WB commanders dont have the same format as the BM commanders. Cant compare them
This just leads more credence to what I'm saying. The concept of "Emperor commander" doesn't fall into a neat set of criteria. You can't say "Katakuri is an Emperor Commander, so he definitely can do at least XYZ" when we have commanders that have done less than that.
It's even worse when you start saying "Commanders aren't the same across the crews." If you want to say "Sanji isn't the on the level of Emperor commanders," then the concept of an Emperor's commander needs to be static across the board. You're just increasing how dynamic it is by saying "Commanders vary by crew."
It's like saying "This character isn't on the level of New World pirates." In some cases it might work, but the concept is simply too broad and dynamic to be used for a statement as static as that.
Now, if you want to say "Sanji isn't on the level of a Sweet Commander," then you need to establish that a Sweet Commander is static enough for that statement. You'd need proof from the manga that shows Big Mom's commanders all being within the same ballpark of strength with no outliers between them, which we haven't seen so far in the manga since only one of Big Mom's commanders has even gotten feats and portrayal.
The other two are Snack and Katakuri, and neither of them have been given portrayal within the powerscale like Cracker has, any feats like Cracker has, or hype.
The reason I bring up the Whitebeard pirates is to show that "They are commanders of an Emperor's crew, that automatically makes them on the same level with no outliers" isn't something you can say since we have examples of commanders not fitting this model. We need that to actually be demonstrated in the manga. This isn't to say that Oda will NEVER show that to be the case for the Sweet Commanders, I'm just saying he HASN'T demonstrated that in the manga thus far and it's inaccurate to say that he has. At this point, it's really no more than a gut feeling.
, when cracker was first mentioned, the scope was limited to hes ¨one of the three commanders" while in WBs case the commanders each lead a division implying theyŕe more seperate. Katakuri as a commander is likely the strongest or the second strongest from BMs crew considering the fact that he was the latest to get confronted by the strawhats side(Capone).
The "confronted last" argument doesn't work either. Luffy confronted Cracker before Big Mom, does that mean that Big Mom is automatically stronger? We have countless cases of a character being introduced before characters that are both part of the same group and weaker than them.
The gab may be big considering the Urouge vs Snack fight result but they all have enough for us to assume that they comfortably beat Sanji with what he has currently shown.
Again, what demonstrates that the Sweet Commanders follow a static spread, versus a dynamic spread with outliers?
Lmfao this actually reached 3 pages? Wow. I'm scratching my head, why people are entertaining Riker?
Just to put things in to perspective how retarded the notion of even considering this possibility, I'd be less surprised if we skip to Wano and see Zoro sitting ontop of Kaidou's corpse, than Sanji beating Katakuri.
Refute me then.
You must have skipped the word "if".
Hence the part of my post where I mention that both Katakuri and Ichiji have no feats, hype, or portrayal. These characters have fulfilled the same parameters in terms of combat(none), yet you include a hypothetical that Katakuri MIGHT be as strong as Marco, but Ichiji is DEFINITELY weaker by a large margin in all possible situations?
They have the same level of hype, feats, and portrayal, but Ichiji only has ONE possible level of strength while Katakuri is given a far larger window? That's literal bias.
There's nothing to suggest that Ichiji can't be the Marco level one while Katakuri is the weaker one. I'm not saying that that will be the case, mind you, I'm saying the manga hasn't of yet demonstrated that that WILL be the case. If there is, then I happily implore you to show it to me.
But whatever this whole post makes you look ignorant as hell. Comparing Curiel to Marco who is clearly stronger and more relevant to suit your argument is pathetic.
What? The point of my argument was the role of "Emperor commander"(not Sweet Commander) is very dynamic in its scope and has outliers.
The fact that you put Marco so above Curiel in your post is EXACTLY the point of mine: There is an extreme gap between two people of the same rank, so you can't use that as such a uniform criteria where you say "He's this rank, so he's automatically stronger."
Theres nothing suggesting that Katakuri isn't one of her strongest commander if not her strongest commander.
I never said there was. The entire point of my posts here was that we haven't seen ANYTHING from Katakuri to make a distinction one way or another. He could be the weakest. He could be the strongest. He could be the strongest/weakest by a large margin. He could be the strongest/weakest by a small margin. All of these are still left open with what the manga has given us thus far, so NONE of us can post saying he's any of those and then say "I know this because the manga told us so."
I personally expect Katakuri to be stronger than Cracker, but not because the manga has told me so as many are claiming their posts here is derived from. What I'm challenging with my posts is that notion. It's nothing more than gut feelings from all of us, which makes discussing it very pointless.
Your logic is flawed as hell and you know it, you think its a coincidence that out of the 3 commanders, Katakuri was the last to be revealed and has the highest bounty out of all of them?
I mean, going by this logic, Mihawk is the weakest Shichibukai because he was the first to be revealed. Shanks is also the weakest Emperor for this reason. Luffy is the weakest member of the Worst Generation.
Those things might make us EXPECT Katakuri to be the strongest of the commanders, but they come NOWHERE close to confirming that or being enough to use as proof in actual debates/fights since we have many instances of someone being introduced before a character they're stronger than while being part of the same organization.
It's like saying Bonney is confirmed Big Mom's daughter because of the lipstick and her gluttony. These things might act as HINTS, but they're not confirmations or demonstrations that can be used to say "Oh yeah, that's definitely happening for sure."
Katakuri is getting hyped right now meanwhile what the hell is Cracker doing right now? His ass is knocked the hell out still getting treatment. Meanwhile Smoothie is just around getting no hype or anything whatsoever. Its obvious what oda is trying to get us to understand. Meanwhile your sitting hear acting like you don't know what context is.
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extremely ironic.
The only hype Katakuri has gotten AT ALL is that his ability to see into the future makes him the biggest threat to the plan. Note that this means he's a bigger threat than Big Mom herself. Does that mean that Katakuri is stronger than Big Mom? It's the same hype that you're saying makes him stronger than Smoothie and Cracker after all.
The context of the only hype Katakuri has gotten so far, is that he puts a technical wrench in Bege's plan. Not because of his combat power, but because of TECHNICAL-based relation to a scenario. The context that Bege fears Katakuri in is one where strength doesn't actually matter. Katakuri could be as weak as Usopp and STILL be the biggest threat to the plan because he doesn't need to be the strongest Commander to be able to warn Big Mom that she's gonna be assassinated.
