Kamui vs. Yata Mirror

Romy9

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Hey guys. I was inspired to make this topic by the debate I had with Darth Uchiha in one of the topics about Kamui. I don't intend to raise the hype or downplay either subject on the matter.

Both subjects are described as being invincible or haxxed and yet we've never gotten the official answer as to which one prevails if they clash. Kamui is said to have no defense against it and that it can distort and draw any target in. Yata mirrors is said to defend against any attack and apply its attributes of that attack rendering it useless.

A lot of people disregard the word "attack". Simple Google defines this word as:

Verb
1.
take aggressive military action against (a place or enemy forces) with weapons or armed force.
"in February the Germans attacked Verdun"
synonyms: begin an assault, charge, pounce, strike, begin hostilities, ambush

2.
criticize or oppose fiercely and publicly.
"he attacked the government's defence policy"
synonyms: criticize, censure, condemn, castigate, chastise, lambaste, pillory, savage, find fault with, fulminate against, abuse;

Noun
1.
an aggressive and violent act against a person or place.
"he was killed in an attack on a checkpoint"
synonyms: assault, onslaught, offensive, strike, blitz, raid, sortie, sally, storming, charge, rush, drive, push, thrust, invasion, incursion, inroad;
destructive action by a disease, chemical, or insect.
"the tissue is open to attack by fungus"
a determined attempt to tackle a problem or task.
"an attack on inflation"
forceful and decisive style in performing music or another art.
"the sheer attack of Hendrix's playing"

2.
an instance of fierce public criticism or opposition.
"he launched a stinging attack on the Prime Minister"
synonyms: criticism, censure, rebuke, admonition, admonishment, reprimand, reproval;


Now, a lot of people don't consider Kamui an attack because it doesn't have any conventional effect. Note the Noun section and see the synonyms to this word. I already said it in another topic but "invasion" fits quite nicely in this scenario. Kamui invades another space by distorting it and altering it. The best argument here to oppose that would be the fact that Kamui doesn't attack any object. No, you're right, it doesn't. But, it attacks space and in that space, any object is a part of it. Which means that Yata can adapt its attributes to Kamui's process just as well as any other conventional attack.

In another words, Yata can repel Kamui by simple deduction of the official description's words used here. This thread isn't for bashing or downplaying. Just thought I'd put this here as just another point of view since at the end of the day, we don't have any facts regarding the conclusion about this debate.
 

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yes Yata Mirror takes it imo becoz
I know. Simply amazing, right?!

First, let's take a look at the definition of neutralize.

Neutralize definition:
neutralize
ˈnjuːtrəlʌɪz/Submit
verb
make (something) ineffective by applying an opposite force or effect.
"impatience at his frailty began to neutralize her fear"
synonyms: counteract, offset, counterbalance, balance (out), counterpoise, countervail, compensate for, make up for; More
make (an acidic or alkaline substance) chemically neutral.
"splashes on skin should be neutralized immediately"
disarm (a bomb or similar weapon).
"120 bombs were neutralized"
"Make something ineffective." Now, what has those properties? That's right! The Yata Mirror!
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The Yata Mirror renders any attack ineffective. Now, let's take a look at that definition!

Ineffective definition:
ineffective
ɪnɪˈfɛktɪv/Submit
adjective
not producing any significant or desired effect.
"the legal sanctions against oil spills are virtually ineffective"
synonyms: unsuccessful, non-successful, unproductive, fruitless, profitless, unprofitable, abortive, failed, futile, purposeless, worthless, useless, ineffectual, inefficient, inefficacious, inadequate, vain, unavailing, to no effect; More

Now, you might say that Omnyoudon is the neutralizer. You would only be partially correct. Omnyoudon only neutralizes Ninjutsu, but any Ninjutsu enforced with Senjutsu is unable to be neutralized.
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The Yata Mirror however can render anything ineffective. In other words; neutralize ANYTHING, even when in the face of A GOD'S POWER.
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Kamui does not work. Kamui's most notable feat is intangibility, or being intangible.

Intangible definition:
intangible
intangible
ɪnˈtan(d)ʒɪb(ə)l/Submit
adjective
1.
unable to be touched; not having physical presence.
"the moonlight made things seem intangible"
synonyms: impalpable, untouchable, imperceptible to the touch, non-physical, bodiless, incorporeal, unembodied, disembodied, abstract, invisible; More
antonyms: tangible
difficult or impossible to define or understand; vague and abstract.
"the rose symbolized something intangible about their relationship"
synonyms: indefinable, indescribable, inexpressible, nameless; More
(of an asset or benefit) not constituting or represented by a physical object and of a value not precisely measurable.
"intangible business property like patents"
noun
noun: intangible; plural noun: intangibles
1.
an intangible thing.
"intangibles like self-confidence and responsibility"

Astral definition:
astral
ˈastr(ə)l/Submit
adjective
relating to or resembling the stars.
"astral navigation"
relating to a supposed non-physical realm of existence to which various psychic and paranormal phenomena are ascribed, and in which the physical human body is said to have a counterpart.
"spiritual beings from the astral plane"

Astral things DO NOT work on the Yata Mirror. Kamui is an astral Jutsu. Yata neutralizes Kamui.

Thanks! :cool:
 

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No, yata could probably take down a lot of things but not kaumi. Even kaguya could not stop kaumi. Space/time attacks are like nothing else.
 

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If you are speaking of long range Kamui, the portal opens where the user is focusing, thus it would open inside the Susano'o without interacting with the mirror at all.
If you are speaking of short range Kamui, intangibilty would most likely be blocked by the mirror, but distorting has nothing to do with that.
 

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Blazin soloing with da quote
 

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If you are speaking of long range Kamui, the portal opens where the user is focusing, thus it would open inside the Susano'o without interacting with the mirror at all.
If you are speaking of short range Kamui, intangibilty would most likely be blocked by the mirror, but distorting has nothing to do with that.

It's questionable whether Kamui could work through the mirror if it's focused on a point through the mirror. Another take that has many speculations.
 

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Kamui bypasses Yata, Susanoo etc U_U

 

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Agree but dont always belive in hype.
thy say no one can dodge amaterasu but we know raikage dodge it
For raikiri they say it can cut through anything but it cant.
Madara say a slash from susanoo can destroy anuthing but shinsuusenju tank more than 10 of them
There are many more examples
Logic say Kamui can warp Yata Mirror
 

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Yata mirror is a defense. There is no defense against kamui.
 

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A lot of people didn't really read the whole thing or they don't understand the elaboration.
 

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The Yata mirror isn't an inter-dimensional shield.

The way I look at Yata mirror is like this.. It a box! If Kamui allow the user/attack disappear and reappear into a box without touching the wall, that box is not inter-dimensional for sure. Because Kamui allowing the user/attack to reappear inside a box without touching the wall. Now if the space inside of the box is cover with the chakra of the yata mirror, then kamui will teleport the user/attack inside the box, but that user/attack won't be able to move and it most likely that the user/attack that teleported inside of the box will explode due to the Chakra vibrating because it will try to deflect the person/attack out of the box.

The yata mirror might be a multi-dimensional shield since it will block any person/attack that try to "penetrate it directly" no matter what dimensional attack it is. Madara's limbo clones for example.
 

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I read it , and all I see is itachi fans taking prime hiruzen jutsu Lol but really he ignored the fact that "no defense is possible against kamui"

You ignored Yata's description and failed to understand the elaboration of those words. You just have to give it a chance before blindly believing the hype. Kamui is awesome and it is invincible, until you decipher simple words of Yata's description.

The Yata mirror isn't an inter-dimensional shield.

The way I look at Yata mirror is like this.. It a box! If Kamui allow the user/attack disappear and reappear into a box without touching the wall, that box is not inter-dimensional for sure. Because Kamui allowing the user/attack to reappear inside a box without touching the wall. Now if the space inside of the box is cover with the chakra of the yata mirror, then kamui will teleport the user/attack inside the box, but that user/attack won't be able to move and it most likely that the user/attack that teleported inside of the box will explode due to the Chakra vibrating because it will try to deflect the person/attack out of the box.

The yata mirror might be a multi-dimensional shield since it will block any person/attack that try to "penetrate it directly" no matter what dimensional attack it is. Madara's limbo clones for example.

Yes, I agree. But Kamui has to alter space upon its execution and that means in another words that it attacked space to alter it. Which means altering space where Yata is allows it to change the attributes to match Kamui's mechanics.
 
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