KCM Naruto Vs EMS Sasuke

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1. Fuuton Rasenshuriken cutting power > Danzo's fuuton cutting power and if his was able to damage susano'o naruto should be able to do the same.
1.The Susanoo couldn't move do to Baku's great Suction(which didn't allow the Susanoo enough to move....enough for Danzo to make a gap in it....Naruto's doesn't anything at like that advantage against Sasuke's Susanoo..​

2.Danzo's Wind Vacuum Blade techniques was powered by Baku's Suction both in Power and Slicing wise...and Baku's Suction had enough Wind to pull tree from the other side of the forest(which Sasuke and Danzo weren't fighting in....they were fighting on the bridge)...so, yes....Danzo's Wind Vacuum Blade techniques is greater than Naruto's Rasenshuriken when it's power-up by Baku's Suction....​

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2. People are getting misconcepted with the statement about Amaterasu absorbing Rasenshuriken. Even he coats it with Amaterasu the attack is still being targeted towards him, as he is not changing its trajectory, making him suffer damage.
Lol, what are even talking about?....when Sasuke manipulate the flames of Amaterasu(Enton)...the flames are ready eat away if Sasuke choices...the Rasenshuriken is eaten when he completely absorbs it with Enton....​

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3. Sasuke has not shown to be able to see through Naruto's clones, as even Byakugan cannot tell which is a clone or not, and has argueably better perception with chakra flows.

Also: on a side note the restriction is only BM meaning Naruto can make SM clones.
Huh, what?.....and what does the Buakugan have anything to do with the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan or the Sharingan in general?.....Sasuke doesn't need to show him seeing through any type of Clones since it was proven by Madara...that the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan can see through Clones...​

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Now, don't come to me with that sorry excuse that you call an "argument".​
 

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1.The Susanoo couldn't move do to Baku's great Suction(which didn't allow the Susanoo enough to move....enough for Danzo to make a gap in it....Naruto's doesn't anything at like that advantage against Sasuke's Susanoo..​


2.Danzo's Wind Vacuum Blade techniques was powered by Baku's Suction both in Power and Slicing wise...and Baku's Suction had enough Wind to pull tree from the other side of the forest(which Sasuke and Danzo weren't fighting in....they were fighting on the bridge)...so, yes....Danzo's Wind Vacuum Blade techniques is greater than Naruto's Rasenshuriken when it's power-up by Baku's Suction....​


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Lol, what are even talking about?....when Sasuke manipulate the flames of Amaterasu(Enton)...the flames are ready eat away if Sasuke choices...the Rasenshuriken is eaten when he completely absorbs it with Enton....​


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Huh, what?.....and what does the Buakugan have anything to do with the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan or the Sharingan in general?.....Sasuke doesn't need to show him seeing through any type of Clones since it was proven by Madara...that the Eien no Mangekyō Sharingan can see through Clones...​


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Now, don't come to me with that sorry excuse that you call an "argument".​
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Naruto:


Has insane speed. Dodged the 4th raikage, the fastest ninja alive. He can't constantly use it though, but he generally moves at lightning armor V1 speed.
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His fist was so close, Naruto would have had to move faster than A to outrun his fist

He's strong enough to prevent a biju from closing his mouth to the extent that they would have to user their tails to strengthen their grip.
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He's durable enough to survive tenpenchi, which obliterated the landscape and made a mushroom cloud, while giving others cloaks to defend them, which was said that it could harm him. (don't know how, maybe he can make a cloak shield) It's possible that that's what did the damage (possible not holding to that)
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What a baws! (sorry, but that was an epic moment in the manga)

He has some sort of regen.
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It was burning him. You could tell by the smoke on Naruto's hands. Yet, he didn't have any marks on him when he was caught by B.


He has chakra arms which can allow for multiple ransengans simultaneously and can't be predicted by even a 3-tomoe sharingan.
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Notice how there's preimages for his attacks except the chakra arm?

He can sense opponent's emotions to the degree that he can block an attack while blinded. He's also immune to genjutsu (as stated by B that jinchuriki on friendly terms with their beasts are immune, and since neither Obito, nor Madara have attempted to put him under genjutsu, this must be the case).
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Naruto can still use a great deal of shadowclones. He even used them when it was risky. The number of shadow clones he can use could have only increased.

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Naruto's ninjutsu is also strong. Planetary ransengan probably does more damage to internal organs than the usual one and is strong enough to blast an opponent through rock(multiple ones if you count anime). Normal Ransenshuriken has, what I call, a blast mode and a cutting mode. The blast mode was capable of destroying lightning armor and doing some damage to the 3rd raikage (not severe). The cutting mode sliced through a 10 tails clone. That was normal FRS. There's a massive version that, if we go by comparing ransengan to massive ransengan, is much more powerful than the normal one. It's likely to outclass it severely. He can also use the tailed beast ransengan, which is extremely powerful as well.


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Naruto's tiny compared to it.

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The mere shock wave from it hitting something without exploding was enough to cause significant discomfort to the other ninja. Imagine how applying this to FRS would enhance it.

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FRS is the strongest Wind Jutsu shown thus far. Even better than Temari. FRS shouldn't be underestimated. FRS is an S rank Jutsu. To compare those to attacks, and then say that FRS doesn't have the cutting power is blasphemous .

Until shown, it is your assumption that Sasuke can see through clones. The byakugan has better insight than the sharingan and couldn't. Itachi has not been able to. Only madara. Also, that was hashirama's clones. And how do you
know he was talking about all EMS's when he didn't even know sasuke had it?

He can continue to pummel Susanoo with 13+ guided rasenshurikens or tbb rasengans which would most likely damage it.

the size of his rasenshuriken was boss summon size. Here's a basic rasenshuriken,[1]. Scaling that up you think it wont be enough for Susanoo.

Naruto's clones are all equal to the original, except they're used a lot more recklessly as there's little loss in them being defeated. They can all avoid magatama's and susanoo's brute force, even sm Kabuto could avoid it and Naruto's significantly faster.

The feats for his speed is there, his usage is questionable like a lot of things. For example Madara sitting on his arse right now. Here's his clone using the body flicker speed,.
Kirin is no mountain buster, I also don't see it doing much either. Naruto's kcm cloak was able to withstand the Juubi's nuke or Naruto can just avoid it. Itachi had more than enough time to use Susanoo in the same time it took Sasuke to activate Kirin.
 

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Ok buddy,
Naruto:


Has insane speed. Dodged the 4th raikage, the fastest ninja alive. He can't constantly use it though, but he generally moves at lightning armor V1 speed.
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His fist was so close, Naruto would have had to move faster than A to outrun his fist

He's strong enough to prevent a biju from closing his mouth to the extent that they would have to user their tails to strengthen their grip.
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He's durable enough to survive tenpenchi, which obliterated the landscape and made a mushroom cloud, while giving others cloaks to defend them, which was said that it could harm him. (don't know how, maybe he can make a cloak shield) It's possible that that's what did the damage (possible not holding to that)
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What a baws! (sorry, but that was an epic moment in the manga)

He has some sort of regen.
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It was burning him. You could tell by the smoke on Naruto's hands. Yet, he didn't have any marks on him when he was caught by B.


He has chakra arms which can allow for multiple ransengans simultaneously and can't be predicted by even a 3-tomoe sharingan.
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Notice how there's preimages for his attacks except the chakra arm?

He can sense opponent's emotions to the degree that he can block an attack while blinded. He's also immune to genjutsu (as stated by B that jinchuriki on friendly terms with their beasts are immune, and since neither Obito, nor Madara have attempted to put him under genjutsu, this must be the case).
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Naruto can still use a great deal of shadowclones. He even used them when it was risky. The number of shadow clones he can use could have only increased.

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Naruto's ninjutsu is also strong. Planetary ransengan probably does more damage to internal organs than the usual one and is strong enough to blast an opponent through rock(multiple ones if you count anime). Normal Ransenshuriken has, what I call, a blast mode and a cutting mode. The blast mode was capable of destroying lightning armor and doing some damage to the 3rd raikage (not severe). The cutting mode sliced through a 10 tails clone. That was normal FRS. There's a massive version that, if we go by comparing ransengan to massive ransengan, is much more powerful than the normal one. It's likely to outclass it severely. He can also use the tailed beast ransengan, which is extremely powerful as well.


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Naruto's tiny compared to it.

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The mere shock wave from it hitting something without exploding was enough to cause significant discomfort to the other ninja. Imagine how applying this to FRS would enhance it.

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FRS is the strongest Wind Jutsu shown thus far. Even better than Temari. FRS shouldn't be underestimated. FRS is an S rank Jutsu. To compare those to attacks, and then say that FRS doesn't have the cutting power is blasphemous .

Until shown, it is your assumption that Sasuke can see through clones. The byakugan has better insight than the sharingan and couldn't. Itachi has not been able to. Only madara. Also, that was hashirama's clones. And how do you
know he was talking about all EMS's when he didn't even know sasuke had it?

He can continue to pummel Susanoo with 13+ guided rasenshurikens or tbb rasengans which would most likely damage it.

the size of his rasenshuriken was boss summon size. Here's a basic rasenshuriken,[1]. Scaling that up you think it wont be enough for Susanoo.

Naruto's clones are all equal to the original, except they're used a lot more recklessly as there's little loss in them being defeated. They can all avoid magatama's and susanoo's brute force, even sm Kabuto could avoid it and Naruto's significantly faster.

The feats for his speed is there, his usage is questionable like a lot of things. For example Madara sitting on his arse right now. Here's his clone using the body flicker speed,.
Kirin is no mountain buster, I also don't see it doing much either. Naruto's kcm cloak was able to withstand the Juubi's nuke or Naruto can just avoid it. Itachi had more than enough time to use Susanoo in the same time it took Sasuke to activate Kirin.
1. clones aren't equal to the original so lay off that
2. thirteen rasenshruikens aren't getting through this
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3. chakra cloaks can be followed with the sharingan
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4. sasuke won't stand there with his thumb up his ass while naruto does all this
did you see what happened to naruto's clones when they tried to attack susanoo?

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sasuke also has an attack that was made just for clones
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the difference between The fourth and naruto dodging amaterasu is clearly displayed for you here

 
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1. clones aren't equal to the original so lay off that
Kage Bunshin have the exact same atributes as the Original.

2. thirteen rasenshruikens aren't getting through this
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Elemental advantage doesn't always give the superior element the win [ ]. Sasuke even noted that he requires a certain amount of Enton to counteract FRS [ ]. If hit from a blind spot, then Sasuke won't be able to counter-act it. Much less match it.

3. chakra cloaks can be followed with the sharingan
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Sasuke's following Killer Bee's movements. Not the cloaks. He's already said he can't follow the cloaks own workings [ ]

4. sasuke won't stand there with his thumb up his ass while naruto does all this
did you see what happened to naruto's clones when they tried to attack susanoo?
sasuke also has an attack that was made just for clones
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Your actually suggesting they would hit Naruto? The Kage Bunshin only need make a small forward hop over the Magatama.


the difference between The fourth and naruto dodging amaterasu is clearly displayed for you here

Naruto has superior reactions, is massively faster, and is a sensor.



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People actually think Sasuke can win this?
 

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Kage Bunshin have the exact same atributes as the Original.



Elemental advantage doesn't always give the superior element the win [ ]. Sasuke even noted that he requires a certain amount of Enton to counteract FRS [ ]. If hit from a blind spot, then Sasuke won't be able to counter-act it. Much less match it.



Sasuke's following Killer Bee's movements. Not the cloaks. He's already said he can't follow the cloaks own workings [ ]



Your actually suggesting they would hit Naruto? The Kage Bunshin only need make a small forward hop over the Magatama.




Naruto has superior reactions, is massively faster, and is a sensor.



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People actually think Sasuke can win this?
1. no kage bushin are significantly weaker, so that is one major attribute
2. did sasuke say whether or not he strengthened or weakened his enton? Ill assume he weakened it considering it is the superior nature type
3. why does sasuke refer back to naruto if that encounter was of no help to him?
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4. sasuke can also follow things with magatama
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5. naruto has inferior reactions, is faster but that means nothing without reactions, and can sense malice. he is only a sensor in SM not that that matters because the SM clones have no way to avoid enton. they may dodge it once but they can't escape the sharingan's gaze
so they just get hawked down like the zetsu clones. As far as KCm naruto He isn't avoiding amaterasu due to his lack of reaction feats I will again refer you to


Sasuke could and would win this
 
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1. no kage bushin are significantly weaker, so that is one major attribute
When is that ever even implied? The only diffrence is that Kage Bunshin disapear unpon recieving damage. Elemental Bunshin are the only ones that are actually weaker.

2. did sasuke say whether or not he strengthened or weakened his enton? Ill assume he weakened it considering it is the superior nature type
Sasuke didn't say anything about making Enton weaker or stronger. Thats not an ability he has. He was simply adjusting the amount and shape to Naruto Rasengan.
3. why does sasuke refer back to naruto if that encounter was of no help to him?
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Because he's wearing the same cloak that Naruto was. That doesn't mean his Sharingan can follow Chakra Branching.

4. sasuke can also follow things with magatama
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They don't seek the target. Even with an aimed projectile they're easily dodged.

5. naruto has inferior reactions, is faster but that means nothing without reactions, and can sense malice. he is only a sensor in SM
Naruto reactions are superior. A has nothing in his plethora of feats that say otherwise.

Fun fact;

Sasuke could and would win this
He doesn't stand a chance.
 

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When is that ever even implied? The only diffrence is that Kage Bunshin disapear unpon recieving damage. Elemental Bunshin are the only ones that are actually weaker.



Sasuke didn't say anything about making Enton weaker or stronger. Thats not an ability he has. He was simply adjusting the amount and shape to Naruto Rasengan.


Because he's wearing the same cloak that Naruto was. That doesn't mean his Sharingan can follow Chakra Branching.



They don't seek the target. Even with an aimed projectile they're easily dodged.



Naruto reactions are superior. A has nothing in his plethora of feats that say otherwise.

Fun fact;



He doesn't stand a chance.
Im going to work ill argue this shit when I get back
 

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Something wrong with not thinking Sasuke wins ever match that he has leway in?
****ing idiot i don't think Sasuke wins every match up, i said i'm not bothering cause i had to talk to the shitty side of the Narutofanbase about Sm vs MS thread.Kind of pathetic how you jumped to conclusions like a moron.
 

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****ing idiot i don't think Sasuke wins every match up, i said i'm not bothering cause i had to talk to the shitty side of the Narutofanbase about Sm vs MS thread.Kind of pathetic how you jumped to conclusions like a moron.
Why the hate? What conlusion did I jump to?
 

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When is that ever even implied? The only diffrence is that Kage Bunshin disapear unpon recieving damage. Elemental Bunshin are the only ones that are actually weaker.



Sasuke didn't say anything about making Enton weaker or stronger. Thats not an ability he has. He was simply adjusting the amount and shape to Naruto Rasengan.


Because he's wearing the same cloak that Naruto was. That doesn't mean his Sharingan can follow Chakra Branching.



They don't seek the target. Even with an aimed projectile they're easily dodged.



Naruto reactions are superior. A has nothing in his plethora of feats that say otherwise.

Fun fact;



He doesn't stand a chance.
1.

read the first paragraph
2. he isn't adjusting the amount and size he is adjusting the actual chakra percentage
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we've learned that an elemental attack that is inferior to another can match it if more chakra is poured in

3.he dodged a superior cloak user, he will be fine
4.again reaction time vs speed comes up and for the last time i will refer you to this thread, Until you can accurately refute this thread Ill keep throwing it in your face


5.and naruto may be able to sense chakra in BM but this is KCM so your point is moot

6.You're right naruto doesn't stand a chance

7.if naruto rushes sasuke his clones get done dirty
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his only option is a ranged battle where sasuke owns him repeatedly
 

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Base Naruto = Base Sasuke
SM Naruto = MS Sasuke
KM Naruto > EMS Sasuke
BM Naruto > EMS Sasuke
depends how base like no sharingan or 3 tomtoe cause the way i see it

BM naruto> EMS sasuke> KCM naruto>MS (taka) sasuke>SM naruto> Hebi (3 tomtoe) sasuke> base naruto> base sasuke (no sharingan)
 
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