Kamui Madara vs DMS Kakashi

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Madara cannot win this...

Kakashi simply use Ps to overwhelm Madara and chop his face into pieces therefore his Kamui eye is done for as well once that happens Kamui shurikens to the body and Madara's gone for ever... Limbo = Non-factor seeing as this Madara can only create 1 not to mention a stronger Madara Limbo was countered by clones so how in the world could 1 Limbo stop a Haggy buffed Ps...​

Madara has the strongest PS.

Sasuke with portions of bijuu chakra and rikidou chakra had a PS superior to 4 individual BM avatars
Madara has 8 full bijuu and half kurama + both parts of rikidou chakra (rinnegan and six paths senjutsu) + Juubi chakra and you think Kakashi has a superior PS? get real.

kamui shiruken are intercepted by yasaka magntama

Limbo= Equal Power to Madara which includes his entire arsenal on the same exact level except its presence is invisble and he has kamui also.

read the manga son
 

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Kakashi wins this by feats.
 

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Kakashi wins this by feats.

youre wrong U_U

- Kamui shiruken countered by yaska magntama
- PS counter by a stronger Bijuu/Senjutsu/Juubi/rikidou enhanced PS
- kamui snipe countered by a kamui snipe

kakashi's Double MS mode lasts what 5 minutes? worst case scenario madara outlasts
 

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youre wrong U_U

- Kamui shiruken countered by yaska magntama
- PS counter by a stronger Bijuu/Senjutsu/Juubi/rikidou enhanced PS

- kamui snipe countered by a kamui snipe

kakashi's Double MS mode lasts what 5 minutes? worst case scenario madara outlasts

I said he wins by feats Lol @Bold Juubi Madz never used Susano so it's not included with his feats U_U
 

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I said he wins by feats Lol @Bold Juubi Madz never used Susano so it's not included with his feats U_U

so you're implying that he can't use susanoo?

By feats and intel Madara flies around tiredless for 5 mins straight dodging everything kakashi throws until kakashi runs out of his rikidou boost
 

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I'm glad there is someone as logical as you to keep logic flowing through threads.

Thank you truly

The power of the juubi is what pre jinch Hagoromoo and Haruma go all out.
No problemo brah, likewise and agreed xD

This fight is very clear, especially since Madara has Kamui. Any body part that gets kamuied can probably be regrown or the kamui itself maybe negated (obito negated Kakashi when the latter tried to kamui gedos mazos head). Yes even with 1 transplanted ms eye, it should be enough because it's being powered by the juubi.

Juubi/juubis jin are underrated af in this forum damn!
 

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No U_U I'm saying Kakashi wins by feats since Madz never used Susano.

Madara with Susano would win though.

madara did use susanoo many of times before he was a jin, he wouldnt be stripped of that ability as a jin, in fact it would be gradually increased by the power of the chakra he obtained. kakashi gets shitted on
 

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I'm done arguing with..variants boss. Juubi jins aren't immortal yet he claims they are.
Claims that absorbing the tree gave him immortality without proof. Despite Harogomo who had both still died.
Claims that obito has long range kamui.
Claims that bijuu are more durable that rikudo enhanced ps.
Claims that clones can use tsb orbs despite no clone ever showing that feat.
I can go on 4 days.
 

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He landed a hit on Kaguya with kamui rakiriki due to his ability to phase through things. Going intangible really isn't an option here since Madara can just warp a limbo clone into the kamui dimension so the moment Kakashi goes intangible, the clone kills him from the other side. Kakashi is not at all landing a hit on Madara with his PS when his sensing and reflexes allow him to dodge any of his attacks with ease.

Kamui shurikens warp whatever they come into contact with. Madara can just intercept the shurikens with Yasaka Magatama or TSB or guard against them with an Omnyoudon shield, or even just prepare the juubidama in the kamui dimension then warp them back at Kakashi.

It's not up to debate whether he can use PS or not. He can obviously use ninjutsu when he was a juubi jin (he used kamui when Juubito couldn't) so that means that after absorbing the Shinju juubi jins can use ninjutsu.

Him being intangible had nothing to do with it since intangibility only helps him dodge. Not attack. Kaguya being a being capable of flight, creating portals and dimensional shifting means she had literally infinite directions in which to dodge kakashi's strike. Yet she couldn't. It's funny how ppl don't questions it when naruto does the same to her.

As for madara warping a limbo clone as I already explained to VariaBossX kakashi can just cancel it, stopping him from even getting the clone there, and the added fact that limbo clones have to return to the user after a set time.

The warp range/barrier of kamui Shuriken is ps sized so unless madara is a great distance away from them he runs the risk of still getting caught. Not to mention the notion that they warp whatever they come in contact with is baseless since they're always in contact with air yet didn't begin to warp air(fiestate thing in contact with) the moment it left the ps hands. Is more accurate to say it begins the warp after meeting a sufficient apposing force. Yaksha Matanagma are far to small to stop them thus should get plowed through. If he uses tsb they get stuck in kamuiland becoming useless since it's outside his control. Same goes for onmuden shield.

Idk bout ps still.
 

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BenjerminGaye pretty much summed it. Kakashi low diffs.
 

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Kakahi has rikidou chakra, he can feel the presence of limbo
i agree
of course

Madara low diffs

Kakashi's not a sensor, only rikudou senjustu can sense limbo and rinnegan can see them.

Madara's limbo literally one shots

Rikudou senjustu=/=Rikudou chakra
 

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-Limbo > Kamui, as Kakashi has no way to perceive it. Only Rikudou's Senjutsu and Rinnegan can perceive Limbo.
-Madara's Susanoo > (2^15) Kakashi's Susanoo, as Madara has the full Chakra of Rikudou and Juubi's Chakra. Kakashi only has portion of Madara's Chakra.
-Yasaka Magatama > Kamui-Shurikens.
-Gududama > Kamui-Raikiri.

As much as I love Kakashi, Madara punks his ass.
 

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Him being intangible had nothing to do with it since intangibility only helps him dodge. Not attack. Kaguya being a being capable of flight, creating portals and dimensional shifting means she had literally infinite directions in which to dodge kakashi's strike. Yet she couldn't. It's funny how ppl don't questions it when naruto does the same to her.

Him being intangible had everything to do with it, if he couldn't go intangible he would be killed by her ash bone. Madara can replace an ash bone with a TSB. You need to seriously rethink your stance if you're saying Kakashi outright blitzed Kaguya.

As for madara warping a limbo clone as I already explained to VariaBossX kakashi can just cancel it, stopping him from even getting the clone there, and the added fact that limbo clones have to return to the user after a set time.

Kakashi cannot cancel it, all madara needs to do is block his line of sight (with either susano'o or omnyoudon) and then warp the clone. You do realize this applies to both of them, madara can negate kakashi's kamui the same way

The warp range/barrier of kamui Shuriken is ps sized so unless madara is a great distance away from them he runs the risk of still getting caught. Not to mention the notion that they warp whatever they come in contact with is baseless since they're always in contact with air yet didn't begin to warp air(fiestate thing in contact with) the moment it left the ps hands. Is more accurate to say it begins the warp after meeting a sufficient apposing force. Yaksha Matanagma are far to small to stop them thus should get plowed through. If he uses tsb they get stuck in kamuiland becoming useless since it's outside his control. Same goes for onmuden shield.

Madara is never getting hit with kamui shurikens, his speed and sensing and relexes that come with being a juubi jin as well as hashirama's sage mode laugh at their speed, he easily intercepts with yasaka magatama

@bold, are you serious? Please tell me you're joking...kamui shurikens would warp the magatamas, not tear through them...using air resistance as a counter argument is baseless and grasping at straws, obviously kishi didnt make them do that since there would be no point to the technique...

Idk bout ps still.

madara can use it
 

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Kakashi's not a sensor, only rikudou senjustu can sense limbo and rinnegan can see them.

Madara's limbo literally one shots

Rikudou senjustu=/=Rikudou chakra

that makes sense.
 

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Him being intangible had everything to do with it, if he couldn't go intangible he would be killed by her ash bone. Madara can replace an ash bone with a TSB. You need to seriously rethink your stance if you're saying Kakashi outright blitzed Kaguya.
his intangibility gave him the ability to pass through the ash bone but, it dosen't make kakashi in any way shape or form faster. Given all the methods she had to dodge, which she's used Multiple times the only logical conclusion is that it was a outright blitz.



Kakashi cannot cancel it, all madara needs to do is block his line of sight (with either susano'o or omnyoudon) and then warp the clone. You do realize this applies to both of them, madara can negate kakashi's kamui the same way
madara's susanno can't stop kamui, and onmyoudon gets poped open with kamui. It doesn't apply to Kakashi due to the fact that madara has kakashi's kamui eye. The only one that showed the ability to cancel kamui was obito's kamui eye. Not to mention the double speed of Kamui makes it too fast to be canceled.



Madara is never getting hit with kamui shurikens, his speed and sensing and relexes that come with being a juubi jin as well as hashirama's sage mode laugh at their speed, he easily intercepts with yasaka magatama
the kamui shurikens were able to intercept the kaguya's chakra arms, somthing naruto who has equal if not superior sensing to Madara considered fast, heck naruto couldn't even dodge it properly and had to rely on a clone to get him and sasuke out the way. Not to mention how big the warp barrier is compared to the shurikens. If he's within ps distance to a kamui Shuriken that goes off he's getting caught.

@bold, are you serious? Please tell me you're joking...kamui shurikens would warp the magatamas, not tear through them...using air resistance as a counter argument is baseless and grasping at straws, obviously kishi didnt make them do that since there would be no point to the technique...
So u acknowledge the fact that they don't warp the first thing they come in contact with. Since not only u but apparently "kishi" realized how stupid that sounds. Hence me correcting you and saying "something of significant apposing force" whether Yasaka Matanagma fit the bill is debatable but I'm glad we cleared that up.



madara can use it
idk not too sure. It would have came in handy against a whole bunch of ppl.
 

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the kamui shurikens were able to intercept the kaguya's chakra arms

Lol. In what universe is hitting a stationary target equal to intercepting it?
 
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