This started because I said kakashi>Obito if they both lose kumui and many responses were "he has the rinnegan." Lets forget about obito and kakashi for a moment. I feel that people feel because you have an eye you suddenly can't be touched. Dude its an eye. Don't get me wrong they can be very helpful and make the user strong but we have examples of these ppl getting beat by others without the eyes. Naruto beat neji who had the Byakugan, Naruto beat Pain and finished him with a regular rasengan. lol. yet pain had the rinnegan in both eyes, minato beat obito, EMS madara was defeated, tobirama killed izuna, finally didn't naruto kinda blast five tailed beasts who possesed the rinnegan. so when did the kekkai genkai mean you can't lose? They can help drastically but when I say for example Kakashi>Obito just saying "rinnegan!" does not prove your point. (This is not a kakashi obito thread please focus comments on kekkei genkai being overrated). Im open to your thoughts