[VS] Katakuri VS

[Dannie]

Even this isn't hype the way you're phrasing it. This hype of "most dangerous" was given to Katakuri because he had an ability that was specifically threatening to this specific style of planning. Katakuri was the most dangerous because the entire plan revolved around the element of surprise and Katakuri can see the future, ruining that element.

If Big Mom vs the alliance was Bege picking up a Den Den Mushi and going "Yo, we're coming to Whole Cake at 4:00 tomorrow and we're waging war," Katakuri wouldn't have received that hype.

And what do you think of his bounty? He is one of the few we have seen who has a bounty in the billions, so surely that hype should have been sufficient enough to place him well over Sanji and possibly even Ichiji back then.

>He is one of the 3 sweet commanders under a yonko crew(possibly the strongest) and we already know that being the top commander of ANY yonko crew means you are powerful as shit like seen with WB's first mate Marco.

Dude a billion dollar bounty is hype itself lol. And u say there wasn't any hype.

No it's not. We have something called hype in this manga and we use that to separate characters in tiers etc. the second we knew he had a billion berry bounty, it's confirmed that his hype exceeds that of sanji and ichiji. This isn't called guessing

This. I hope people aren't under the impression that Katakuri's bounty is not a form of hype to automatically place him above the likes of Sanji or Ichiji, or that we can just ignore that this is a form of hype despite us not seeing anything from Ichiji.

We don't need to see anything from Ichiji to ignore that Katakuri was hyped with a billion bounty. If Ichiji received no hype and Katakuri received some hype then whose hype is greater automatically?

 

[Love Cook]

LC getting triggered he looked like a dumbass in hindsight lmfao.

I feel bad man, at the end of it all those Ls, Sanji is gonna bake a cake to make up for it.

Come on then, quote me.

What point made me look dumb in hindsight. Please reply and don't leave with your tail between your legs again like you always do.

 

[Dannie]

Come on then, quote me.

What point made me look dumb in hindsight. Please reply and don't leave with your tail between your legs again like you always do.

You quoting a non serious post and taking it seriously made you look dumb.

 

[Love Cook]

You quoting a non serious post and taking it seriously made you look dumb.

Fuck off, you already got served multiple times yesterday. You're all noise no substance. You never add a single argument, you never reply on a quote, you don't bother to read the thread before you post and your basic level of understanding is laughable.

I already told you, I'm done with you, Stop wasting my time.

You're a poor excuse for a troll who only tries to play on the man, never on the content.

This post wasn't even directed to you, and you still feel the need to butt in. Weak.

 

[Dannie]

Fuck off, you already got served multiple times yesterday. You're all noise no substance. You never add a single argument, you never reply on a quote, you don't bother to read the thread before you post and your basic level of understanding is laughable.

I already told you, I'm done with you, Stop wasting my time.

You're a poor excuse for a troll who only tries to play on the man, never on the content.

This post wasn't even directed to you, and you still feel the need to butt in. Weak.

>Says he was done with me yesterday
>Still falls for my "weak trolling"

Man, you really do come off as a 12 year old edgelord, huh?

 

[LBeezy]

No it's not. We have something called hype in this manga and we use that to separate characters in tiers etc. the second we knew he had a billion berry bounty, it's confirmed that his hype exceeds that of sanji and ichiji. This isn't called guessing

His bounty is definitely hype.. that's obvious... but Ichiji didn't have a bounty given at all, number one.. number two, bounty isn't ALWAYS 100% fact based on the strength of a character.. we go through this all time here on the base... (not just you and I, but everyone in general)

Robin's bounty as a kid didn't reflect her strength in the slightest..

Kid having a higher bounty than Luffy did not mean Kid was stronger than Luffy..


The bottom line here, is that it's foolish and immature af for anyone to talk shit about what people were discussing/guessing/theorizing about before the manga revealed any proof or facts..

Idk how anyone can disagree with me on that...

 

[Punk Hazard]

And what do you think of his bounty?

I don't think anything of bounties until it's revealed what each bounty is meant to represent. For Katakuri's, it turns out to be strength. But I'm not going to assume what Jack's or Perospero's is majority determined by.

He is one of the few we have seen who has a bounty in the billions, so surely that hype should have been sufficient enough to place him well over Sanji and possibly even Ichiji back then.

Nope, because bounties aren't power levels. By this logic, Ace should have beat Blackbeard because his bounty was 550,000,000 and Teach's was 0.

It's funny how many people are saying bounty is a hype of strength, but will turn around ASAP and say Luffy>Law.

>He is one of the 3 sweet commanders under a yonko crew(possibly the strongest) and we already know that being the top commander of ANY yonko crew means you are powerful as shit like seen with WB's first mate Marco.

And I can just as easily say being a commander means you're Curiel-level, because Curiel is a commander. This "top commander" rank is something made up by the fandom, and given that the BM pirates only have three commanders, "top commanders" makes no sense in reference to such a small sample size.

You cannot lump a group of people into the same level of strength based on individual hype. You can only lump the BM commanders together with hype they receive TOGETHER. Otherwise, you have the same issue of Usopp reflecting Luffy, Crocodile reflecting Mihawk, Vergo reflecting Garp, that you conveniently ignored.

We don't need to see anything from Ichiji to ignore that Katakuri was hyped with a billion bounty. If Ichiji received no hype and Katakuri received some hype then whose hype is greater automatically?

You can't compare positive portrayal to a portrayal that's a blank slate. Ichiji received no placement in the power scale at that time, so he shouldn't have even been a factor in VS matches period.

 

[LBeezy]

No one can debate against me.

Try and fail..

 

[Dibattista27]

No one can debate against me.

Try and fail..

in regard too?

 

[ToshiZO]

Come on then, quote me.

What point made me look dumb in hindsight. Please reply and don't leave with your tail between your legs again like you always do.

Here :

oooh he has a rang ? Please let me change my prediction and make an uneducated guess. Your way of thinking is so much more logical than mine. Geez look at me not making any baseless accusations.

"uneducated guess"
"baseless"

Acting like a bounty over 1 billion and most of all being a sweet commander which is a title based on strength alone, after we already saw Cracker in action, is baseless. Not to mention Cracker having a significantly lower bounty while being in the same crew, and with bounties being extremely tough to increase at those numbers, but that might have been too much for you to take in, so I'll leave it at holds Cracker's rank and with a Bounty over 1 billion.

You and Riker were out here making yourselves look like tools by ignoring clear portrayal and hype laid out by Oda. Portrayal was enough, common sense was enough, never needed feats here to give an educated answer.

 

[LBeezy]

in regard too?

About this..

The bottom line here, is that it's foolish and immature af for anyone to talk shit about what people were discussing/guessing/theorizing about before the manga revealed any proof or facts..

Idk how anyone can disagree with me on that...

 

[Love Cook]

Here :




"uneducated guess"
"baseless"

Acting like a bounty over 1 billion and most of all being a sweet commander which is a title based on strength alone, after we already saw Cracker in action, is baseless. Not to mention Cracker having a significantly lower bounty while being in the same crew, and with bounties being extremely tough to increase at those numbers, but that might have been too much for you to take in, so I'll leave it at holds Cracker's rank and with a Bounty over 1 billion.

You and Riker were out here making yourselves look like tools by ignoring clear portrayal and hype laid out by Oda. Portrayal was enough, common sense was enough, never needed feats here to give an educated answer.

Fucktard.... that entire point loses all weight when I start off by saying that I think Katakuri wins in all scenario's

Of course I think that Katakuri wins all scenario's after the current introduction.

If you quote someone, don't quote a part and leave out the context, the part about uneducated guesses was about the level of difficulty and the fact that we knew nothing about 2 out of 3 fighters.

So I acted like nothing, I didnt assume the rank of Sweet Commander was weak, I didn't underestimate the bounty, and therefore I didn't make myself look like a tool

You on the other hand, who actively is cutting and pasting parts out of my posts to try to make a point, are acting like a tool by not reading and just not admitting that I was right back then.

But keep telling me I look dumb in hindsight, while everything checks out. Fool

 

[ToshiZO]

Fucktard.... that entire point loses all weight when I start off by saying that I think Katakuri wins in all scenario's



If you quote someone, don't quote a part and leave out the context, the part about uneducated guesses was about the level of difficulty and the fact that we knew nothing about 2 out of 3 fighters.

So I acted like nothing, I didnt assume the rank of Sweet Commander was weak, I didn't underestimate the bounty, and therefore I didn't make myself look like a tool

You on the other hand, who actively is cutting and pasting parts out of my posts to try to make a point, are acting like a tool by not reading and just admitting that I was right back than.

But keep telling me I look dumb in hindsight, while everything checks out. Fool

That was the part where you replied to me, don't get your panties in a bunch lmfao.

I don't care if you thought Katakuri won or not, my point was you acting like others were making baseless assumptions and uneducated guesses. You tried to brush being a sweet commander and having a 1 billion bounty aside, that has been the point from the start. You and Riker just played yourselves trying to force this devils advocate bs where it wasn't needed.

Don't be a bum, I only even bothered quoting you just now cause you were desperate enough to leave a VM. Nothing needs to be discussed or debated here anymore.

 

[Love Cook]

That was the part where you replied to me, don't get your panties in a bunch lmfao.

I don't care if you thought Katakuri won or not, my point was you acting like others were making baseless assumptions and uneducated guesses. You tried to brush being a sweet commander and having a 1 billion bounty aside, that has been the point from the start. You and Riker just played yourselves trying to force this devils advocate bs where it wasn't needed.

Don't be a bum, I only even bothered quoting you just now cause you were desperate enough to leave a VM. Nothing needs to be discussed or debated here anymore.

I left you a VM because I saw you were talking about me behind my back ya loser.

Don't act like I'm the one who is all hot and bothered about this. Apparently the things I've got to say are so interesting that they need to be discussed in your little tea party with the rest of the gossip girls.

Others were making baseless assumptions since nothing but a number and a rank was known about Katakuri, nothing was known about Ichiji and the only constant in that line-up was Sanji.

So you can make a guess, but it would be an uneducated guess. By the looks of it Luffy is now a bad match up vs Katakuri while Jimbe might have more potential with his Fishman Karate against him.

Would you rate Jimbei over Luffy ? Probably not. And that's why you never know how the battle will go.

That 1 bil bounty is very interesting, but like I said before. Bounties on enemies of the SH's mean nothing. Because they will sooner or later fall at the hands of one of them. And someone with a much lower bounty will be pulling the trigger.

Crocodile was taken out by someone weaker, Enel was, Vergo was, Doflamingo was, so it's not weird to think that a bad power match-up can cause a problem for Katakuri.

But go ahead talk shit about the person who doesn't join the speculation circus and tried to stay out of it by saying, I don't know enough to call it. Even though I said he would win everything.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Here :




"uneducated guess"
"baseless"

Acting like a bounty over 1 billion and most of all being a sweet commander which is a title based on strength alone, after we already saw Cracker in action, is baseless. Not to mention Cracker having a significantly lower bounty while being in the same crew, and with bounties being extremely tough to increase at those numbers, but that might have been too much for you to take in, so I'll leave it at holds Cracker's rank and with a Bounty over 1 billion.

You and Riker were out here making yourselves look like tools by ignoring clear portrayal and hype laid out by Oda. Portrayal was enough, common sense was enough, never needed feats here to give an educated answer.

Ace> Blackbeard
Usopp> Franky
Robin at Enies Lobby> Sanji all pre-skip
Usopp> Blackbeard

All confirmed

 

[arv993]

Ace> Blackbeard
Usopp> Franky
Robin at Enies Lobby> Sanji all pre-skip
Usopp> Blackbeard

All confirmed

Yea we are comparing small differences which can be due to external factors such as robins specific threat level to WG etc to a guy who has a billion berry bounty. great analysis as always.

 

[arv993]

His bounty is definitely hype.. that's obvious... but Ichiji didn't have a bounty given at all, number one.. number two, bounty isn't ALWAYS 100% fact based on the strength of a character.. we go through this all time here on the base... (not just you and I, but everyone in general)

Robin's bounty as a kid didn't reflect her strength in the slightest..

Kid having a higher bounty than Luffy did not mean Kid was stronger than Luffy..


The bottom line here, is that it's foolish and immature af for anyone to talk shit about what people were discussing/guessing/theorizing about before the manga revealed any proof or facts..

Idk how anyone can disagree with me on that...

Dude robin is a specific exception. Kid only had what like 20 mil on luffy? pre skip kid could have went and killed a whole town and be murderous as hitler but he would not go to a billion berry bounty. There are levels to it. Think of bounties as more of tiers guys close to a billion are not gonna to be sanji level. Ichiji was never given that kind of hype so assuming he might be kata level is stupid why don't we just assume post skip lucci is that level I mean you never kno right?? Lol but he doesn't have the hype.

You guys have no sense of context, making this argument is ludicrous.

 

[ToshiZO]

Ace> Blackbeard

Both rising pirates. BB a rookie.

Usopp> Franky

Both rising/growing pirates.

Robin at Enies Lobby> Sanji all pre-skip

Both rising/growing pirates

Usopp> Blackbeard

Both rising/growing pirates.

All confirmed

The only thing confirmed here is you lacking the ability to understand this manga. Comparing established veteran pirates, to ones growing every day.

Rookie pirates,young pirates on the rise, and Frozen bounties. All outliers, more or less. Each and every one of your examples was a false equivalency. The sad part is that wasn't even the core of my post, but a little side note.

Try again lmao.

I left you a VM because I saw you were talking about me behind my back ya loser.

Don't act like I'm the one who is all hot and bothered about this. Apparently the things I've got to say are so interesting that they need to be discussed in your little tea party with the rest of the gossip girls.

Others were making baseless assumptions since nothing but a number and a rank was known about Katakuri, nothing was known about Ichiji and the only constant in that line-up was Sanji.

So you can make a guess, but it would be an uneducated guess. By the looks of it Luffy is now a bad match up vs Katakuri while Jimbe might have more potential with his Fishman Karate against him.

Would you rate Jimbei over Luffy ? Probably not. And that's why you never know how the battle will go.

That 1 bil bounty is very interesting, but like I said before. Bounties on enemies of the SH's mean nothing. Because they will sooner or later fall at the hands of one of them. And someone with a much lower bounty will be pulling the trigger.

Crocodile was taken out by someone weaker, Enel was, Vergo was, Doflamingo was, so it's not weird to think that a bad power match-up can cause a problem for Katakuri.

But go ahead talk shit about the person who doesn't join the speculation circus and tried to stay out of it by saying, I don't know enough to call it. Even though I said he would win everything.

Its ok I forgive you, you didn't look half as bad as Riker anyway.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Both rising pirates. BB a rookie.

Both rising/growing pirates.
Both rising/growing pirates
Both rising/growing pirates.



The only thing confirmed here is you lacking the ability to understand this manga. Comparing established veteran pirates, to ones growing every day.

Rookie pirates,young pirates on the rise, and Frozen bounties. All outliers, more or less. Each and every one of your examples was a false equivalency. The sad part is that wasn't even the core of my post, but a little side note.

Try again lmao.









Its ok I forgive you, you didn't look half as bad as Riker anyway.

None of this actually refutes my point: Exceptions exist. Meaning that Katakuri being stronger than Cracker because of bounty wasn't 100%. And that's all the argument ever was.

You can explain the hype all you want. Won't change that it wasn't 100%/a guarantee.

Yea we are comparing small differences which can be due to external factors such as robins specific threat level to WG etc to a guy who has a billion berry bounty. great analysis as always.

1. Relativity. I'm comparing pirates whose bounty progression and rise to infamy are happening close together because that's the case for Katakuri and Cracker as well.

2. Your acknowledgement that external factors affect bounty, aside from strength, just supports my argument.

 

[Dannie]

Oh, I wonder why Oda had Katakuri introduced with a 1 billion bounty and being known as a huge threat to the tea party, while Cracker was introduced to have a slightly lower bounty and got hit by a Kong Gun in the next chapter like it was nothing. It is not just a coincidence. It is called portrayal and because Oda intentionally had Katakuri look stronger than Cracker.

Oda doesn't even show everyones bounties when a new character is introduced but I wonder why he had these 2 sweet commanders bounties introduced, not to mention one of them being set up to be unstoppable because of his haki. Stop.

Bounties on enemies of the SH's mean nothing.

That doesn't take away from their bounty being of worth and a huge indicator of how dangerous and strong they may be.

You either are given a high bounty because of the threat level you pose to the world government or because you are so powerful that you have threatened the world government with your powers. Just because they are made enemies of the SH's does not mean that their bounty means nothing.

Because they will sooner or later fall at the hands of one of them. And someone with a much lower bounty will be pulling the trigger.

That is not always the case, and Luffy sometimes always either gets lucky during his fights like with Enel, or has to be paired up or saved like with Cracker.

Crocodile was taken out by someone weaker, Enel was, Vergo was, Doflamingo was, so it's not weird to think that a bad power match-up can cause a problem for Katakuri.

Funny thing is that most of these people you mentioned was taken out by Luffy, the Main protagonist, so it was a given that they needed to be taken out one way or another but even then, he was not even victorious by himself.

He got lucky with Enel, he received buttload of help with Doflamingo, and Crocodile pretty much punked him 2 times.

Ace> Blackbeard
Usopp> Franky
Robin at Enies Lobby> Sanji all pre-skip
Usopp> Blackbeard

All confirmed

Funny that you used Usopp in 2 of your examples when we as readers already know that Usopp is a spineless weakling that only got a huge bounty because of what he did to Enies Lobby, so using him doesn't work nor does it make any sense since we already know how strong BB is without having to see his bounty.

It's called portrayal mate and obviously certain characters are set up to look stronger than others, which is why bounty exists in the first place.