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The only thing even remotely debatable for Sanji vs Katakuri was whether or not Katakuri would low diff or no diff Sanji.
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i dont think you have basic reading skills. the thread was a lot of riker arguing how a billion dollar bounty might not indicate strength level of katakuri which was asinine. It was full of arguments against kata being as hyped as he was. ppl really lack common sense on this base and you are one of the repeat offenders of this. just because you write a lot does not mean your points are valid.
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So after clown 1 finally shuts up without bringing anything substantial to the table, clown 2 shows up.
What exactly are you accusing me off ?
Telling me that I'm wrong for calling Dannie on his bullshit claims that he thought people were saying Sanji > Katakuri in this thread ?
Because that never happened.
What a sore loser, couldn't get his point across on a whole page in this thread and now he's playing it on the man.
Also irrelevant, because I don't give a fuck who Sanji can or cannot beat. Sanji was in the limelight for more than a year doing what he does best, wrecking stuff and looking good while doing it.
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Except it wasn't. The reveal of a bounty is never a 100% indicator of strength. And that is what I argued in that thread.
I never said that Ichiji and Sanji were on Katakuri's level. I never even said it wasn't more likely that Katakuri was stronger than both. I said there weren't any feats or hype that allowed anyone to make those statements as a 100% fact, and that remained true until the chapter where Katakuri bodied Ichiji and the most recent chapter.
That thread was a lot of "A is true because of B," when B didn't have that correlation to A at the time. Just because it turns out to be true, doesn't mean what I said was false: It was nothing but guesswork and not a 100% fact.
The same can be said rn about Katakuri and the Gorosei. If I said to you "Katakuri beats all five of them, and that's a 100% fact," you'd agree to both parts of that statement, then?
As far as I remember that has been Brook and Jimbei, but pat on the back for the "year of Sanji" optimism.
Yeah, I see what you are trying to do, but this example is not a good comparison because the Gorosei are at the top of the WG, even if they are featless old men, their status and hype are greater than Katakuri's has ever been considering we know who the WG is and how much influence they have on the world, it wouldn't make any sense for me to assume that they are weak or that Katakuri can beat all 5 of them, but Ichiji literally just got introduced as some big bad assassin group that(as Bogard said) wasn't that impressive and didn't live up to the hype compared to how Katakuri was introduced.
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This is a sign of intelligence and leadership, not combat. The Gorosei have zero combat related hype, so the comparison stands.
For one thing, while the Germa 66 were introduced as that big badass army of evil, Ichiji himself hadn't received any hype towards his personal abilities. Like the Gorosei, he was a blank slate.
At the time this thread was discussed, we didn't see what happened to Judge or Ichiji vs Katakuri. Bogard's entire reasoning for "Ichiji has shit hype" was based around the peformances of Yonji and Niji, with Yonji being defeated and Niji taking a blow. That was flawed because:
1. The blow did nothing to Ninji
2. Niji and Yonji aren't reflections of Ichiji. Bogard saying that Ichiji's hype dropped because Yonji was defeated is the same as someone saying they view Luffy differently because of Franky's power level.
It wasn't until Katakuri defeated Ichiji that we got any indication of where Ichiji stood in the hierarchy of the OP world.
We just gonna act like Ichiji back then was seen that much stronger than his brothers? Ichiji is part of the Vinsmoke family, so he should have been either around Sanji's level or weaker, considering we got a little scuffle with Sanji and Judge, and Sanji pretty much held his own, while being completely dominated by Vergo and Doffy. The best hype we got from Ichiji was that he was the eldest son of the notorious Vinsmokes, but that isn't even ability hype, and Bege hyping up Katakuri because of his observation haki and realizing that he might mess up their entire operation to take out BM should have been an indicator that Katakuri received much more hype, and was likely stronger than Ichiji and Sanji back then.
Sanji and Ichiji were never displayed to be on the same level as a commander because even the likes of Luffy struggled with one.
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That's a prime example of your shallowness, you look for those one or two outstanding panels. Because Brook was cool and saved the day a couple of times, but he was near invisible for the rest of the arc storywise.
Sanji was the main character for over a year.
Year of Sanji doesn't mean bullshit power-up parade and non stop asskicking. It means the focus is on him. So if you expected that, you have only yourself to blame. But thanks for patting me on the back for helping me show you the light.
Omg you really don't read anything.
I literally said you're so shallow you look for those one or two outstanding panels, while missing the bigger picture.
And your reply is "He has one or two decent moments".
Point missed and bigger picture missed. What an idiot. I'm done with you, stop wasting my time.
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He wasn't portrayed as ANYTHING to his brothers. Back then, I could have said Ichiji is just as strong as the other Vinsmokes, you could have said he was weaker, and Love Cook could have said he was stronger, and all of us would have an equal amount of proof behind those statements: Nothing.
This makes absolutely no sense. Unless a sweeping statement is made about a group, such as the statement about the strength of Admirals and Yonko, then that group doesn't share hype and portrayal that only occurs on an individual level.
By this logic, every member of the Monkey family is as weak as Luffy as at any given point in the story. Doflamingo's strength is reflected by Lao G because they're in the same Donquixote Family group. Usopp reflects Luffy's strength. Crocodile reflects the strength of any other Shichibukai, including Mihawk. Blueno reflects all members of CP9. Nothing about this logic worked when Bogard used it, and it doesn't work now.
Precisely. Ichiji's abilities were never portrayed prior to him being defeated by Katakuri.
Even this isn't hype the way you're phrasing it. This hype of "most dangerous" was given to Katakuri because he had an ability that was specifically threatening to this specific style of planning. Katakuri was the most dangerous because the entire plan revolved around the element of surprise and Katakuri can see the future, ruining that element.
If Big Mom vs the alliance was Bege picking up a Den Den Mushi and going "Yo, we're coming to Whole Cake at 4:00 tomorrow and we're waging war," Katakuri wouldn't have received that hype.
I never denied this. I denied saying this as though it were 100% and the only scenario that could happen when nothing at the time actually indicated that.
This entire argument on yours' end has been "A is true because of B," when B didn't prove A at all. Just because A ended up being true after all doesn't mean you weren't still wrong about that connection.
No one said 100% so idk why u brought that up it's a good indicator most of the time especially in this case where it's a 1 billion bounty. I am not addressing all the other stuff you're talking about since I wasn't arguing with u about that.
Dude a billion dollar bounty is hype itself lol. And u say there wasn't any hype.
Howlett and Love Cook are actually right though...
Can't really believe that people are talking about what members said on here before certain information was revealed in the manga.. lol what's the point?
If people want to guess right now that Jack < King and Queen (which is highly probable of course) but then Oda makes it to where Jack is the strongest calamity, based on facts that are black and white in the manga, how can anyone talk shit about those people who were just guessing and theorizing??
At the end of the day those thoughts were BEFORE the manga revealed any proof or facts.. it's not that big of a deal.. :bdpf:
Can't really believe that people are talking about what members said on here before certain information was revealed in the manga.. lol what's the point?
If people want to guess right now that Jack < King and Queen (which is highly probable of course) but then Oda makes it to where Jack is the strongest calamity, based on facts that are black and white in the manga, how can anyone talk shit about those people who were just guessing and theorizing??
At the end of the day those thoughts were BEFORE the manga revealed any proof or facts.. it's not that big of a deal.. :bdpf:
No it's not. We have something called hype in this manga and we use that to separate characters in tiers etc. the second we knew he had a billion berry bounty, it's confirmed that his hype exceeds that of sanji and ichiji. This isn't called guessing