[VS] Killer Bee vs EMS Sasuke

[KidGamer65]

This will be repeated until Hachibi has no tails left. Hachibi already mentioned, that Amaterasu did cost him a lot of tails. What's cutting his limb off actually good for? He cuts off his limb, leaving Base Bee inside the tentacle while self being disabled by the flames. And there we'll have Base Bee again.

He cuts the limb, he escapes, and then he enters Bijuu Mode, bursts out of the tentacle with his Bijuu Dama ready and blows Sasuke apart.

-B has shown to enter Bijuu Mode with his Dama ready.

-Bijuu Mode can be entered instantly.

-Using Amaterasu on the tentacle is useless since B will be inside of it, thus protected.

-Using any kind of projectile won't work since B would tank and fire Bijuu Dama, or he'd plow through the projectile with Bijuu Dama.

And apropos, Sasuke did delete the flames, leaving Bee or Bee's clone behind. If the flame continued to burn, Hachibi may couldn't substitute.

The moment he cut the tentacle was the moment the real B got away. The flame continuing to burn has nothing to do with it.

Why didn't Hachibi by himself cut off his limb? Because the flame caused such a pain that he was rolling of pain.

Why would he cut off his Limb when the point was to make it look like he'd been defeated? That's completely counter intuitive.

Either way, Amaterasu IS faster. He won't use a Bijuudama while rolling around of pain. Simply not.

Never said he will, I said he'll escape Amaterasu and then enter Bijuu Mode again and fire Bijuu Dama.

In the end, even the Sandaime Raikage beat the Hachibi until he felt down of exhaustion. Is Sandaime more durable than v4 Susanoo? Surely not. And he seemingly had no problems with a Bijuu using such a Bijuudama. Suigetsu blocked the Bijuudama with a wall of water. Itachi's Susanoo on the other hand blocked a mountain busting flash.

Sandaime's durability is irrelevant since I'm seeing no evidence from you or the manga that he tanked Bijuu Dama. Not to mention he tanked an attack that would obliterate a Complete Susanoo w/ no damage whatsoever, saying he's more durable than V4 Susanoo isn't farfetched. Suigetsu blocked a widespread laser that has a smaller, thus weaker explosion than a regular Bijuu Dama, which vaporizes Mountains, and he did when connected to a lake. Itachi's Susanoo blocked a flash of lightning that took out a large hill/small Mountain and left some rubble behind. Bijuu Dama vaporizes large Mountains. B can fire 4 at once.

I really hope you aren't insinuating Sasuke can tank Bijuu Dama. I really hope you aren't.

Let's get not ahead of ourselves with saying, Hachibi simply blows him away. Sasuke has various way to not let it happen or probably even avoid it.

He doesn't avoid it, nor can he stop it from happening. He gets blown apart.

 

[Benjamin King]

No, he didn't. When B substitutes, he has to cut his tentacle off. Basic knowledge. However, the one to do that job for him was Sasuke

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. At that time, as you can see, his Sharingan was deactivated. As the tentacle sank to the bottom of the lake

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, Sasuke activated his Sharingan momentarily and deactivated them immediately after due to the stress to extinguish the flames

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. But by these times, as you could already see B was long gone.

Having Sharingan activated doesn't cost him Chakra or exhaustion, so he didn't deactivate his Sharingan nor had a reason to, considering he was on battle. Just because it looks black on background doesn't mean it's off. Sasuke's MS design is black on the background. Why are you even arguing about Bee's substitution? I'm talking about whether Sasuke's Sharingan was on the event or not; and Sasuke proves me correct:

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It's getting silly at this point.

 

[Strict]

@KidGamer

Sasuke is already familiar with him cutting off limbs to escape. He would react fast enough for it. The moment Hachibi cuts his limb off, is the moment Sasuke will go for that limb or wait for Bee or Hachibi appear again. The moment he comes or breaks out, is the moment Amaterasu is fired at him. Bee was shown to enter Bijuu Mode while charging a Bijuudama, but this transformation is still slower than Amaterasu. Hachibi mentioned, that he lost several limbs so Bee could get away. So how long could Bee keep this going?

If Amaterasu is faster, it will always be, since he won't fool Sasuke with cutting off limbs.

 

[KidGamer65]

1. No they don't. For example, this explosion covered more than the entire tentacle

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That's the Gudo Dama, and that doesn't prove anything I said wrong. They all head at the same relative location at the same altitude.

2. ...?

If he fires it, he fires at the tentacle. Don't know what you mean by firing at the ground when he clearly is targeting the tentacle and B can't move in that state. He also needs to go from human to BM. And another arrow or Amaterasu strikes again.

1. Sasuke sees the tentacle and fires at it.

2. The tentacle is on the ground. Due to its sheer size difference from the Full Gyuki, when B transforms, his lower body will be where the tentacle was, thus the arrows pierce there, not his upper body.

Well, obviously he needs to go from human form to BM, already said that he will.

Can B shoot a Bijuu Dama before Naruto lands Gudo Dama? Didn't think so, lol.

Is Susanoo arrow from normal Sasuke as fast as a Gudo Dama? No, don't think so. Did I show panels of Naruto firing Bijuu Dama as fast as Sasuke can fire an arrow? Yes, I did. Did I also show panel of Sasuke firing his arrow at the same time as Naruto firing his Bijuu Dama? Yes, I did. Are you still using Current Sasuke's feats for EMS Sasuke? Yes, and you should stop it, cause this isn't current Sasuke.

Thus he can fire a Bijuu Dama before the arrow hits him.

By foot speed? Yeah, nope. He used a snake to evade the arrow 2. That's nothing notable. By foot speed, Kabuto would never evade it.

He was in the snake, and he shifted upwards, so yes, he evaded it on foot. Being inside the snake doesn't increase his speed in any way, shape or form, so its irrelevant.

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Kabuto evades on foot as well.

So? The preparation is faster? Yes. Impact is stronger? Yes. The arrow travels faster? Nope. The arrow travels just as fast as MS Sasuke's. Also, the impact was already at the water. From the scan I posted, look where Sasuke was standing at. The distance wasn't 50/50. More like 70-80/30-20.

Too bad there is zero proof for the bold. EMS Sasuke's arrows are prepped and fired as fast as Bijuu Dama can be charged and fired. The Gudo Dama are faster than both, thus Sasuke's arrows fire faster.

The only Bijuu with notable strength is Kurama, all other are equal. As B and Hachibi himself said, you don't judge a Bijuu by tails. And since when was Shukaku weakened?

All equal in strength, yet B was physically manhandling two of them?

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Son Goku was physically overwhelming B, yet they are physically equal?

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Yeah, no. Nothing implies they are all physically equal.

Smacked away? You don't smack away a snake. Why? Because it won't roll over. Aoda would take the impact/dodge and restrain B for even 5 seconds and Sasuke is done already.

Lol? What? It not rolling over has nothing to do with anything here. Aoda gets hit, and it goes flying just how Kokuo went flying when B smacked him. If its coming at B first and he counter attacks, its not evading, and its not "taking the impact" either.

Not to mention you've ignored the Bijuu Dama point just about twice now. B fires a Bijuu Dama, Aoda dies, and Sasuke dies. That simple.

 

[Strict]

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Isn't this scan actually in our favor?
This scan says that Hachibi himself would have no time to cut off his limb, so Sasuke was the one who helped him to accomplish this.

 

[Benjamin King]

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Isn't this scan actually in our favor?
This scan says that Hachibi himself would have no time to cut off his limb, so Sasuke was the one who helped him to accomplish this.

Nice try, you noob...

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Bee can do that on his own.

 

[Strict]

But in this scenario, Hachibi wasn't burning and rolling of pain.
Sasuke clearly said, that Hachibi couldn't do it on his own without Sasuke realizing it and dealing with it.

So Sasuke helped him. Fact? Fact.

 

[KidGamer65]

@KidGamer

Sasuke is already familiar with him cutting off limbs to escape. He would react fast enough for it. The moment Hachibi cuts his limb off, is the moment Sasuke will go for that limb or wait for Bee or Hachibi appear again. The moment he comes or breaks out, is the moment Amaterasu is fired at him.

Sasuke going for the limb is pointless, as I've already explained. Using Amaterasu on the tentacle doesn't hurt B since he's inside, so he bursts from the tentacle, enters Bijuu Mode with his Bijuu Dama and blows Sasuke to kingdom come.

If he waits for Hachibi to appear, it'll have its Bijuu Dama ready to fire, so then Sasuke gets blown apart. Even if he uses Amaterasu, the Bijuu Dama is still fired and he still dies.

Bee was shown to enter Bijuu Mode while charging a Bijuudama, but this transformation is still slower than Amaterasu. Hachibi mentioned, that he lost several limbs so Bee could get away. So how long could Bee keep this going?

Irrelevant. BM B won't be visible to Sasuke until he's emerged from the tentacle, and once he's emerged, his Bijuu Dama will be ready, and by that time Amaterasu isn't going to change anything. B fires it, Sasuke dies. B might get hit by Amaterasu, but he escapes once again by cutting his tentacle and calls it a day.

There won't be a third time B needs to use this technique. Sasuke dies after the first use.

 

[Apêx1]

Wind makes the flame bigger and hotter. If Sasuke could replicate the same exact thing on his own, there'd be no need for Naruto. So the biggest he can use is that Enton Arrow he showed us.


COFRS is already larger than the Enton Arrow, so it did get larger, but not as large as it did vs. Perfect Juubito. Not to mention the flame gets hotter as well.





It only interfered with its rotation because it ate the Wind Shuriken, which spins the Rasengan around, thus keeping it stable, as Rasengan needs continuous rotation to be maintained. Bijuu Dama has no such downfall, so Enton Arrow isn't going to stop it.

Enton Arrow is smaller than COFRS, then it hit COFRS and became Bijuu Sized, which was the size of COFRS. So no, its not fallacious.

What exactly are referring to with the bold?

The biggest Enton he's shown to use is the arrow, no reason for us to believe that he can use anything larger.

Okay. Heat is irrelevant since it doesn't equate to size.

Ok, it simply assumed the shape of the FRS itself. Sasuke uses Ketai Henka with Enton which allows him to control the shape of the Enton he is utilising. It only got that big against Juubito because the Rasengan was still intact, thus exploded.

No, it was quite evident that the Enton arrow was interfering with the rotation on the bottom left panel here [

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] signified by the effects of its contact, and then later you can see that it is in fact true, because the Arrow itself is still present in the same place [

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], thus was constantly interfering with the rotation without being cut by the FRS's rotational speed. TBB works like Rasengan's mechanics, thus it would be logical to assume it has some sense of rotation to it, I believe.

Be can't escape it, he needed Sasuke's help in cutting the tentacle, since he was screaming in agony. Amateratsu isn't to be underrated when it could burn through Juubito's skin instantly.

 

[Benjamin King]

But in this scenario, Hachibi wasn't burning and rolling of pain.
Sasuke clearly said, that Hachibi couldn't do it on his own without Sasuke realizing it and dealing with it.

So Sasuke helped him. Fact? Fact.

Sasuke's words are based on his ignorance that Bee could not cut his limbs by himself. Therefore, his saying is invalid. And how does being in pain prevent him? The Chakra Chains suppress the Bijuu's power, but that didn't prevent him from substituting.

 

[Rιver]

Having Sharingan activated doesn't cost him Chakra or exhaustion, so he didn't deactivate his Sharingan nor had a reason to, considering he was on battle. Just because it looks black on background doesn't mean it's off. Sasuke's MS design is black on the background. Why are you even arguing about Bee's substitution? I'm talking about whether Sasuke's Sharingan was on the event or not; and Sasuke proves me correct:

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It's getting silly at this point.

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Are you serious with this?

You're telling me Sharingan doesn't need to be visible to be on. What?

 

[Strict]

Irrelevant. BM B won't be visible to Sasuke until he's emerged from the tentacle, and once he's emerged, his Bijuu Dama will be ready, and by that time Amaterasu isn't going to change anything. B fires it, Sasuke dies. B might get hit by Amaterasu, but he escapes once again by cutting his tentacle and calls it a day.

There won't be a third time B needs to use this technique. Sasuke dies after the first use.

So Hachibi with a charged Bijuudama can hide in this tight entrance of the limb?

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[Benjamin King]

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Are you serious with this?

The manga is:

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[Rιver]

So Hachibi with a charged Bijuudama can hide in this tight entrance of the limb?

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His point is probably that Bijuu Dama forms so fast that once he's in BM, he forms fast Bijuu Dama.

The manga is:

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1. One can activate a single Mangekyo.

2. Susano'O doesn't require Mangekyo nor eyes, as Madara demonstrated.

Debunked.

 

[Benjamin King]

He already did that in base:

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Do Uchihaha fanboys have a habit of downgrading feats?

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok, it simply assumed the shape of the FRS itself. Sasuke uses Ketai Henka with Enton which allows him to control the shape of the Enton he is utilising. It only got that big against Juubito because the Rasengan was still intact, thus exploded.

Yeah, which was much larger than the Enton Arrow on its own, thus it got larger. Not to mention Sasuke can't manipulate his flame unless he's in contact with it somehow, so it got that large and took that shape because of the size and shape of the COFRS.

@bold: Yup.

No, it was quite evident that the Enton arrow was interfering with the rotation on the bottom left panel here [

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] signified by the effects of its contact, and then later you can see that it is in fact true, because the Arrow itself is still present in the same place [

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], thus was constantly interfering with the rotation without being cut by the FRS's rotational speed. TBB works like Rasengan's mechanics, thus it would be logical to assume it has some sense of rotation to it, I believe.

The only way it stopped the rotation is because it ate the Wind that causes the Rasengan to rotate. That scan shows nothing but the flame beginning to eat up the wind, which was the cause of the whole Enton consuming COFRS thing. Bijuu Dama has no wind, or any elemental weakness to Enton, so that isn't happening with it. The arrow in the same place doesn't mean anything since the arrow was the flame that ate through Wind, and overpowered it.

It ate the wind that causes the rotation, thus no rotation. That's the only way it'll ever stop the rotation of FRS, by eating the Wind Shuriken. Not because Enton can stop the rotation, not seeing how this makes sense.

Enton is not eating through a Bijuu Dama, Bijuu Dama plows right through it.

Be can't escape it, he needed Sasuke's help in cutting the tentacle, since he was screaming in agony. Amateratsu isn't to be underrated when it could burn through Juubito's skin instantly.

Lol. He didn't cut the tentacle because its counter intuitive, not because he couldn't do it himself. Why would he make it look he's trying to pull a stunt, when he wants them to think that they defeated him so he could escape. It'd make no sense.

Burn through Juubito's skin?

1. No, it didn't.
2. It was amplified by Naruto. Fire burns hotter when Wind is added.

Sasuke's Amaterasu on its own didn't burn through Ay, it didn't burn through the Samurai, and it didn't burn through the Zetsu clones.

 

[KidGamer65]

So Hachibi with a charged Bijuudama can hide in this tight entrance of the limb?

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No, once he enters Bijuu Mode, he'll burst from the tentacle with his Bijuu Dama ready just how Naruto and Bunta burst from Gaara's sand when the former was trapped in it.

But in this scenario, Hachibi wasn't burning and rolling of pain.
Sasuke clearly said, that Hachibi couldn't do it on his own without Sasuke realizing it and dealing with it.

So Sasuke helped him. Fact? Fact.

Sasuke's words mean that based on what transpired, there is no way that B split without him knowing it. Don't know how you got the bold from his statement, but that's not what it meant. At all.

 

[Benjamin King]

1. One can activate a single Mangekyo.

Proof?

2. Susano'O doesn't require Mangekyo nor eyes, as Madara demonstrated.

Sasuke isn't Madara.

Debunked.

Debunked what?

 

[Strict]

His point is probably that Bijuu Dama forms so fast that once he's in BM, he forms fast Bijuu Dama.

So Sasuke can't react to a Bijuu emerging from a limb Sasuke has seen to be cut off and charging a Bijuudama, with a single glance? Or does he think that the Hachibi charges his Bijuudama inside of this tight entrance, breaks out and immediately fires the Bijuudama at where Sasuke exactly stands?

 

[Rιver]

Proof?

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Sasuke isn't Madara.

Itachi already did this

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Debunked what?

All of it.

So Sasuke can't react to a Bijuu emerging from a limb Sasuke has seen to be cut off and charging a Bijuudama, with a single glance? Or does he think that the Hachibi charges his Bijuudama inside of this tight entrance, breaks out and immediately fires the Bijuudama at where Sasuke exactly stands?

Apparently. Given that we don't even know how fast he can burst out of it. With damage.