Killer Bee could defeat EMS Sasuke

[KisuneUchiha]

EMS Sasuke doesn't have Perfect Susano'o. And his legged Susano'o isn't that great, tbh. Killer Bee's Chakra Arms could easily toss it around.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB] ​

Chakra arm feats from B? Don't go making assumptions

 

[SuperChief]

The only Susanoo that has been shown to be armored onto Kurama is PS. Unless you believe that Madara doesn't have Perfect Susanoo, then this does prove your retarded assertion that Sasuke doesn't have PS wrong since it was the exact same thing when Sasuke armored his PS onto Kurama's Avatar.

What we saw was Sasuke covered Kurama with Susanoo armour. As has been established, Susanoo do have armour. The fact that Madara armoured Kurama with his PS, does not mean that is the only way it can be achieved. That is a presumption on your part, which is supposition you have failed to support with anything concrete.

Except when he said "Lets finish this with one attack" he did use PS, and he armored it onto Kurama.

So you say.

The strongest Susanoo he managed was Perfect Susanoo. What he armored onto Kurama has no resemblance to a full bodied Complete Susanoo, and looks exactly how PS looks like, yet Sasuke's strongest Susanoo is a full bodied one? Lol.

You're deflecting. They look similar, and? That doesn't mean they're one and the same, nor does it prove Sasuke had PS. If he had it, he would have used it. He didn't use it when the situation was most dire, therefore logic dictates he didn't have it at the time.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

What we saw was Sasuke covered Kurama with Susanoo armour. As has been established, Susanoo do have armour. The fact that Madara armoured Kurama with his PS, does not that is the only way it can be achieved. That is a presumption on your part, which is supposition you have failed to support with anything concrete.



So you say.



You're deflecting. They look similar, and? That doesn't mean they're one and the same, nor does it prove Sasuke had PS. If he had it, he would have used it. He didn't use it when the situation was most dire, therefore logic dictates he didn't have it at the time.

Faulty logic
Naruto has already been shown to be able to give chakra cloaks to people
Why hasn't he given one to Sasuke, Obito, Sakura, or Kakashi in the previous fight?

 

[KisuneUchiha]

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Adding into this, that diamond thing on kyubi's head is a trait that only PS has, js no lesser form of Susanoo has been seen with that diamond on the head. Js
Haters can deny the manga all they want, but facts are facts, to deny them is to deny Kishi

 

[KidGamer65]

What we saw was Sasuke covered Kurama with Susanoo armour. As has been established, Susanoo do have armour. The fact that Madara armoured Kurama with his PS, does not that is the only way it can be achieved. That is a presumption on your part, which is supposition you have failed to support with anything concrete.

The fact that it was stated

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, and the fact that it looks similar is proof that its PS. Susanoo is identified by looks. If two Susanoo have similar physical traits, they are of the same level. Its that simple. Especially when one shows traits that ONLY PS shows.

-No other level of Susanoo shows a samurai's blade.

-No other level of Susanoo shows a samurai's shoulder guards.

-No other level of Susanoo shows that pointy Tengu Nose.

When you can show me what other level of Susanoo that Sasuke could have used that shows all of these traits without exception, then we can talk about him armoring a full bodied Susanoo onto Kurama. Until then, it was PS.

So you say.

So the manga shows.

You're deflecting. They look similar, and? That doesn't mean they're one and the same, nor does it prove Sasuke had PS. If he had it, he would have used it. He didn't use it when the situation was most dire, therefore logic dictates he didn't have it at the time.

That is exactly what it means as that is how Susanoo is identified. By looks. The best this excuse would help you is if you were arguing that they aren't the same power level based on looks alone, except that isn't what I'm arguing, so this doesn't help you at all.

When it was time to finish things, Sasuke went full power. That simple. You keep saying that he didn't use it when it was most dire, even though he did. Him not going full power from the start doesn't shit. If we used this logic we'd be saying that Naruto couldn't use the Kurama Avatar because he didn't start out with it, and instead fought in KCM. We'd be saying that Sasuke couldn't have used

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, because he decided to resort to

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Please take the fail logic elsewhere buddy.

 

[KisuneUchiha]

What we saw was Sasuke covered Kurama with Susanoo armour. As has been established, Susanoo do have armour. The fact that Madara armoured Kurama with his PS, does not that is the only way it can be achieved. That is a presumption on your part, which is supposition you have failed to support with anything concrete.



So you say.



You're deflecting. They look similar, and? That doesn't mean they're one and the same, nor does it prove Sasuke had PS. If he had it, he would have used it. He didn't use it when the situation was most dire, therefore logic dictates he didn't have it at the time.

By that logic Sasuke's lesser Susanoo looked exactly like Madara's PS. It's been implied that it was a PS when Sasuke said "Is this how Madara did it?..."
Why do you people try so hard to deny the facts given to them, and rue countering with baseless speculation. It feels like if Kishimoto himself were to flat out state that EMS Sasuke has PS, that you people would still deny it

 

[BlazeRelease]

I guess you think there is zero chance that bee was doing what he always does when he is in bijuu form,
That is, flopping his tentacles around rather than sitting like a rock.

Amaterasus him mid transformation.

If he doesn't transform, susanoo.

 

[wael reda]

Good points about bee reactions ,I can see v2 bee evading ms sasuke's amatrasu (EMS sasuke's amatrasu is supposed to be better and faster)
Personally ,I think bee is stronger than even kcm naruto and it was portrayed more than once in the manga ,but I think he would lose to ems sasuke

 

[Styles]

This is obvious. Killer B would wreck EMS Sasuke, no problem.

EMS Sasuke doesn't have PS, the best he would have is full-bodied, armoured Susanoo. Even if he had PS, the power of a PS was compared to a bijū, i.e. it's an unsubstantiated claim by the most arrogant character in the entire series.

B waxes EMS Sasuke with little difficulty and there's little else to it.

Come on now even you don't believe this mess.

 

[Gokuy]

Come on now even you don't believe this mess.

Wrong. Your in denial.

 

[SuperChief]

Faulty logic
Naruto has already been shown to be able to give chakra cloaks to people
Why hasn't he given one to Sasuke, Obito, Sakura, or Kakashi in the previous fight?

What are you even trying to get at?

The fact that it was stated

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, and the fact that it looks similar is proof that its PS. Susanoo is identified by looks. If two Susanoo have similar physical traits, they are of the same level. Its that simple. Especially when one shows traits that ONLY PS shows.

-No other level of Susanoo shows a samurai's blade.

-No other level of Susanoo shows a samurai's shoulder guards.

-No other level of Susanoo shows that pointy Tengu Nose.

When you can show me what other level of Susanoo that Sasuke could have used that shows all of these traits without exception, then we can talk about him armoring a full bodied Susanoo onto Kurama. Until then, it was PS.

So the manga shows.

That is exactly what it means as that is how Susanoo is identified. By looks. The best this excuse would help you is if you were arguing that they aren't the same power level based on looks alone, except that isn't what I'm arguing, so this doesn't help you at all.

When it was time to finish things, Sasuke went full power. That simple. You keep saying that he didn't use it when it was most dire, even though he did. Him not going full power from the start doesn't shit. If we used this logic we'd be saying that Naruto couldn't use the Kurama Avatar because he didn't start out with it, and instead fought in KCM. We'd be saying that Sasuke couldn't have used

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, because he decided to resort to

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Please take the fail logic elsewhere buddy.

Do you know what's funny about this long widened wall of text? I actually went back to double check what you were saying, and the manga clearly shows Madara was using his full-bodied, armoured Susanoo, which is the highest level of Susanoo I believed Sasuke could use.

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In other words, you entire argument was based on a faulty premise to begin with because Madara never combined his Perfect Susanoo with Kurama. He used his stabilised, armoured Susanoo.

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[theacknowledgedone]

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EMS Sasuke does not have PS. Only trolls disagree.

 

[KidGamer65]

What are you even trying to get at?



Do you know what's funny about this long widened wall of text? I actually went back to double check what you were saying, and the manga clearly shows Madara was using his full-bodied, armoured Susanoo, which is the highest level of Susanoo I believed Sasuke could use.

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In other words, you entire argument was based on a faulty premise to begin with because Madara never combined his Perfect Susanoo with Kurama. He used his stabilised, armoured Susanoo.

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Do you know what's funny about this post? Its inaccurate, just lik every post on this thread. Madara didn't armor that onto Kurama, he stabilized it and then armored it onto Kurama. This just goes back to my post where I clearly tell you how to identify Perfect Susanoo.

-Does the Susanoo you are referencing have PS's Shoulder Guards?

No.

-Does it have Samurai Katana?

No, it has larger versions of the standard Susanoo blade.

-Does it have the Tengu Nose?

No, I can't even see its nose.

But this does.

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Like I said, he armored PS onto Kurama at the VoTE, and Sasuke did it vs. Juubito.

 

[ChocolateVanilla]

What are you even trying to get at?



Do you know what's funny about this long widened wall of text? I actually went back to double check what you were saying, and the manga clearly shows Madara was using his full-bodied, armoured Susanoo, which is the highest level of Susanoo I believed Sasuke could use.

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In other words, you entire argument was based on a faulty premise to begin with because Madara never combined his Perfect Susanoo with Kurama. He used his stabilised, armoured Susanoo.

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Grasping at straws now. You can clearly see that Madara's Susano'o in that picture is not fully stabilized, while the one that he placed on the Kyuubi was. The main difference betwen a legged V4 and PS is stabilization.

 

[SuperChief]

Do you know what's funny about this post? Its inaccurate, just lik every post on this thread. Madara didn't armor that onto Kurama, he stabilized it and then armored it onto Kurama. This just goes back to my post where I clearly tell you how to identify Perfect Susanoo.

-Does the Susanoo you are referencing have PS's Shoulder Guards?

No.

-Does it have Samurai Katana?

No, it has larger versions of the standard Susanoo blade.

-Does it have the Tengu Nose?

No, I can't even see its nose.

But this does.

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Like I said, he armored PS onto Kurama at the VoTE, and Sasuke did it vs. Juubito.

What's inaccurate is your baseless insistence Sasuke was capable of producing a PS when the manga clearly shows that Madara didn't even use it himself. The tengu nose and shoulder guards don't prove much either. I can play the same game with you on that front.

See the blades Sasuke's PS use?

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Now see the blades EMS Sasuke used when armouring Kurama?

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They're undeniably not the same. The only difference between your argument and mine is that it makes sense that if Sasuke was capable of performing PS, he would have used it. The simple fact is that Sasuke wasn't capable of using PS prior to his power up.

It takes some world class mental gymnastics to observe Madara's armoured Susanoo and Kurama before the blasts and fused after, and then come to the conclusion Madara used PS off panel.

Grasping at straws now. You can clearly see that Madara's Susano'o in that picture is not fully stabilized, while the one that he placed on the Kyuubi was. The main difference betwen a legged V4 and PS is stabilization.

No, clearly that is your side of the argument that hails the most circumstantial evidence as concrete proof.

 

[Bronze]

I can go in look depth on explaining why Bee beats EMS Sasuke, however I'll keep it short.

Considering he fought Sasuke before and also fought Itachi, who he witnessed using Susanoo, he'll have good idea on Sasuke's arsenal. He has Hachibi, who has shown to be intellect individual. Genjutsu doesn't work on Perfect Jinchuuriki [

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]. Amatersu was countered in canon, and to save up the substitution, he can avoid it using V2's speed and reaction time. Susanoo has nothing on Hachibi's prowess; literally nothing.

Bee's durability was shown to withstand many powerful attacks throughout the war:

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Sasuke's pitiful Susanoo attacks aren't bypassing Hachibi's durability. Not to mention his PS has no feats of being close to Madara's PS, so it's pointless including it. Bee beats Sasuke mid-high diff.

 

[Styles]

Wrong. Your in denial.

Lel I'm denial yet you're the one that said this BS on my sig.

EMS Sasuke

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EMS Sasuke does not have PS. Only trolls disagree.

So by your logic Rinnegan gave Sasuke PS? If so then Rinnegan gave Madara PS too. Since he showed the same Susano'o as Sasuke with EMS.

 

[KidGamer65]

What's inaccurate is your baseless insistence Sasuke was capable of producing a PS when the manga clearly shows that Madara didn't even use it himself. The tengu nose and shoulder guards don't prove much either. I can play the same game with you on that front

Madara did produce a PS by himself, as the manga clearly shows.

@bold: Lol, based on what? Your objections don't equate to an argument. When you can show me any other version of Susanoo that has those, then we can talk. Besides PS:

-What Susanoo has a Tengu Nose?

-What Susanoo has Samurai Shoulder Guards?

Not Ribcage, not Skeletal, not Complete and not Armored. I'm still waiting for an actual answer to the question.

See the blades Sasuke's PS use?

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Now see the blades EMS Sasuke used when armouring Kurama?

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They're undeniably not the same. The only difference between your argument and mine is that it makes sense that if Sasuke was capable of performing PS, he would have used it. The simple fact is that Sasuke wasn't capable of using PS prior to his power up.

The only difference is that Sasuke's is wrapped up in scales while Madara's isn't. Its still a Samurai's Katana. Does this change all the other similarities? No. It doesn't. The fact that you have no direct reply to the similarities, and are instead trying to ignore them as if they don't matter only solidifies the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about at this point.

Sasuke used PS when it came time to finish things, him not going full power from the start isn't evidence that he can't go full power, and you keeping saying he didn't use PS, even though he did, in the last exchange. Lol, little ass kids could read the manga and come to the correct conclusion, don't see why it should be so hard for you.

It takes some world class mental gymnastics to observe Madara's armoured Susanoo and Kurama before the blasts and fused after, and then come to the conclusion Madara used PS off panel.

That is exactly what happened. He armored PS onto Kurama just how Sasuke did to Naruto's Kurama Avatar. Pretty much everyone who can read the manga knows that this is what happened, well, everyone who can read the manga correctly anyway.

I'm waiting for a valid argument from you or anyone else who believes he doesn't have PS.

 

[SuperChief]

Right, clearly this argument is going in circles because you're so adamant to reiterate the same piss poor arguments that hold no water.

 

[KidGamer65]

Right, clearly this argument is going in circles because you're so adamant to reiterate the same piss poor arguments that hold no water.

This argument is going in circles cause you have a bad habit of ignoring evidence, pulling shit out of your ass to try and substantiate whatever nonsensical argument that pops into your mind. When we get down to the important stuff, your whole argument is:

"He didn't use PS off the bat, so he doesn't have it"

Lol.