This has nothing to do with Kamui .he just opened an hole in Susano to let sakura in .all susano user should be able to do that .when gara pulled madara with sand,madara opened a a hole in susano to let himself out .
And I am not saying Kakashi would make his PS intangible ,I am saying he could warp it(the whole thing) away with kamui shurukins.
What do you think?
Obito didn't absorb any six path chakra from madara, he only stole his
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from him to create a truth seeking orb (which later ran out). On top of that Obito can't transfer Sage Mode chakra to non Sage Mode users like Kakashi so that little Six path reserves of chakra is Tobi/Obito's original own chakra.
If senjutsu chakra can be transfer like that to Kakashi then no doubt Kakashi would've been able to warp Susano'o and last longer than like 5 minutes.
I know that Kakashi with Kurama's chakra was able to warp a whole biju from what we know.
salamander uchiha says he can do it though so maybe he can warp the whole thing one time. Maybe
A little helpful advice. A full Ten tails>PS in size.
This isn't a debate whether DMS Kakashi w/his and obito's chakra can warp PS sized object or not .he has already warped 4 PS sized objects simultaneously without any strain .fact.
JJ Madara's senjutsu is made of Jiubi chakra .it is rikudo senjutsu chakra .that what Obito stole and nothing shows that he ran out of it .Obito prior to being JJ hadn't any six path chakra which requires both ashura and Indra chakra merging while Obito has got only his regular uchiha chakra(not Indra's) and hashirama cells which may contained ashura chakra but he still doesnot match the criteria .
Yes I know Juubi is bigger than kakashi's PS .I even said it dwarfs PS since it is about the same size of bijus.
Side note: 1 MS Kakashi with just 3x his original chakra warped the Hachibi twice and with kuarma cloak he was going to warp the whole Jiubi (which is much bigger than PS) .
As for Kamui Shrukiens's warping range .the single shrukien is about the same size of Susano's head yet it was dwarfed by the wrist of the rabbit's arm before opening a barrier big enough to warp the whole wrist and more .in the
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you can see that the warping range of single is about the same size of PS with extended wings .if the wings isn't extended ,PS would definitely fit in the warping range of Kamui shrukien.it is also about how much chakra he uses .he can make its warping range smaller or bigger if he needs it to be .
This isn't a debate whether DMS Kakashi w/his and obito's chakra can warp PS sized object or not .he has already warped 4 PS sized objects simultaneously without any strain .fact.
No, it's not a fact because those kamui shuriken holes are smaller than Perfect Susano'o whether you like it or not. Everyone else in this forum knows that.
Also Kakashi did not use his chakra at all because six path kamui chakra is just obito's chakra not Kakashi's, ano since he's entered kaguya's dimensions he barely had any chakra left. So Kakashi was working with a small quantity amount of chakra that he got from his friend. That's why PS cannot warp as a whole as easily as you think.
JJ Madara's senjutsu is made of Jiubi chakra .it is rikudo senjutsu chakra .that what Obito stole and nothing shows that he ran out of it .Obito prior to being JJ hadn't any six path chakra which requires both ashura and Indra chakra merging while Obito has got only his regular uchiha chakra(not Indra's) and hashirama cells which may contained ashura chakra but he still doesnot match the criteria
You digress. The senjutsu chakra he stole cannot be transfer to Kakashi because Kakashi is not a senjutsu user, so again JJ madara's chakra had nothing to do with it. He didn't even steal his chakra at all, only his senjutsu. And it was painfully obvious that he didn't have JJ Madara's senjutsu chakra after he specifically said he need an
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to enter into Kaguya's dimensions. Rsm offered to give him some chakra but Obito said that it wasn't enough so Sakura's 100 healing was good enough for the bare minimum:
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So It's obviously well known that Obito didn't have any of JJ Madara's senjutsu in his body anymore as the manga shows and he showed no ability to utilize truth seeking orbs either.
Another thing that you're wrong about again is about Six path power requirements.
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, but to awaken the rinnegan is what requires both Indra and Ashura's chakra specifically to obtain the rinnegan for the transmigrants only. Just so you know Indra's power is Uchiha power and Ashura's power is senju power also. You can awaken six path powers without gaining to rinnegan like Obito did. The transmigrants are the ones with the rinnegan potential. Kakashi already confirmed that Obito's ocular kamui powers had Six path powers in them.
Yes I know Juubi is bigger than kakashi's PS .I even said it dwarfs PS since it is about the same size of bijus.
Side note: 1 MS Kakashi with just 3x his original chakra warped the Hachibi twice and with kuarma cloak he was going to warp the whole Jiubi (which is much bigger than PS)
Kakashi never attempted to warp a whole jubi. It's too big for him.
As for Kamui Shrukiens's warping range .the single shrukien is about the same size of Susano's head yet it was dwarfed by the wrist of the rabbit's arm before opening a barrier big enough to warp the whole wrist and more .in the
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you can see that the warping range of single is about the same size of PS with extended wings .if the wings isn't extended ,PS would definitely fit in the warping range of Kamui shrukien.it is also about how much chakra he uses .he can make its warping range smaller or bigger if he needs it to be .
Those warp portals look way smaller than PS in size, I have no idea on what you're talking about. That thing only sucked in the middle part of the forarm of Kaguya's rabbit form the rest of the arm was distorted
You digress. The senjutsu chakra he stole cannot be transfer to Kakashi because Kakashi is not a senjutsu user, so again JJ madara's chakra had nothing to do with it. He didn't even steal his chakra at all, only his senjutsu. And it was painfully obvious that he didn't have JJ Madara's senjutsu chakra after he specifically said he need an
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to enter into Kaguya's dimensions. Rsm offered to give him some chakra but Obito said that it wasn't enough so Sakura's 100 healing was good enough for the bare minimum:
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So It's obviously well known that Obito didn't have any of JJ Madara's senjutsu in his body anymore as the manga shows and he showed no ability to utilize truth seeking orbs either.
Another thing that you're wrong about again is about Six path power requirements.
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, but to awaken the rinnegan is what requires both Indra and Ashura's chakra specifically to obtain the rinnegan for the transmigrants only. Just so you know Indra's power is Uchiha power and Ashura's power is senju power also. You can awaken six path powers without gaining to rinnegan like Obito did. The transmigrants are the ones with the rinnegan potential. Kakashi already confirmed that Obito's ocular kamui powers had Six path powers in them.
-Sage Mode enables its user to (1) sense NE (2) gather it (3) balance it with his chakra to (4) produce senjutsu chakra which is basically more potent chakra .
This is exactly what it means to be a Sage Mode user and that is exactly the steps to learn how to be one .
Non-SM users can't sense or gather NE and if ,with some how, NE entered their system they wouldn't be able to balance it and they would turn into stone .unbalanced NE is what turns Non-SM users into stone not balanced Senjutsu chakra ,that is why Naruto ,after learning how to sense and gather NE and before mastering how to balance it with his chakra, was exposed to turn into stone and he would have but for Pa who was striking Naruto with his special stick to disturb the gathered NE out of Naruto's body every time he started transforming into stone ,that is why Preta Path was absorbing Jiraya and Naruto's Senjutsu attacks just fine but turned to stone once he tried to absorb the chakra from Naruto who was gathering NE ,because he absorbed from Naruto the unbalanced NE he was gathering then. That is why Madara ,who isn't SM user, absorbed Hashirama's senjutsu chakra just fine .
Any one can handle balanced senjutsu chakra just like any chakra with no problem but only people who have learned SM can balance NE with their chakra without ending up turning into a stone.
-as explained Obito can give Kakashi the six paths senjutsu chakra he stole from Madara and you can't be sure about Obito consuming the whole six paths senjutsu chakra since this was never stated or implied to in the Manga and he was consuming Sakura's chakra not his as far as we know.
-Konan said "six paths power" and she was referring to Izanagi which requires Uchiha and Senju chakra ,does Danzu have six paths chakra now !!?.
Kakashi never attempted to warp a whole jubi. It's too big for him.
-Here Kakashi warped the whole Hachibi twice in and out .
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-Here kakashi stated that he had at least 3x his original chakra when he achieved this feat.
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-Here Kakashi got Kuarma cloak for the first and only time and stated that it is much more than before(I.e. the chakra he had when he warped the Hachibi).
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-and Here Kakashi said he would make the Jiubi vanish .
No, it's not a fact because those kamui shuriken holes are smaller than Perfect Susano'o whether you like it or not. Everyone else in this forum knows that.
Also Kakashi did not use his chakra at all because six path kamui chakra is just obito's chakra not Kakashi's, ano since he's entered kaguya's dimensions he barely had any chakra left. So Kakashi was working with a small quantity amount of chakra that he got from his friend. That's why PS cannot warp as a whole as easily as you think.
Those warp portals look way smaller than PS in size, I have no idea on what you're talking about. That thing only sucked in the middle part of the forarm of Kaguya's rabbit form the rest of the arm was distorted
-this is a closer edited scan ,the green circle is Kakashi's PS with its wings extended ,the blue circle is how PS would be with closed wings and the red circles are the warping range of each Kamui shurukin as you can see the single Kamui Shurukin has warping range comparable(close)to the size of PS , if PS closed its extended wings and Kakashi added a little more Kamui chakra to the Shurukin ,PS could be warped with single Kamui Shurukin just fine.
The red circles should be a little smaller but they would still be around the blue one .
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the black orb is the centre of the barrier that every thing inside the barrier gets dragged to .if the range of the warping had been just the black orb you referred to ,then kamui shrukien would have just made an hole in the wrists without actually ripping it off .the fact that the warping ripped these arms off is a proof that the warping range includes the distortion which was bigger than the wrist which dwarfs the shrukiens which are almost as big as susano's head .
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-Sage Mode enables its user to (1) sense NE (2) gather it (3) balance it with his chakra to (4) produce senjutsu chakra which is basically more potent chakra .
This is exactly what it means to be a Sage Mode user and that is exactly the steps to learn how to be one .
Non-SM users can't sense or gather NE and if ,with some how, NE entered their system they wouldn't be able to balance it and they would turn into stone .unbalanced NE is what turns Non-SM users into stone not balanced Senjutsu chakra ,that is why Naruto ,after learning how to sense and gather NE and before mastering how to balance it with his chakra, was exposed to turn into stone and he would have but for Pa who was striking Naruto with his special stick to disturb the gathered NE out of Naruto's body every time he started transforming into stone ,that is why Preta Path was absorbing Jiraya and Naruto's Senjutsu attacks just fine but turned to stone once he tried to absorb the chakra from Naruto who was gathering NE ,because he absorbed from Naruto the unbalanced NE he was gathering then. That is why Madara ,who isn't SM user, absorbed Hashirama's senjutsu chakra just fine .
Any one can handle balanced senjutsu chakra just like any chakra with no problem but only people who have learned SM can balance NE with their chakra without ending up turning into a stone.
Madara was able to use senjutsu chakra thanks to the Hashirama tissue that was implanted in his body, same concept on why Dsm Kabuto was able to use Orochimaru/Jugo's senjutsu because it was implanted in their body and Sasuke's Susano'o senjutsu too.
Kakashi on the other hand does not have the ability to use any senjutsu chakra nor has he ever implanted a senjutsu users in his body to enable him to do so.
To think he otherwise is just pure fanfic and desperate talk just because you have a hard time believing that Obito has six path chakra.
-as explained Obito can give Kakashi the six paths senjutsu chakra he stole from Madara and you can't be sure about Obito consuming the whole six paths senjutsu chakra since this was never stated or implied to in the Manga and he was consuming Sakura's chakra not his as far as we know.
Wrong! Kakashi does not have the power to use senjutsu, and you're dumb for thinking he can.
Also Obito was consuming
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as soon as they saved Sasuke. So there is no senjutsu from anybody and the manga never said that their was senjutsu chakra being used. It's just your fanfic. He gave all the senjutsu power and biju power to revive Naruto.
-Konan said "six paths power" and she was referring to Izanagi which requires Uchiha and Senju chakra ,does Danzu have six paths chakra now !!?.
1. She was not referring to Izanagi because she didn't even know what Izanagi is in the first place.
2. Konan said that "
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" so I don't know you are unable to read that simple two line sentence.
3. Claiming that she was referring to izanagi as a six path power is saying that Tobi/Obito has six path powers because he is able to use it.
4. Danzo does not have the blood and power of the Sage. he used a incomplete izanagi so clearly he does not have six path powers
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5. Kakashi confirmed that Obito's chakra is Six path chakra
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6. Senjutsu chakra cannot affect the eyes either and Obito gave Kakashi his chakra not senjutsu chakra (which he doesn't have).
-Here Kakashi warped the whole Hachibi twice in and out .
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-Here kakashi stated that he had at least 3x his original chakra when he achieved this feat.
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-Here Kakashi got Kuarma cloak for the first and only time and stated that it is much more than before(I.e. the chakra he had when he warped the Hachibi).
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-and Here Kakashi said he would make the Jiubi vanish
A lot of these are not only unnecessary but these things are bad translations. This one would be easy because because as far as the manga goes, Kakashi did not attempt to warp the whole jubi. Saying to do something is one thing but doing it is actually another.
He just said that he was going to wipe out the jubi not make the whole thing vanish
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-this is a closer edited scan ,the green cycle is Kakashi's PS with its wings extended and the red cycles are the warping range of each Kamui shurukin as you can see the single Kamui Shurukin has warping range comparable(close)to the size of PS , if PS closed its extended wings and Kakashi added a little more Kamui chakra to the Shurukin ,PS could be warped with single Kamui Shurukin just fine.
the black orb is the centre of the barrier that every thing inside the barrier gets dragged to .if the range of the warping had been just the black orb you referred to ,then kamui shrukien would have just made an hole in the wrists without actually ripping it off .the fact that the warping ripped these arms off is a proof that the warping range includes the distortion which was bigger than the wrist which dwarfs the shrukiens which are almost as big as susano's head .
and here is more obvious scan.
That black hole in the middle did actually rip off the Jubi's arms and if Kakashi was to enter that hole his Susano'o would be ripped apart. Read the databook on that information. It said that it actually wrenches it off.
You can stop replying here if you want but a lot of things you said here are your misconceptions, headcanon, and picture perspectives that you are not able to see for some reason. So if you want to disregard the manga then that's you, I'll just stick to Kishi's facts.
You're out here giving people impossible feats and I'm a kakashi fan that knows what he's capable of doing and what he's not capable of doing.
I don’t see why it couldn’t. The deal here would be chakra usage. Realistically speaking with all the ms drawbacks and none of the rikudo boost it would be a last resort type of thing, at least imo
