was shown that rasengan without spin seizes to exist when Naruto was learning to use Rasengan, as well as spin which wasn't controlled enough. Rasengan's spin nullifying is the same was it no longer being present, same with FRS. When Deva ST it, his ST directly interfered with its spin since it deflected it, thus caused it to disperse.

Lol. He didn't cut the tentacle because its counter intuitive, not because he couldn't do it himself. Why would he make it look he's trying to pull a stunt, when he wants them to think that they defeated him so he could escape. It'd make no sense.

Burn through Juubito's skin?

1. No, it didn't.
2. It was amplified by Naruto. Fire burns hotter when Wind is added.

Sasuke's Amaterasu on its own didn't burn through Ay, it didn't burn through the Samurai, and it didn't burn through the Zetsu clones.

@bold Therefor, there's no reason to claim he can do it when he's under the influence of Amateratsu again. Based on what could he have done this? He didn't know that Sasuke would cut off the tentacle to save Karin, so he would've either burned in front of their eyes, or he would've looked like he was pulling a stunt, which nothing implies he could do.

1. Yes it did. This and this are identical [

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2. Yes, but the effect of oxygen abundance in a given space is limited.

 

[Strict]

Still wonder why arrows can't counter an incoming TBB.
Susanoo's sword was shown to pierce a Bijuu Dama.
Sasuke can create a Boss summon sized arrow. As he can create multiple arrows.

What if Sasuke fires multiple arrows into the Bijuu Dama's path and pierces it? Will it explode, change it's trajectory or just continue flying the exact same path until it hits Sasuke?

The Bijuu Dama was also shown to be as fast as the Rasenshuriken. Tendo could jump away from its trajectory. Sasuke's Susanoo is shown to cover an immense distance with just one jump. The Bijuu Dama propably wouldn't even hit him.

 

[Rιver]

Still wonder why arrows can't counter an incoming TBB.
Susanoo's sword was shown to pierce a Bijuu Dama.
Sasuke can create a Boss summon sized arrow. As he can create multiple arrows.

What if Sasuke fires multiple arrows into the Bijuu Dama's path and pierces it? Will it explode, change it's trajectory or just continue flying the exact same path until it hits Sasuke?

The Bijuu Dama was also shown to be as fast as the Rasenshuriken. Tendo could jump away from its trajectory. Sasuke's Susanoo is shown to cover an immense distance with just one jump. The Bijuu Dama propably wouldn't even hit him.

If Sasuke fires arrows, they would probably explode. But it depends if Sasuke can act faster than the Bijuu Dama can reach him, and get out of the AoE. Also, Hachibi can fire off as many as 4 simultaneously. Sasuke can fire off at max. 3.

Truu.

 

[Strict]

Yeah, that's the point. They will simply explode half way. And Sasuke is of course fast to react, he was shown to create and fire the arrows instantly, faster than charging and firing a Bijuudama. And that Sasuke showed to use 3 arrows at the same time, doesn't mean he couldn't use 4. Remember, Susanoo possesses 6 fingers instead of 5.

Letting one Bijuu Dama explode would probably cause the others to explode as well, as the Bijuu Damas are fired in succession. So pierce the first with arrows and it takes the others with its own explosion.

 

[Rιver]

Pretty sure they possess only 5 fingers, but yeah... you do have a point. I see why not.

 

[Strict]

Yeah, Susanoo possesses 6 fingers. Susanoo was first shown with 5 fingers when used by Itachi, later all Susanoos had 6.

And if Hachibi cuts off a limb, Sasuke shots a boss summon sized Enton arrow into the tentacle. Wanna see the Hachibi emerging with a Bijuu Dama when he got pierced with an Enton arrow, which, in the same sense, burns the tentacle from outside and inside.

There are more and more possibilities for Sasuke revealed, while Hachibi has nothing but his Bijuu Dama.

 

[Rιver]

Yeah, Susanoo possesses 6 fingers. Susanoo was first shown with 5 fingers when used by Itachi, later all Susanoos had 6.

And if Hachibi cuts off a limb, Sasuke shots a boss summon sized Enton arrow into the tentacle. Wanna see the Hachibi emerging with a Bijuu Dama when he got pierced with an Enton arrow, which, in the same sense, burns the tentacle from outside and inside.

There are more and more possibilities for Sasuke revealed, while Hachibi has nothing but his Bijuu Dama.

As KidGamer already said, the arrow was smaller than the Rasenshuriken. But nevertheless, it creates enough damage to B.

I'm also wondering why are we not arguing that B dies after he's struck with arrows. If he's penetrated, doesn't he logically... die?

 

[KidGamer65]

Until he chops off his limb. Unless you're telling me that he chops off a limb before the Amaterasu hits him.

Which is something we know he can do, so why are we discussing this again?

No, it's not. In that scan, Naruto and the sand are different properties. However, who knows if B is different from the tentacle or one with it? The principle doesn't work in this case.

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He isn't the same being as the tentacle.

Sasuke doesn't need to manipulate Enton flames that aren't in contact with him when he has the capability to rapid-fire his Amateratsu with his Amateratsu eye as a medium [

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] fast enough for DSM Kabuto only being able to take a single step backward (with smoke on the floor as well) after Sasuke had created a complete ring around himself. Hence my point, the more chakra, the greater its size, not to mention it's much faster than an Enton arrow.

That isn't rapid firing, that's him spawning it as he moves his head, thus the ring that was created, by him spinning his head in a 360 degree fashion.

No, it is abundantly clear on the bottom left panel that even before Enton had engulfed the FRS, the rotation was being negated. More so, Enton doesn't create such an effect when it comes into contact with Futon, if anything, it just eats away at it. So no, it was merely part of the whole. Fair enough on the TBB part.

Because it was eating the wind Shuriken of the spinning FRS, which would also disrupt the rotation, not because its strong enough to disrupt the rotation.

Um, have you ever seen Enton come into contact with a spinning Wind Shuriken? No, so you can't say that it doesn't create that effect when the two meet.

But I already showed you the Enton arrow being powerful enough to interfere with COFRS's rotation

It didn't do that because of its power, it did that because it eats Fuuton, which is the cause of the rotation, not because its strong enough to stop its rotation.

and I showed you after it was consumed that even then, the COFRS's rotational speed and penetrative capabilities couldn't cut or harm the Enton arrow itself after Keita Henka was applied to give it is structure.

The rotational speed and penetrative capabilities all come from the Wind Shuriken. Fire eats Wind, and fire can't be cut by anything let alone wind, so the arrow not being cut or harmed isn't any kind of special feat.

It was shown that rasengan without spin seizes to exist when Naruto was learning to use Rasengan, as well as spin which wasn't controlled enough. Rasengan's spin nullifying is the same was it no longer being present, same with FRS. When Deva ST it, his ST directly interfered with its spin since it deflected it, thus caused it to disperse.

I know that, but that doesn't mean that Enton did what it did to FRS because of its power, it did that because it eats Fuuton, and nothing more. There is no reason why it'd do the same to a Bijuu Dama, which is completely different from Rasen Shuriken.

@bold Therefor, there's no reason to claim he can do it when he's under the influence of Amateratsu again. Based on what could he have done this? He didn't know that Sasuke would cut off the tentacle to save Karin, so he would've either burned in front of their eyes, or he would've looked like he was pulling a stunt, which nothing implies he could do.

Uh, yes, he would. He knows that Sasuke can sue Raiton, and he knows that he'd save his comrade if she was in trouble, which he created when was flailing around. Pain isn't an excuse for him not being able to cut off his tentacle.

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2. Yes, but the effect of oxygen abundance in a given space is limited.

2. How does that counter anything I said?

Still wonder why arrows can't counter an incoming TBB.

Cause you have no evidence.

Susanoo's sword was shown to pierce a Bijuu Dama.

That was Perfect Susanoo's blade, we are talking about a Complete Susanoo's arrow. There is no comparison.

Sasuke can create a Boss summon sized arrow. As he can create multiple arrows.

Ok?

What if Sasuke fires multiple arrows into the Bijuu Dama's path and pierces it? Will it explode, change it's trajectory or just continue flying the exact same path until it hits Sasuke?

It plows through the arrows like they weren't there and hit Sasuke.

The Bijuu Dama was also shown to be as fast as the Rasenshuriken. Tendo could jump away from its trajectory. Sasuke's Susanoo is shown to cover an immense distance with just one jump. The Bijuu Dama propably wouldn't even hit him.

Tendo evaded the FRS, not to mention Tendo is a speedster when he has his powers active as he outran KN6 Naruto. If Bijuu Dama is fired into the ground and it explodes, Sasuke won't escape it, nor would Tendo unless you have speed feats of them crossing a Mountain's distance in a split second.

Also, Bijuu Dama at its fastest moves as fast as a Susanoo arrow.

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at the same exact time.

Yeah, Susanoo possesses 6 fingers. Susanoo was first shown with 5 fingers when used by Itachi, later all Susanoos had 6.

And if Hachibi cuts off a limb, Sasuke shots a boss summon sized Enton arrow into the tentacle.

Already replied to this when River posted it. B enters Bijuu Mode and the arrow hits his lower body, thus he barely takes any damage while Sasuke still dies from Bijuu Dama.

There are more and more possibilities for Sasuke revealed, while Hachibi has nothing but his Bijuu Dama.

Except most of these possibilities are nothing but invalid argumentation.

As KidGamer already said, the arrow was smaller than the Rasenshuriken. But nevertheless, it creates enough damage to B.

I'm also wondering why are we not arguing that B dies after he's struck with arrows. If he's penetrated, doesn't he logically... die?

It took something as strong as a Bijuu Dama to put him down for the count, unless the arrow pierces some kind of vital, he lives.

 

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Nope.

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When the arrow and Rasenshuriken merged, they were shown to have the same size in diameter. The size isn't relevant anyway, as the Sharingan will detect the exact location of Bee inside the tentacle, firing the arrow directly through the tentacle into Bee. Bee is then pierced and burned, as the tentacle is from inside and outside. Him going into Bijuumode with a charged Bijuu Dama won't change it.

I'm also wondering why are we not arguing that B dies after he's struck with arrows. If he's penetrated, doesn't he logically... die?

Sure, why not? The Bijuu doesn't make him immortal. Especially when he is pierced by multiple Enton arrows.

Madara wanted to finish Hachibi by piercing his throat with Susanoo's sword. An Enton Arrow to the throat would finish Hachibi as well. To increase the strike rate, he fires multiple of those arrows at different body parts. After two arrows hit his body and hurt and disabled him, the third one will easily finish the job by piercing the throat. And don't forget, the arrows can reach boss-summon size. So multiple shots will cause serious damage.

Bee can't win.

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