KCM Naruto vs Tobirama

[Avinash012]

The condescending tone you're putting on doesn't help you one bit if you can't even put up a good argument.

-Madara's stated himself that

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twice.
-Tobirama stated that they aren't at full power.
-Madara needed to use a Rinnegan tech to stop Tobirama from blitzing him.

Tobirama still wins.

Problem is that nothing in those scans suggests that Tobirama can't use his full speed/reflexes.

Indeed,Tobirama wins this but he is not blitzing Naruto and is not an easy/mid dif win for him according to current feats.

 

[Touken]

Problem is that nothing in those scans suggests that Tobirama can't use his full speed/reflexes.

Indeed,Tobirama wins this but he is not blitzing Naruto and is not an easy/mid dif win for him according to current feats.

Did I say he'd blitz him with Shunshin? He easily blitzes Naruto with Hiraishin.

Everything in those scans suggest Tobirama can't use his full speed/reflexes.

 

[Oblivionx]

Oh that, it was just Minatos hunch. I remember when he first touched the ground he only sensed one enemy. Then all of a sudden the enemy count multiplied. Which is why Minato suspected that the enemy just made shadow clones. Minato can't actually sense the difference.

so is it really the part of manga??? i mean that adds sensing feat to minato....

 

[Gold Lightning]

The condescending tone you're putting on doesn't help you one bit if you can't even put up a good argument.

-Madara's stated himself that

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twice.
-Tobirama stated that they aren't at full power.
-Madara needed to use a Rinnegan tech to stop Tobirama from blitzing him.

Tobirama still wins.
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[Sendai Aka No Ou]

1. I hate when people say stuff like this. KCM Naruto and sasuke didn't fight, they were working together. Of course naruto is going to have to slow down so sasuke can keep up.

What relevance is it that they didn't fight? Why would Naruto have to slow down for Sasuke considering they raced from point A to B and arrived at the same time?

2. Third Raikage is one of the fastest to ever live so don't talk about him like he was slow. Naruto still hit him with the Rasenshuriken so what's your point. It wasn't even 100% Naruto, it was a clone. You assume Tobirama is faster but at the end of the day you are just assuming. Maybe with FTG yes, but when it comes to body flicker, we'll never know.

Logic: Tobirama who is stated to be the fastest Shinobi of his era is slower than a Shinobi of his era. Seems legit.

What's my point? Is reading out of your capabilities? Raikage dodged it not once, but twice, one of which was at point-blank range. Naruto only hit him as he returned to the ground.

Again, what relevance is it that it was a Kage Bushin? The chakra is divided, not the speed.

Not quite sure if serious.

3. Naruto was airborne, he can't fly or adjust or increase his speed while airborne can he? Mú sensed him long before Naruto got close to him, it was easy to fly out the way. Again this was just a clone and Naruto still got him did he not?
Don't underestimate KCM Naruto just because you're biased towards Tobirama.

Show me a scan detailing exactly when Mū detected Naruto attacking. If he did detect him "long before he attacked" then he would've moved and certainly wouldn't have powered up a Jinton whilst naruto was approaching.

@bold don't cry to me please, I suppose I'm not allowed to defend the character I like.

 

[Touken]

Edo or not doesn't change the fact that Juubitos speed is on another level. In fact it was mindless Juubito that blitzed the senju bros.

Am I saying he's as fast as Juubito? And how does a person's mental capabilities affect his physical capabilities?

 

[Avinash012]

Did I say he'd blitz him with Shunshin? He easily blitzes Naruto with Hiraishin.

Everything in those scans suggest Tobirama can't use his full speed/reflexes.

Here u go again,Tobirama ain't blitzing him with FTG unless he can spam BF with Kunais and don't underestimate Naruto's clone spam.

Nothing suggests that their they can't use their full speed,he is saying something like he can not pull out his most powerful jutsu's.

 

[Bogard]

No one is going to blitz the other in this match-up, but Tobirama is better in CQC than KCM Naruto, so he will get the upper hand in close range. Long range FRS is useless since it would be dodge. Clones would cancel each other or Tobirama could use the suidanha to wipe the place. Overall, Tobirama is the superior fighter

 

[Touken]

Here u go again,Tobirama ain't blitzing him with FTG unless he can spam BF with Kunais and don't underestimate Naruto's clone spam.

Nothing suggests that their they can't use their full speed,he is saying something like he can not pull out his most powerful jutsu's.

The fact that Madara got a speed boost after he was revived via Rinne Tensei suggests that being an Edo limits a shinobi's speed.

The fact that Madara stated there's a reason why he can't bring out his full power after he stated he was hailed as the fastest shinobi of their era suggests being an Edo limits a shinobi's speed.

Tobirama throws a kunai at Naruto and blitzes him with FTG.

 

[Avinash012]

-KCM Naruto is slightly faster than Ay.
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-Tobirama tags him 5 times.

If he had the speed to tag him 5 times, how the hell could he have not dodged that attack if he wanted to?

That was a surprise/unpredictable attack for Naruto where as Tobirama prepared for the worst scenario and it was a predictable attack.
Bee pulled his sword in an instant that dosen't mean that his foot speed is instant same logic goes for Tobirama,U have any scans that showns how Tobirama managed to tag him?

He managed to put all tags on Obito with single shot or moved his hand five times to put five tags?

That bold makes no sense if u ask me.

 

[Gold Lightning]

What relevance is it that they didn't fight? Why would Naruto have to slow down for Sasuke considering they raced from point A to B and arrived at the same time?



Logic: Tobirama who is stated to be the fastest Shinobi of his era is slower than a Shinobi of his era. Seems legit.

What's my point? Is reading out of your capabilities? Raikage dodged it not once, but twice, one of which was at point-blank range. Naruto only hit him as he returned to the ground.

Again, what relevance is it that it was a Kage Bushin? The chakra is divided, not the speed.

Not quite sure if serious.



Show me a scan detailing exactly when Mū detected Naruto attacking. If he did detect him "long before he attacked" then he would've moved and certainly wouldn't have powered up a Jinton whilst naruto was approaching.

@bold don't cry to me please, I suppose I'm not allowed to defend the character I like.

So what you're saying is sasuke is the same speed as KCM Naruto? Ok then lol. The point is that Naruto wasn't trying to out speed sasuke, or are you just incapable of understanding that.

Again you are acting like the third Raikage is slow, which he is not. It's impressive that Naruto hit him at all.

You're talking about 3rd Raikage being in Tobiramas era, would he not have been a child in Tobiramas era.

Its relevant that it was a shadow clone because you people keep going on about Tobirama not being at full power, yet fail to acknowledge that Naruto wasn't at full power.

Why should it even matter when Mu sensed Naruto. The manga scan already proves that Mu knew he was there. Flying out the way isn't hard is it now.

Defend your character but don't make ridiculous claims for him and make up all sorts of fanfiction.

 

[Avinash012]

The fact that Madara got a speed boost after he was revived via Rinne Tensei suggests that being an Edo limits a shinobi's speed.

The fact that Madara stated there's a reason why he can't bring out his full power after he stated he was hailed as the fastest shinobi of their era suggests being an Edo limits a shinobi's speed.

Tobirama throws a kunai at Naruto and blitzes him with FTG.

How exactly can u say that his speed increased after RT?

Is it because trolled SM Naruto with a surprise attack when Naruto is super weak from his prv battles?
Last time I checked EDO Madara did fine against whole SA,4th Rikage who is faster than SM Naruto and BM Naruto who is faster than 4th Rikage.

Or is it because Madara dodged Tobirama's attacks without moving his legs?
Iam pretty sure u know the difference b/w reflexes(aided by Hashirama's SM in this case) and speed.

He said u both brothers?
By that logic Hashirama also slower in this case ?

 

[Bogard]

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Obito manhandled KCM Naruto in CQC and he isn't even Kakashi level

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I seriously see no difference between base Naruto and KCM Naruto in the area. He is terribly lacking there to hope winning this fight

 

[Touken]

That was a surprise/unpredictable attack for Naruto where as Tobirama prepared for the worst scenario and it was a predictable attack.
Bee pulled his sword in an instant that dosen't mean that his foot speed is instant same logic goes for Tobirama,U have any scans that showns how Tobirama managed to tag him?

He managed to put all tags on Obito with single shot or moved his hand five times to put five tags?

That bold makes no sense if u ask me.

Unpredictable scenario? He'd already witnessed Juubito's speed first-hand whereas Tobirama and Hashirama's Mokuton bunshin had no idea of how fast Juubito was.

Now how would he have tagged Obito 5 times with a single shot? He clearly touched him seeing as you have to do that to place a Hiraishin seal on someone, which Tobirama did.

 

[Avinash012]

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Obito manhandled KCM Naruto in CQC and he isn't even Kakashi level

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I seriously see no difference between base Naruto and KCM Naruto in the area. He is terribly lacking there to hope winning this fight

Kakashi is no different against Obito b4 learning the weakness of Kamui,even now he can't fight on par with Obito(out side Kamui) without using back up from Kamui dimension.

Hell, even Guy never managed to land a blow on Obito,does that mean Kakashi's taijutsu >>> Guy's?

 

[Bogard]

Kakashi is no different against Obito b4 learning the weakness of Kamui,even now he can't fight on par with Obito(out side Kamui) without using back up from Kamui dimension.

On the panel i've showed, Obito manhandled Naruto in CQC without using Kamui

 

[Gold Lightning]

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Obito manhandled KCM Naruto in CQC and he isn't even Kakashi level

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I seriously see no difference between base Naruto and KCM Naruto in the area. He is terribly lacking there to hope winning this fight

It's Narutos manipulation of chakra arms which make him deadly in cqc. The fact that he can wield multiple rasengan at once and that he can extend his arms to reach out of range opponents.

I still think Tobirama can win 1 v 1, but if Naruto gets shadow clones involved, especially sage mode clones then I vote Naruto.

 

[Bogard]

Unpredictable scenario? He'd already witnessed Juubito's speed first-hand whereas Tobirama and Hashirama's Mokuton bunshin had no idea of how fast Juubito was.

Now how would he have tagged Obito 5 times with a single shot? He clearly touched him seeing as you have to do that to place a Hiraishin seal on someone, which Tobirama did.

Tobirama tagged him 3times, not five. The other 2 were Hashirama's clone doing

 

[DemonicAvenger]

I can't believe this is even in discussion. Naruto stomps, Sage Modō Naruto as it is already takes it.

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As for Penguin and a few other people.

- Kyuubi Modō Naruto has superior reflexes than Senin Modō Naruto. Naruto simply stated he can sense danger faster and better in Senin Modō, which would make sense because Kyuubi Modō only senses emotions while Senin Modō Naruto can sense chakra and danger.

Kyuubi Modō Naruto's sensing didn't even work on the Raikage as it is since he had his personality surpressed.

- Madara didn't blitz SM Naruto. Naruto blocked his attack and was knocked back, He couldn't dodge as he (and Sai) was in a forward leaping motion. Its a very similar situation as SM Naruto countering Sandaime Raikage.​

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[Touken]

Tobirama tagged him 3times, not five. The other 2 were Hashirama's clone doing

To activate the paper tags you need a hand seal and Tobirama was the only one who used a hand seal to activate the tags IIRC.