KCM Naruto Vs EMS Sasuke

[DemonicAvenger]

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Wiki is fandom. It doesn't even support your claim, its goes as far as to support me.

2. he isn't adjusting the amount and size he is adjusting the actual chakra percentage

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we've learned that an elemental attack that is inferior to another can match it if more chakra is poured in

Your just restating what I said. He has to use his Sharingan to adjust Enton to FRS and if he's not looking at it he can't do that. Add the fact that there will be 14 Naruto's attacking him, he won't be able to counter them all. Given Naruto's massive Chakra reserves, Sasuke will wear out too.

3.he dodged a superior cloak user, he will be fine

Naruto's on a completely diffrent understanding of speed than V1 Bee. The fact that you would even compare the two is laughable.

4.again reaction time vs speed comes up and for the last time i will refer you to this thread, Until you can accurately refute this thread Ill keep throwing it in your face

Theres nothing to refute, Nothing suggest that A has superior reactions.

5.and naruto may be able to sense chakra in BM but this is KCM so your point is moot

Hence "Fun Fact" since you claimed only SM could.

7.if naruto rushes sasuke his clones get done dirty

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Those are SM Kage Bunshin which have inferior speed and strength. Which you seem to have a hard time comprehending.

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Also note I havn't bothered to bring anything new to the table. Shattering these absurd claims is enough to show how easily Naruto wins without having to bring out the big guns.

depends how base like no sharingan or 3 tomtoe cause the way i see it

BM naruto> EMS sasuke> KCM naruto>MS (taka) sasuke>SM naruto> Hebi (3 tomtoe) sasuke> base naruto> base sasuke (no sharingan)

Base Naruto >= Base/3T Sasuke
SM Naruto >=< MS Sasuke
RM Naruto >>> EMS Sasuke
BM Naruto >> EMS Sasuke

 

[slimreaper]

Wiki is fandom. It doesn't even support your claim, its goes as far as to support me.



Your just restating what I said. He has to use his Sharingan to adjust Enton to FRS and if he's not looking at it he can't do that. Add the fact that there will be 14 Naruto's attacking him, he won't be able to counter them all. Given Naruto's massive Chakra reserves, Sasuke will wear out too.



Naruto's on a completely diffrent understanding of speed than V1 Bee. The fact that you would even compare the two is laughable.



Theres nothing to refute, Nothing suggest that A has superior reactions.



Hence "Fun Fact" since you claimed only SM could.



Those are SM Kage Bunshin which have inferior speed and strength. Which you seem to have a hard time comprehending.

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Also note I havn't bothered to bring anything new to the table. Shattering these absurd claims is enough to show how easily Naruto wins without having to bring out the big guns.





Base Naruto >= Base/3T Sasuke
SM Naruto >=< MS Sasuke
RM Naruto >>> EMS Sasuke
BM Naruto >> EMS Sasuke

1. I will quote it since you cannot read
"The user's chakra is evenly distributed among every clone, giving each clone an equal fraction of the user's overall power".
2. Wrong, sasuke doesn't have to see the incoming attack to raise the chakra amount in his enton, he was looking to match it exactly to naruto's attack. If he was to just maximize its power then naruto's FRS wouldn't stand a chance.
3. black zetsu had no problem dodging naruto and that amazing speed

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naruto fanboys suggest naruto can always move at that speed.
4. This suggests A has better reaction

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Until naruto shows a reaction feat other than dodging the raikage(which the attack was relayed to naruto beforehand)

6. yes those were SM clones but that was only V3 susanoo, sasuke activating a v4 susanoo would create the same effect.


Please bring something new to the table. so far you are only spouting the usual naruto fanboy nonsense "naruto makes 14 clones, sasuke just stands still like a retard, naruto throws 14 frs gg".

A susanoo of the same level sasuke has tanked a full tbb from the 100% kurama. It created this blast

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Even if you say sasuke's susanoo is weaker at that level than madara's, first ill refer you to this

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then ill say that even if sasuke's defensive capability was only half of that(which is selling sasuke a little short), naruto would still have nothing to break sasuke's V4 susanoo in that form. Maybe BM naruto But not KCM

 

[DemonicAvenger]

1. I will quote it since you cannot read
"The user's chakra is evenly distributed among every clone, giving each clone an equal fraction of the user's overall power".

It gives them an equal fraction of the user's chakra pools. The Bunshin arn't weaker in terms of speed, strength, or Jutsu.

2. Wrong, sasuke doesn't have to see the incoming attack to raise the chakra amount in his enton, he was looking to match it exactly to naruto's attack. If he was to just maximize its power then naruto's FRS wouldn't stand a chance.

You might wan't to understand the other person before you claim they're wrong. Sasuke does have to look at Naruto's attack to spawn a decent amount of Amaterasu. He has to use his eye as an origin to otherwise he wouldn't have had to spin against Kabuto [

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]. Amaterasu: Entenka just isn't going to cut it, He's going to have to use a Focused Amaterasu which will require him to use his sight. Hence, why he won't be able to counter 14 Naruto's that are all massively faster than him and have more stamina.

3. black zetsu had no problem dodging naruto and that amazing speed

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naruto fanboys suggest naruto can always move at that speed.

Did I suggest that he could. You might want to refrain from name calling and stop putting words in people's mouths.

Is Sasuke one with the enviorment? No he's not. Naruto wasn't using Shunshin or his max Base Speed.

4. This suggests A has better reaction

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Until naruto shows a reaction feat other than dodging the raikage(which the attack was relayed to naruto beforehand)

Naruto dodged Raikage's attack which is already faster than Amaterasu. Amaterasu was relayed to the Raikage through the Bleed of Sasuke's eye anyway. Hell, Even Bee in BM reacted to Amaterasu.

6. yes those were SM clones but that was only V3 susanoo, sasuke activating a v4 susanoo would create the same effect.

He can only do it one time. RM Naruto's physical strength is on par or superior to Susano'O as it is. [

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Please bring something new to the table. so far you are only spouting the usual naruto fanboy nonsense "naruto makes 14 clones, sasuke just stands still like a retard, naruto throws 14 frs gg".

A susanoo of the same level sasuke has tanked a full tbb from the 100% kurama. It created this blast

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Even if you say sasuke's susanoo is weaker at that level than madara's, first ill refer you to this

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then ill say that even if sasuke's defensive capability was only half of that(which is selling sasuke a little short), naruto would still have nothing to break sasuke's V4 susanoo in that form. Maybe BM naruto But not KCM

That Susano'O is not of the same level. Madara refers to it as Perfect Susano'O [

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When you get this basic stuff in your head I might consider taking you seriously and bring new points to the table, but so far your dissapointing me.

 

[HanzoSama]

Some of the arugments for Sasuke are cracking me up. Surprised Demonic is taking the time to entertain such foolishness.

 

[SasukeNamikaze]

Naruto wins pretty easily

 

[Gakido]

KCM Naruto takes this quite easily

 

[~Uzumaki~]

Naruto would end this about twenty seconds....
The first ten would be for trash talking each other
Then next two would be for creating clones to distract Sasuke
That next 5 would be for the whole distraction process
That last 3 would be for the chou Oodama Rasenshuriken that would destroy the distracted Sasuke, Susanoo and all.

If snakes get involved...Naruto has toads...and Rasenshurikens as big as boss toads.

 

[EZQ]

Except for Orochimaru w/ET & Kabuto w/ET.

Obito with his Jins are tied with Naruto.



He would have to try but it would be by no means a hard battle.

Madara rapes Naruto

Hashirama rapes Naruto

Nagato stands a solid chance

And obito with paths wins too, you are forgetting that Naruto matched the 6 bijuus but then he needed help from Bee to beat all of them. Besides you're forgetting obito who is pretty strong by himself without the jins.. naruto has no counter for kamui.

 

[EZQ]

sasuke wins km naruto mostlikely could'nt dodge ama not to mention he cant even break susanoo

Pay attention, i'm about to stomp you...

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The raikage dodged Amaterasu

KCM Naruto dodged Raikage's fastes punch at full speed

KCM Naruto's speed > Amaterasu speed

2) Can't even break susano you say? How about 14 KCM clones atacking at the same time, not to forget Susano has a blindspot in the back, and naruto can atack from all directions with clones

 

[BenjerminGaye]

14 clones throwin frs this big?

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Lol sasuke wishes he could win

 

[slimreaper]

It gives them an equal fraction of the user's chakra pools. The Bunshin arn't weaker in terms of speed, strength, or Jutsu.



You might wan't to understand the other person before you claim they're wrong. Sasuke does have to look at Naruto's attack to spawn a decent amount of Amaterasu. He has to use his eye as an origin to otherwise he wouldn't have had to spin against Kabuto [

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]. Amaterasu: Entenka just isn't going to cut it, He's going to have to use a Focused Amaterasu which will require him to use his sight. Hence, why he won't be able to counter 14 Naruto's that are all massively faster than him and have more stamina.



Did I suggest that he could. You might want to refrain from name calling and stop putting words in people's mouths.

Is Sasuke one with the enviorment? No he's not. Naruto wasn't using Shunshin or his max Base Speed.



Naruto dodged Raikage's attack which is already faster than Amaterasu. Amaterasu was relayed to the Raikage through the Bleed of Sasuke's eye anyway. Hell, Even Bee in BM reacted to Amaterasu.



He can only do it one time. RM Naruto's physical strength is on par or superior to Susano'O as it is. [

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That Susano'O is not of the same level. Madara refers to it as Perfect Susano'O [

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When you get this basic stuff in your head I might consider taking you seriously and bring new points to the table, but so far your dissapointing me.

madara refers to his ems final susanoo as perfect susanoo, that is the same as sasuke's. If he saw it he would call it perfect susanoo as well.

the are both the sasme and even have the same design

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it is obvious that they are the same level susanoo.

this is the true perfect susanoo

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dude face it kage bushin are in general weaker

and I was suggesting he spins as against kabuto, then makes all the flames as strong as he can at the same time.

naruto did dodge the raikage but it was called out to him before hand effectively nullifying any need for reaction time. bee didn't have time to react to amaterasu

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and sasuke no longer bleeds until proven otherwise

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and saying KCM is stronger than susanoo is laughable, this is base susanoo

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Stop saying naruto just makes 14 clones and the attack from all directions. obviously that wouldn't work against sasuke. It is foolish to suggest that a plan of that level would effect sasuke in the slightest

 

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madara refers to his ems final susanoo as perfect susanoo, that is the same as sasuke's. If he saw it he would call it perfect susanoo as well.

the are both the sasme and even have the same design

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it is obvious that they are the same level susanoo.

this is the true perfect susanoo

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dude face it kage bushin are in general weaker

and I was suggesting he spins as against kabuto, then makes all the flames as strong as he can at the same time.

naruto did dodge the raikage but it was called out to him before hand effectively nullifying any need for reaction time. bee didn't have time to react to amaterasu

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and sasuke no longer bleeds until proven otherwise

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and saying KCM is stronger than susanoo is laughable, this is base susanoo

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Stop saying naruto just makes 14 clones and the attack from all directions. obviously that wouldn't work against sasuke. It is foolish to suggest that a plan of that level would effect sasuke in the slightest

Rasenshuriken would tear into Susanoo and here why I think so.

Rasenshuriken could tear into Juubi's tails.
Rasenshuriken could weaken Third Raikage's ultimate defense to the point that the armor vanished
Recall that Danzo could enhance his wins techs with Baku to the extent that they tore through the Susanoo Sasuke was using at the time....if you read that manga, you'd notice that the blast was not even compared to the explosion of one Rasenshuriken. Even if we were to assume that Sasuke's Susanoo is for some reason stronger, would it be able to take chou oodama Rasenshuriken....from all directions at Raikage level of speed? Recall that Sasuke cannot even see Raikage move and Naruto is much faster. Heck Sasuke couldnt react in time to activate Susanoo on order to block Kabuto's Inorganic Reincarnation technique.

As for the whole Amaterasu deal. Raikage dodged it, Naruto dodged Raikage and that's not all; Obito could sense chakra flowing to Sasuke's eye...Naruto in KM can do the same. Also, his chakra shroud will protect him as it could even comfortably fend off Madars's fire techs and yasaka magatama

 

[slimreaper]

Rasenshuriken would tear into Susanoo and here why I think so.

Rasenshuriken could tear into Juubi's tails.
Rasenshuriken could weaken Third Raikage's ultimate defense to the point that the armor vanished
Recall that Danzo could enhance his wins techs with Baku to the extent that they tore through the Susanoo Sasuke was using at the time....if you read that manga, you'd notice that the blast was not even compared to the explosion of one Rasenshuriken. Even if we were to assume that Sasuke's Susanoo is for some reason stronger, would it be able to take chou oodama Rasenshuriken....from all directions at Raikage level of speed? Recall that Sasuke cannot even see Raikage move and Naruto is much faster. Heck Sasuke couldnt react in time to activate Susanoo on order to block Kabuto's Inorganic Reincarnation technique.

As for the whole Amaterasu deal. Raikage dodged it, Naruto dodged Raikage and that's not all; Obito could sense chakra flowing to Sasuke's eye...Naruto in KM can do the same. Also, his chakra shroud will protect him as it could even comfortably fend off Madars's fire techs and yasaka magatama

rasenshuriken didn't cut into the juubi's tails the alliance did

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rasenshiruken did weaken the raikage's defense but you have to consider that it was also the perfect narure type for that job, rasenshuriken has no such advantage against susanoo.

the wind style+Baku is greater than any win attack naruto has

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Baku's suction was strong enough to suck trees from a forest they weren't even fighting in. Danzo+baku>rasenshuriken

you want a sasuke reaction feat?

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what does naruto have increasing his reaction time? the rakiage has his armor, sasuke has his sharingan, KCM naruto has nothing. so as far as reaction time is concerned this still applies

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raikage> naruto in reaction

since sasuke is always using his EMS in battle he won't have the same tell as he had in the past or that itachi had

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considering sasuke has no tell and naruto has poor reaction feats sasuke could hit naruto with amaterasu. and so far sasuke has been fine keeping up with naruto's speed. it wasn't until naruto tried to go BM did naruto question sasuke's ability to keep up

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naruto can't constantly move at top speed like the raikage so that said sasuke can keep up.

Edit: give me feats of KCM naruto fending off Yasaka magatama, and Amaterasu>>>>>>Katon

 

[slimreaper]

14 clones throwin frs this big?

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Lol sasuke wishes he could win

proof naruto's clones can manage this tech? proof sasuke can't just dodge? i mean his snake did dodge point blank attacks before, whats a projectile?

 

[Optimistic]

14 clones throwin frs this big?

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Lol sasuke wishes he could win

Naruto's only made 11 KM clones and Cho Futon Rasenshurikan takes time to charge.

 

[skay5269]

sasuke takes this high diff...

 

[shelke]

Rasenshuriken would tear into Susanoo and here why I think so.

Rasenshuriken could tear into Juubi's tails.
Rasenshuriken could weaken Third Raikage's ultimate defense to the point that the armor vanished
Recall that Danzo could enhance his wins techs with Baku to the extent that they tore through the Susanoo Sasuke was using at the time....if you read that manga, you'd notice that the blast was not even compared to the explosion of one Rasenshuriken. Even if we were to assume that Sasuke's Susanoo is for some reason stronger, would it be able to take chou oodama Rasenshuriken....from all directions at Raikage level of speed? Recall that Sasuke cannot even see Raikage move and Naruto is much faster. Heck Sasuke couldnt react in time to activate Susanoo on order to block Kabuto's Inorganic Reincarnation technique.

As for the whole Amaterasu deal. Raikage dodged it, Naruto dodged Raikage and that's not all; Obito could sense chakra flowing to Sasuke's eye...Naruto in KM can do the same. Also, his chakra shroud will protect him as it could even comfortably fend off Madars's fire techs and yasaka magatama

No it will most certainly not. Madara was pulled out of Susano'o through a lengthy tactic because FRS wouldn't have any affect on the structure. The larger form would be able to damage it, but tear through? Secondly is the fact of making Rasangan which isn't instant as the majority here has hilariously portrayed. All Sasuke has to do is sweep his gaze and he would be able to create the Entons to match the power output. It's beyond ludicrous if anyone even thinks otherwise.

Since when does KCM Naruto even compared to ten tails Jinchurichi? This is a hollow argument with nothing to back up. With EMS Sasuke will see through the actual source and target it as well.

 

[Transcendence]

Goes either way High Difficulty. Although on the debating side, Demonic is killing everyone in this thread. His arguments support a Naruto win in this situation.

 

[Penguin]

Demonic is really tearing you guys a new one. Sasuke fans need a new person to debate for them. Tag someone in.

 

[Fodder#4]

Demonic is really tearing you guys a new one. Sasuke fans need a new person to debate for them. Tag someone in.

Yours is the first comment I read on this thread. But, I am ready to represent Team Sasuke Base!