Katsuyu vs Tsunade (or Sakura)

[MomoSaka]

Sweety, Base Sakura would be able to tank Orochimaru Chakra Ball, according to the novel.
Katsuyu woudln't even flinch.
Orochimaru admitted Katsuyu acid would kill him

Yeah....he didn't admited anything.....lol.....He said that to gain her trust and even with that, he would of LET her kill him if he did something suspicious....Going by your logic, Oro would of never dared to fight Katsuyu with manda.....:elmo:
Lol....acid....it's not even stronger than Amaterasu....Hebi Sasuke survived it simply by using oral rebirth...oro was described to have multiple escape jutsus...you really believe none of them is useful against Katsuyu's "acid"....?

 

[MomoSaka]

You're completely insane. Should have stopped taking you seriously the moment you started to use those lame emojis. Have a good night. fodder.

Thank you:elmo:
Accept the facts bro....
I mean every jutsu has a weakness no matter how powerful it is.....that's according to Itachi....who has the "Invincible weapons"...
I don't see Katsuyu beating oro, that's my opinion.....even tho it's obvious...but oh well...

 

[BLAZE]

They desummon it or summon another katsuyu to fight it

 

[Hakke]

They desummon it or summon another katsuyu to fight it

what the ****?

 

[MomoSaka]

what the ****?

It makes sense bro

 

[BLAZE]

what the ****?

What op did not mention it was 100% katsuyu so yeah they can just summon regular sized katsuyu to fight another regular size katsuyu.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Yeah....he didn't admited anything.....lol.....He said that to gain her trust and even with that, he would of LET her kill him if he did something suspicious....Going by your logic, Oro would of never dared to fight Katsuyu with manda.....:elmo:
Lol....acid....it's not even stronger than Amaterasu....Hebi Sasuke survived it simply by using oral rebirth...oro was described to have multiple escape jutsus...you really believe none of them is useful against Katsuyu's "acid"....?

Acid is stroger than amaterasu, also vaporizes, amaterasu just burns slowly.

 

[Jinrou]

The only thing Katsuyu has that can hurt is acid and it's use wasn't that impressive when we notice it had

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to aim at and it was

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to at least target the head. (Possibly due to the shape of its mouth). There should be gaps between its spurt that can make evading it easier so if chakra based punches don't count as physical attacks Tsunade and Sakura should win.

 

[TheEvilOne]

The only thing Katsuyu has that can hurt is acid and it's use wasn't that impressive when we notice it had

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to aim at and it was

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to at least target the head. (Possibly due to the shape of its mouth). There should be gaps between its spurt that can make evading it easier so if chakra based punches don't count as physical attacks Tsunade and Sakura should win.

What you forget is that she can spit acid from several directions and the fact that she tanked Pain's village buster cho-shinra tensei ( a chakra based blunt attack )

 

[KidGamer65]

Tsunade summons another piece to take her on or simply sends her back to the Shikkotsu Forest via Summoning Jutsu. You should make your next thread "Katsuyu vs Neji (Or Hinata) ". :lol Guess who'd win?

 

[Jinrou]

What you forget is that she can spit acid from several directions and the fact that she tanked Pain's village buster cho-shinra tensei ( a chakra based blunt attack )

They are both versed in evasion iirc so to be completely surrounded doesn't seem plausible to me at least...and ST is gravity. With Chakra based punch they actually release chakra at the point of impact.

 

[BLAZE]

They are both versed in evasion iirc so to be completely surrounded doesn't seem plausible to me at least...and ST is gravity. With Chakra based punch they actually release chakra at the point of impact.

Well both are false.Shinra tense is chakra dependent.its size clearly depends on amount of chakra poured in the jutsu and nowhere does it say chakra based punch releases chakra on point of impact

Shinra-tensei (All-Nature Repulsion).
Ninjutsu, Keke-genkai, offensive, defensive, close range.
Users:Nagato
Invisible hand of God, that repels anything in creation!
Pain Tendou uses this jutsu, utilizing the generated from the users hands repulsive (gravity) force to repel targets away. The number of targets that can be repelled and their size are irrelevant . In addition by stopping the utilization of other Pain paths the amount of chakra put in the jutsu, its strength and area of effect can be greatly increased. With one strike of its power entire Konoha no sato (Konoha village) was turned to smoldering ash. But after this jutsu has been triggered there is a small five second window it can't be used again. The originating repulsion force generated by the power of all creation”shinra obiki” (something that binds all together,so likely gravitation) forces its targets to collide together with a great force and put out additional damage, combined together with the initial force (shock wave) it puts up even more damage. Only those who can manipulate all chakra transformation properties (seishitsu) legendary “Rinnegan” wielders are allowed to posses this jutsu that has all rights to be called “crystally perfect”.
Picture: Its repulsion force is so strong that even ninjutsu and taijutsu are equally ineffective against this jutsu, with an unexpected discharge of the invisible force, it is very easy to catch opponents off guard .
So it seems that shinra tensei uses natural gravitational force, and only the one who has all chakra transformation (including yin-yang) can manipulate natural gravity field (shinra obiki).

 

[Antdog]

Neither Sakura nor Tsunade can hurt Katsuyu so they eventually get outlasted

 

[Jinrou]

Well both are false.Shinra tense is chakra dependent.its size clearly depends on amount of chakra poured in the jutsu and nowhere does it say chakra based punch releases chakra on point of impact

Every technique apart from taijutsu (i think) in NV is chakra dependent. What is different is how these techniques are made. In that post you can see the word gravity being used meaning its made with chakra and of course the more chakra used the larger it'll become.

Shadow clones are made with chakra..Rasengan is made of Chakra, Gourd sand's defensive ability is made of raw chakra being put into it while sand prison is made with chakra, Kidomaru's gold armor is made with chakra...rotation is made of chakra.

In these examples perhaps with the exception of Kidomaru, the sizes, volumes or hardness of the techniques whether made of/with chakra can be multiplied by increasing the amount of chakra used. ST is made with chakra not made of chakra so its merely a powerful blunt force attack.

And i also just realized the punch thing was only mentioned in the non viz translation but i don't see how it would be incorrect?

 

[Misо]

No restrictions, open field

Obviously katsuyu. They cant do anything against her acid attacks. PLUS Katsuyu is a HUGE ASS animal. Sakura and Tsunade can only summon a very small bit of her. Full Katsuyu will rape Sakura and Tsunade combined..

 

[BLAZE]

Every technique apart from taijutsu (i think) in NV is chakra dependent. What is different is how these techniques are made. In that post you can see the word gravity being used meaning its made with chakra and of course the more chakra used the larger it'll become.

Yes both shinra tensei and bansho tenin are gravity control but the outout depends on amount of chakra used

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each of katsuyu's part tanked something that busted the whole village so physical attack like ces is not destroying it

Shadow clones are made with chakra..Rasengan is made of Chakra, Gourd sand's defensive ability is made of raw chakra being put into it while sand prison is made with chakra, Kidomaru's gold armor is made with chakra...rotation is made of chakra.

second Last one is not true
also non of those are jutsu like shinra tensei

In these examples perhaps with the exception of Kidomaru, the sizes, volumes or hardness of the techniques whether made of/with chakra can be multiplied by increasing the amount of chakra used. ST is made with chakra not made of chakra so its merely a powerful blunt force attack.

uh kidomaru's golden liquid is not made of chakra.he can channel chakra through it bu material is not chakra construct.

And i also just realized the punch thing was only mentioned in the non viz translation but i don't see how it would be incorrect?

CES just enhances users physical strength giving them herculean strength to kick;punch;elbow or lift things.it was nowhere said chakra is released from point of impact

 

[Jinrou]

Yes both shinra tensei and bansho tenin are gravity control but the outout depends on amount of chakra used

each of katsuyu's part tanked something that busted the whole village so physical attack like ces is not destroying it


second Last one is not true
also non of those are jutsu like shinra tensei

The bold is correct but your previous statement made it seem like you meant the force itself was chakra which it isn't. Katsuyu has feats against blunt attacks but none against raw chakra attacks like i think the chakra punch is.

uh kidomaru's golden liquid is not made of chakra.he can channel chakra through it bu material is not chakra construct.

I know...i was talking about the armor that kept out Neji.

CES just enhances users physical strength giving them herculean strength to kick;punch;elbow or lift things.it was nowhere said chakra is released from point of impact

I don't think 'CES' is a thing ever mentioned in the manga, and i fail to see how chakra is gathered to the fist and just left there especially when it says in the databook that it isn't superhuman strength.

 

[BLAZE]

The bold is correct but your previous statement made it seem like you meant the force itself was chakra which it isn't. Katsuyu has feats against blunt attacks but none against raw chakra attacks like i think the chakra punch is.

That blunt force was derevative of chakra itself just like CES enhances users strength.katsuyu's body would just act as cushion against the punch or at max it will split into multiple slugs to fend it of

I don't think 'CES' is a thing ever mentioned in the manga, and i fail to see how chakra is gathered to the fist and just left there especially when it says in the databook that it isn't superhuman strength.

Databook 2

Konoha Thousand Leaves Collection #24

It would seem Tsunade's "outrageous strength" completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.

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-Here's to a painful and bitter end! Such is Tsunade-hime's insane, "Legendary", power!!

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-One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta's huge dosu** with absurd ease...?!

-The kind of might that opens craters into the ground in one blow!!

 

[Jinrou]

That blunt force was derevative of chakra itself just like CES enhances users strength.katsuyu's body would just act as cushion against the punch or at max it will split into multiple slugs to fend it of


Konoha Thousand Leaves Collection #24

It would seem Tsunade's "outrageous strength" completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.

Caption

-Here's to a painful and bitter end! Such is Tsunade-hime's insane, "Legendary", power!!

Picture comments

-One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta's huge dosu** with absurd ease...?!

-The kind of might that opens craters into the ground in one blow!!

Where exactly does that bold come from? The underlined part in the db quote translates to Tsunade has bodily strength but by doing what Sakura calls cherry blossom impact, her destruction feat is overwhelming.. And this correlates with what we've seen in the manga but we know for a fact that the instant collection of chakra in the fists isn't superhuman strength. DB3 makes that clear.

But that's by the way as you don't seem to understand what i'm saying..why would Chakra be instantly collected in the fists if its not going to be released? And this is considering the strength of a punch doesn't exactly come from the fists which is why Kabuto cut the muscles in Tsunade's arms when he didn't want her to use her strength (

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[BLAZE]

Where exactly does that bold come from? The underlined part in the db quote translates to Tsunade has bodily strength but by doing what Sakura calls cherry blossom impact, her destruction feat is overwhelming.. And this correlates with what we've seen in the manga but we know for a fact that the instant collection of chakra in the fists isn't superhuman strength. DB3 makes that clear.

Nope this part here is talking about CES.CES does not have a direct databook entry but it has this as explanation
Sakura's Cherry blossom impact is just derivative of it just like tsunade's painfull sky leg is another derivative of this jutsu.Thus Tsunade can use Cherry blossom impact or sakura can use painfull sky leg becoz in both cases the chakra is used magnify the strength
yes it is superhuman strength

DB repeats that Sakura caught up to Naruto and Sasuke (in the moment that Sakura states such in the manga). It's something along the lines, Sakura is a special case her level was hidden. However while Naruto and Sasuke were always running ahead of her she finally caught up to them.

Pushing forward through rigorous training. Eventually she blossomed or insert other flower nonsense to stand for becoming great here. She polished/improved/refines her strong arm and medical ninjutsu.

Sakura had the same chakra control and talent as Tsunade, and before long it blossomed. (So I guess her chakra control is >= to Tsunade's now lol).
Sakura's talent allowed her to inherit Tsunade's Kinjutsu (Byakugo, i'm assuming).

Stuff about helping her teammates or watching their back being her strong point, saving Sasuke from his darkness, meh, I kind of got board and skipped through this section (lol). Than skipped over the pairing page, if there's something interesting i'm sorry, but I just can't even.

I think it says she received Shizune's techniques as Shizune also trained her like an older sister. I think it also says she surpass Shizune, but I'm really skimming now.

Talks about the rules of being a medic and how the medic should naturally stay out of the front lines. Except when they have the Ninjutsu "Sousou Saisei Byakugou". Sakura adopted the Jutsu due to her incredible talent. The ability to surpass ones own self healing, and heal ones own wounds right on the spot, that's the power "Sousou Sisei Byakgou"

The weapon that Sakura has that the enemy should fear is her Herculean strength.

But that's by the way as you don't seem to understand what i'm saying..why would Chakra be instantly collected in the fists if its not going to be released? And this is considering the strength of a punch doesn't exactly come from the fists which is why Kabuto cut the muscles in Tsunade's arms when he didn't want her to use her strength (

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kidgamer gave a better explanation of what am saying since i also used to believe sakura's punch was chakra explosion.lemme find it

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