Kidomaru vs Sasori

[Dannie]

Why is Sasori nerfed so much?

100 puppets still beat him.

 

[super yang]

Why is Sasori nerfed so much?

100 puppets still beat him.

relative to kidos capabilities, it really isn't that much of a nerf...

 

[FemmeFatale]

Does kiddomaru breath?

 

[blazekev90]

Years doesn't come into it and doesn't sound nearly as impressive as you may think it does :') I've loved Kabuto since the Forest of Death days and know everything there is to know about him and his base moveset but i've still been wrong on occasion. What matters is we've both done our research.

The puppets are many in number and very agile. Why do you think one web would get them all at once?

And yes but even if armour doesn't form everywhere he doesn't cover himself in it head to toe. He leaves some areas either open a.) because he can't cover them b.) he needs some open spots so he can move and fight back.

Trust me, it's quite impressive. Whether it matters to you or anyone else is irrelevant because it matters to me. Kabuto...I could careless about. Never liked him and never will.

Number advantage means nothing when they offer no offensive threat, they don't even provide a good distraction. Agile, yet extremely fragile. He wouldn't use just one, I said he'd start with one as a frontline defense. As shown against Itachi and Sasuke, he'd be able to shot two large ones. In that fight, there was one in front of the Uchiha brothers and another behind them. So, considering the distance and using the location to him advantage, Kidomaru shooting one further from him, following up with others as support would be key.

Even is he doesn't ever from head to toe, which offensive attack is Sasori using? Where would it strike, that Kidomaru wouldn't think about covering?

 

[V h o]

No.

Speed in the databook includes foot speed and reaction speed. Sasori has shown NEITHER! The speed he has shown was In relation to his hand speed, which was easily predicted by Sakura after briefly analyzing his battle style. You can't compare Neji's hand speed to Sasori's hand speed. That's utterly ridiculous.

Kidomaru was never overwhelmed his Neji's close combat, something he wouldn't have to be concerned about against Sasori anyway.

Are you denying the DB on speed? The databook clearly states his speed as a 4.5 while Kidomaru is a 3. Sakura and Chiyo were both getting

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and they had more firepower than Kidomaru and his spider. At the range of 70 meters Kidomaru will only have his bow which still takes a while to fire, meanwhile he is getting flanked and bombarded by 100 puppets. Close range combat is one of kidomaru weakness as he has slower speed and taijutsu while Sasori is superior (4 and 4.5). Neji was in close range roughly twice the whole battle, and the first time resulted in

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. Am I saying sasori taijutsu skills are equal to gentle fist- no, I'm saying kidomaru can't keep up with taijutsu which supports his low stats in taijutsu and speed.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Trust me, it's quite impressive. Whether it matters to you or anyone else is irrelevant because it matters to me. Kabuto...I could careless about. Never liked him and never will.

Oh it's really cool yeah just not an actual feat from a debating POV. No offence meant.

Even is he doesn't ever from head to toe, which offensive attack is Sasori using? Where would it strike, that Kidomaru wouldn't think about covering?

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Well here he's leaving himself way open. And it took 11 fighting bodies at once to take out the 100 puppets, fragile as they may be. The number really does overwhelm one person, especially when one is all it takes.

Femme actually did raise a pretty good point. There's eye holes and others otherwise how does he breathe?

And if he's head to toe covered in Sticky Gold Armour I hope he brought rations because he's not going to be agile. At all. In fact with his joints covered up he may not even be able to fight.

 

[blazekev90]

Are you denying the DB on speed? The databook clearly states his speed as a 4.5 while Kidomaru is a 3. Sakura and Chiyo were both getting

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and they had more firepower than Kidomaru and his spider. At the range of 70 meters Kidomaru will only have his bow which still takes a while to fire, meanwhile he is getting flanked and bombarded by 100 puppets. Close range combat is one of kidomaru weakness as he has slower speed and taijutsu while Sasori is superior (4 and 4.5). Neji was in close range roughly twice the whole battle, and the first time resulted in

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. Am I saying sasori taijutsu skills are equal to gentle fist- no, I'm saying kidomaru can't keep up with taijutsu which supports his low stats in taijutsu and speed.

Not denying the databook, I'm clarifying the confusion between speed and hand speed. The databook focuses on foot speed. The scans you displayed are puppets moving according to Sasori's hand speed. Neither Chiyo nor Sakura was overwhelmed by his speed, but rather the # advantage. On the contrary, Kidomaru has defensive the eliminate that issue of being overwhelmed as I've explained before.

More firepower? Please elaborate. Kidomaru has bow variations, some take time according to accuracy and others don't. This wouldn't be an issue, as Chakra Webs slows the enemies movement and makes the useless.

Both of you have failed to explain HOW those Puppets bypass Chakra a Web, a question I've asked repeatedly and have to see an answer.

Kidomaru never said close combat was his weakened, he said close combat against someone as Neji (clan) would be foolish as he's been informed by Orochimaru. Show me Sasori's speed and/or Taijutsu

Trust me, it's quite impressive. Whether it matters to you or anyone else is irrelevant because it matters to me. Kabuto...I could careless about. Never liked him and never will.

Oh it's really cool yeah just not an actual feat from a debating POV. No offence meant.

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Well here he's leaving himself way open. And it took 11 fighting bodies at once to take out the 100 puppets, fragile as they may be. The number really does overwhelm one person, especially when one is all it takes.

Femme actually did raise a pretty good point. There's eye holes and others otherwise how does he breathe?

And if he's head to toe covered in Sticky Gold Armour I hope he brought rations because he's not going to be agile. At all. In fact with his joints covered up he may not even be able to fight.

None taken, though experience always prevails. So, in a sense....it is.

If Kidomaru doesnt breathe, Sasori using poison is useless. Personally, I think that's a ridiculous question, unless she had a good reason for asking.

Ok, again! You're referring to Gold Armor, which is used once he feels it's necessary, meaning the distance has been closed. You have yet to explain how the puppets reach Kidomaru, how Sasori counters his arrows prior to reaching him, how the chakra strings aren't effects by chakra webs, or which attack is harming Kidomaru


Both of you have been running around the question/arguments provided and are focusing on either 1) speed and 2) fodder puppets that have no feats.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Not denying the databook, I'm clarifying the confusion between speed and hand speed. The databook focuses on foot speed. The scans you displayed are puppets moving according to Sasori's hand speed. Neither Chiyo nor Sakura was overwhelmed by his speed, but rather the # advantage. On the contrary, Kidomaru has defensive the eliminate that issue of being overwhelmed as I've explained before.

More firepower? Please elaborate. Kidomaru has bow variations, some take time according to accuracy and others don't. This wouldn't be an issue, as Chakra Webs slows the enemies movement and makes the useless.

Both of you have failed to explain HOW those Puppets bypass Chakra a Web, a question I've asked repeatedly and have to see an answer.

Kidomaru never said close combat was his weakened, he said close combat against someone as Neji (clan) would be foolish as he's been informed by Orochimaru. Show me Sasori's speed and/or Taijutsu

None taken, though experience always prevails. So, in a sense....it is.

If Kidomaru doesnt breathe, Sasori using poison is useless. Personally, I think that's a ridiculous question, unless she had a good reason for asking.

Ok, again! You're referring to Gold Armor, which is used once he feels it's necessary, meaning the distance has been closed. You have yet to explain how the puppets reach Kidomaru, how Sasori counters his arrows prior to reaching him, how the chakra strings aren't effects by chakra webs, or which attack is harming Kidomaru


Both of you have been running around the question/arguments provided and are focusing on either 1) speed and 2) fodder puppets that have no feats.

No no no not at all, it took Sakura & Chikamatsu's 10 puppets to take them all out. One person simply cannot do that IMO unless they are insanely fast. I mean like Lee level or have Madara scale jutsu.

 

[blazekev90]

Not denying the databook, I'm clarifying the confusion between speed and hand speed. The databook focuses on foot speed. The scans you displayed are puppets moving according to Sasori's hand speed. Neither Chiyo nor Sakura was overwhelmed by his speed, but rather the # advantage. On the contrary, Kidomaru has defensive the eliminate that issue of being overwhelmed as I've explained before.

More firepower? Please elaborate. Kidomaru has bow variations, some take time according to accuracy and others don't. This wouldn't be an issue, as Chakra Webs slows the enemies movement and makes the useless.

Both of you have failed to explain HOW those Puppets bypass Chakra a Web, a question I've asked repeatedly and have to see an answer.

Kidomaru never said close combat was his weakened, he said close combat against someone as Neji (clan) would be foolish as he's been informed by Orochimaru. Show me Sasori's speed and/or Taijutsu


No no no not at all, it took Sakura & Chikamatsu's 10 puppets to take them all out. One person simply cannot do that IMO unless they are insanely fast. I mean like Lee level or have Madara scale jutsu.

They used those other puppets as they had nothing else to eliminate such a large number of opponents. You're ignoring the fact the chakra webs does exactly that. The reason why you haven't explained how they counter it. The moment Sasori summons those puppets, Kidomaru uses chakra webs to slow them from reaching him. This strategy isn't difficult to picture and comprehend.

Speed isn't the only way to counter those many puppets. Shinobi would large scales attacks or defenses can do so as well. Ex) Garra himself isn't fast, but he'll be able to draw sand fast enough to block/shield/disable approaching puppets.

 

[Alfred Pennyworth]

All the spiders do are eat, they're poisonous too from knowledge.

....but what are they going to do. Sasori does not have skin.

Don‘t those spiders also have strings of webs attached to them? As they descend a wall of sticky web can be formed.
Or they can encircle sasori or any of his puppets,though it is all very unlikely

 

[TheOneWhoSpeaksTruth]

one scratch from sasori's poison and gg.

 

[Made in Heaven]

one scratch from sasori's poison and gg.

Golden skin protects him though

 

[TRE MERCER]

Because Kidomaru never covers his entire body. A rape of poison bladed puppets puts an end to him.

Yea he's putting up a very decent argument for Sasori.

 

[blazekev90]

Yea he's putting up a very decent argument for Sasori.

There hasn't been one made for Sasori. Other than speed n poison.

 

[Zexion~]

Itachi himself said him nor Sasuke could cut thru that web. They had to resort to using amatersau. Therefore, it only having held"5 gennin" is irrelevant

Thats nice? Lml I'm not saying they can cut through it i'm saying that its not large enough to hold a hundred puppets U_U

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

Thats nice? Lml I'm not saying they can cut through it i'm saying that its not large enough to hold a hundred puppets U_U

I know right? Kidomaru does NOT have Madara/Kakazu scale jutsu or 11 different bodies to fend them off at once like Sakura & Chiyo needed. Kidomaru can definitely capture a few or smash a couple but 100 puppets is effective because it's quantity over quality. They're delicate but super agile. Kidomaru gets swarmed, simple as. I LOVE Kidomaru and dislike Sasori but that's how it is.

 

[blazekev90]

Thats nice? Lml I'm not saying they can cut through it i'm saying that its not large enough to hold a hundred puppets U_U

I'm saying more than ine web is capable if doing so, especially since they're being controlled chakra strings. So those that past thru the first web would still be tangled. With that distance, Kidomaru can shoot more than one web ahead of him.

 

[Bad Touch Yakushi]

I'm saying more than ine web is capable if doing so, especially since they're being controlled chakra strings. So those that past thru the first web would still be tangled. With that distance, Kidomaru can shoot more than one web ahead of him.

These things are coming at him from every angle. Are you saying he can spit out and set out webs traps in every direction before one scrapes him?

Also throw in Hiruko's poison needle mouth spray, a gas canister that shoots even more poison and the Third Kazekage puppet which utterly wrecks Kidomaru and there's no chance. The Third's puppet's right arm held several poisoned blades, while the left arm could open up to reveal several summoning seals that summoned thousands of similar arms to attack the target.

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These arms were capable of crushing an opponent, emitting poisonous gas clouds, and releasing wires that dragged the opponent into the gas cloud. Oh and the large-scale jutsu Iron Sand? That's mixed with poison as well so...game over.

Kidomaru's holes in his armour mean he's dying in that gas cloud even if 6 arms are miraculously to make it through 100 puppets at once. And then by that time Sasori will have the Third Kazekage puppet, which is a gameender. A, B and C plans. Each one kills the Spider chunnin with jounin level abilities (not to mention major personality flaws).

 

[paratise]

Sasori gets to be underrated here a lot.

-He can use his own chakra strings to flip away the webs if they come at them. Considering he can control about 100 puppets at a time, he can easily attach strings to that amount of webs [

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-Hiruko (people question how Sasori can bypass gold armor but how is Kidomaru bypassing Hiruko?) . This guy is no sensor thus have no way of knowing where is his core. Kidomaru needs to bypass Hiruko and his arrows are casuing pinpoint damage [

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] (so he can harm a little part of his defense if he can) & have not shown the DC comparable to Sakura's punch which can break huge boulders [

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-Kidomaru's gold armor. It have been stated to be protective against chakra [

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] so it is suspectable to any type of other attacks, physical or ninjutsu. Even if it was protective against chakra, it got worn out [

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] after Neji's strikes, which are chakra.

-Objectiles. Now these are just getting blocked by Hiruko, or getting flicked by Hiruko's tail [

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-That huge spider summon have not shown any feats of durability, firepower or speed. It was just huge, it get poisoned and diced.

Last of all, stamina. Sasori is a puppet with immortality. He can easily outlast Kidomaru.

 

[Zexion~]

I'm saying more than ine web is capable if doing so, especially since they're being controlled chakra strings. So those that past thru the first web would still be tangled. With that distance, Kidomaru can shoot more than one web ahead of him.

What? What are you saying the web will not be wide encompass all hundred puppets and even if they did they would just overload it just like this

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