Kamui Madara vs DMS Kakashi

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Kakashi still wins... Ps rips Madara to shreads... Once Madara body is splattered all over the BF Kakashi Kamui him...

Scene 2- Kakashi negs diff...
 

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No it's deluded. Since you already did it to yourself it's past tense.

Any logical person knows that there is nothing Kakashi can do to harm Madara.
ps rips him apart. Heck raikiri can cut him in half.

Giving him MS would just be handing over kakashi's body to Madara.
No seeing as how kakashi has both eyes thus can cancel madara's kamui. It makes madara having that eye pointless and demotes him to 1 rinne madara.

No matter how many senerio you conjure up in your head, Madara can send a limbo clone or Gudodama into dimensions
1)Double ms already proved to be faster than goudama movements
2) putting goudama in the kamuiland makes it useless since it's a dimension apart from its user (range limit is 70m or 70ft)
3) putting limbo in kamui land is useless since after a set time they'd have to return to the real world but can't since they don't have the ability to use kamui.

Really and truly this is dms kakashi vs 1 rinne mads. His other eye doesn't help him in any way shape or form.



As soon as Madara decides to fight in the real world, any type of phasing Kakashi uses to evade will surely be a neg diff overkill Kakashi.
if he decides to fight kakashi he gets blitzed like the superior kaguya did. He can't send a limbo clone to kamui land without it getting canceled, and even if he does after time passes it's useless there.

So if you really know the truth...

Kakashi should be the least thing that comes to mind in this match up

I do and I explained above. Madara isn't beating him.
 

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No it's deluded. Since you already did it to yourself it's past tense.

That wasn't a correction, I kept that specific word in pounds because you call a logical seeker...

Deluded.

I should of bold it instead

ps rips him apart. Heck raikiri can cut him in half.

You mean like it did Kaguya?

So which part of immortal didn't you understand?

His raikiri couldn't even split Kaguya in half, so sure as hell not Madara.

Invisible limbo clones will pound Susanoo like no tomorrow, just one was able to ko all nine bijuus, anymore than that will spell death for someone like Kakashi.

No seeing as how kakashi has both eyes thus can cancel madara's kamui. It makes madara having that eye pointless and demotes him to 1 rinne madara.

Keep the fan fic in a different section, there is no such thing as canceling kamui it's never been done before.

Fake eyes don't get such hype anyway, Madara has Obito's real physical eyes...

The only thing Kakashi got was a reflection of Obito's chakra in his eyes.

1)Double ms already proved to be faster than goudama movements
2) putting goudama in the kamuiland makes it useless since it's a dimension apart from its user (range limit is 70m or 70ft)
3) putting limbo in kamui land is useless since after a set time they'd have to return to the real world but can't since they don't have the ability to use kamui.

Limbo clone attached to a Gudodama will eradicate kamui dimension leaving Kakashi's body into meat sack.

All Madara has to do is attack Kakashi while sending his clone in dimensions


Really and truly this is dms kakashi vs 1 rinne mads. His other eye doesn't help him in any way shape or form.

*deluded*

if he decides to fight kakashi he gets blitzed like the superior kaguya did. He can't send a limbo clone to kamui land without it getting canceled, and even if he does after time passes it's useless there.

Kakashi never blitzed Kaguya, only some as fast as Sasuke did twice.

(Free falling from the sky is not blitzing, unless your saying Sakura blitzed Kaguya too?)

1) first time he substituted with a clone

2) second time he stopped to snatch kakashi's eyes

Madara moves instantaneously like a ftg user, even the databook compared naruto's instant reflexes to Madara's instant speed.


I do and I explained above. Madara isn't beating him.

Madara eats him alive...

Limbo clones are invisible to those except for rinnegan users and rikudou senjustu users.

Kakashi has neither of those, his head will be ripped clean before he can even blink.

Going into dimensions will give him a chance to blow his body to bits with a limbo clone attached with a Gudodama.
 

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Juubi jin Madara's susanoo > Kakashi Limbo shits kamui is countered with Madara's own kamui

not sure about this madara being capable of using his ownn susanoo,
and Limbo is non factor in front of PS
 

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That wasn't a correction, I kept that specific word in pounds because you call a logical seeker...

Deluded.
I am. It's perfectly logical who kakashi takes this

I should of bold it instead
whatever man



You mean like it did Kaguya?
He was aiming to cut off her options. Not to kill. Why else would he sever her arm instead of stabbing her heart?

So which part of immortal didn't you understand?
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So much for immortality. ...

His raikiri couldn't even split Kaguya in half, so sure as hell not Madara
a) kaguya is more durable than madara
b) kakashi wasn't aiming to kill.

Invisible limbo clones
Clone. It's only 1.
will pound Susanoo like no tomorrow, just one was able to ko all nine bijuus,
since when did biju have more durability than ps?
anymore than that will spell death for someone like Kakashi.
But it's not even touching kakashi. Basic taijutsu from limbo isn't getting past ps.



Keep the fan fic in a different section, there is no such thing as canceling kamui it's never been done before.
obito canceled kakashi's kamui on the gedo mazo and he canceled kakashi's kamui on v2 juubi

Fake eyes don't get such hype anyway, Madara has Obito's real physical eyes...
it's not hyep it's feats. He gets all of obito's ocular abilities as stated by obito and proven by kakashi. And the eye that madara has(long range) hasn't shown the ability to cancel kamui. Only short range has that feat. So yeah mads can't do it, take your fanfiction elsewhere.

The only thing Kakashi got was a reflection of Obito's chakra in his eyes.
and as such contains all of obito's ms abilities and then some.



Limbo clone attached to a Gudodama
since when could limbo clones use godudama? Are u dense? Once the godudama leaves the 70m range their useless.
will eradicate kamui dimension leaving Kakashi's body into meat sack.
since when was godudama a dimension buster? Last I checked that only applies to kaguya's godudama since it's a trillion times bigger than madara's (or anyone else's 4 that matter)

All Madara has to do is attack Kakashi while sending his clone in dimensions
please prove that his limbo CLONE(can't stress that enough it's only 1) cant funtion for extended periods of time in kamui land.




*deluded*
-explains how kakashi stops madara's kamui use.
-gives benefit of doubt and explains why madaras abilities are useless in kamui land
still calls me deluded.



Kakashi never blitzed Kaguya, only some as fast as Sasuke did twice.
yes he did. He shunshin'shunshin ' off 9 his susanno and struck her with raikiri. Her being a entity capable of flight means had the means and ability to get out of the way. Which she did whenever it came to sasuke, and it most cases naruto.
Naruto shunshin'd off the floor and ripped her arm off
kakashi shunshin'd off his susanno and ripped through her arm.
(Free falling from the sky is not blitzing, unless your saying Sakura blitzed Kaguya too?)
it would be a blitz if she wasn't distracted by naruto and sasuke. But seeing as how she was it's more along the lines of a sneak attack. It's not a sneak attack for kakashi since.
a) she attacks first
b) no distractions were present.

1) first time he substituted with a clone
that's how substitution jutsu works.

2) second time he stopped to snatch kakashi's eyes
Didn't kakashi manage to turn around? Despite being fatigued? That's a physical reaction. So much for "instant speed". Sasuke, naruto, Kaguya and Kakashi must have speeds faster that instant according to u.

Madara moves instantaneously like a ftg user, even the databook compared naruto's instant reflexes to Madara's instant speed.
I'm pretty sure the comparison was only between sage modes. I'll have to recheck that. In truth it doesn't matter. V1 kaguya is faster than madara, that was getting blitzed left and right by sasuke and Naruto. Only naruto managed to land hits on v1 kaguya. Kakashi's blitzes v2 kaguya.




Madara eats him alive...
cute.

Limbo clones
This is the third time I had to correct you. It's limbo CLONE
are invisible to those except for rinnegan users and rikudou senjustu users.
still can't touch kamui users when using intangibility, still can't get past ps.

Kakashi has neither of those, his head will be ripped clean before he can even blink.
fails to explain how it will get past ghost mode or ps.

Going into dimensions will give him a chance to blow his body to bits with a limbo clone attached with a Gudodama.
failed to explain how clones use godudama, fails to explain how godudama works an entire dimension away when it stops working 70 ft/m away.

Yeah. I'm done.
 
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I am. It's perfectly logical who kakashi takes this

whatever man

Because it's so logically that the immortal guy loses to someone with a five minute span of not even half his power?


He was aiming to cut off her options. Not to kill. Why else would he sever her arm instead of stabbing her heart?

Bad assumption with no proof, naruto did a good job in severing her arm.

Kakashi didn't, in fact it didn't do anything to her.

It like a needle pricked her

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So much for immortality. ...

Still alive isn't he?

On top of that he didn't absorb the shinjuu tree yet:





Completely immortal, that is what Kumai Madara is...

An immortal that can live even if his lower body is cut off completely

a) kaguya is more durable than madara
b) kakashi wasn't aiming to kill.

A) You don't know that
B) Your assumption

Clone. It's only 1.

That's all he needs anyway

since when did biju have more durability than ps?
But it's not even touching kakashi. Basic taijutsu from limbo isn't getting past ps.

One limbo clone simultaneously took out nine bijuus, does ps have the durability of nine bijuus?

Even one bijuus duribility>>>Perfect Susanoo

Bijuus are a huge mass of chakra into a physical form, a ps that gets destroyed by Kaguya's vacuum palm is not beating a bijuu.

Even a TSB will destroy PS or other various forms of omyoudon will erase it.

Lol at you comparing PS to the power of the juubi.

obito canceled kakashi's kamui on the gedo mazo and he canceled kakashi's kamui on v2 juubi

No he did not cancel anything, he negated it by sending his own.

Otherwise he would of negated kakashi's kamui from sending naruto into dimensions.

Regardless, that's Obito's feat and not kakashi's.

So whatever you believe it to be, Kakashi can't use it.

it's not hyep it's feats. He gets all of obito's ocular abilities as stated by obito and proven by kakashi. And the eye that madara has(long range) hasn't shown the ability to cancel kamui. Only short range has that feat. So yeah mads can't do it, take your fanfiction elsewhere.

Fanfic justification holds no service in my eyes.

If this fan fic were true then post a scan of Kakashi doing this (meaning not Obito)

Nowhere did the manga state he gets all of Obito's powers, he can't sync/hack into other dimensions or eject objects out from his eyes either.

Considering that the loudest speaker of Kakashi having Susanoo and not Obito, you should understand how this works.

So hope off the hype train or fanfic train

and as such contains all of obito's ms abilities and then some.

Lies and no proof of this being stated.

since when could limbo clones use godudama? Are u dense? Once the godudama leaves the 70m range their useless. since when was godudama a dimension buster? Last I checked that only applies to kaguya's godudama since it's a trillion times bigger than madara's (or anyone else's 4 that matter)

With this sentence here you have the balls to call me dense?

Are you really that senile?

You can stick gudodama's to whoever you want:

Example

1) Obito to Edo minato
2) Naruto to his shadow clone

None of this Kumai attack is more than 70m, unless you're telling me Sasuke used Amenote on sakura's ninja suit 70m away despite having a range?


please prove that his limbo CLONE(can't stress that enough it's only 1) cant funtion for extended periods of time in kamui land.

Instant doesn't take a long period of time, as soon as matter attacks he will send a limbo into dimensions.

At least his limbo clones last longer than five minutes if Kumai power


-explains how kakashi stops madara's kamui use.
-gives benefit of doubt and explains why madaras abilities are useless in kamui land
still calls me deluded.

None were provided....

Still *deluded*


yes he did. He shunshin'shunshin ' off 9 his susanno and struck her with raikiri. Her being a entity capable of flight means had the means and ability to get out of the way. Which she did whenever it came to sasuke, and it most cases naruto.
Naruto shunshin'd off the floor and ripped her arm off
kakashi shunshin'd off his susanno and ripped through her arm.
it would be a blitz if she wasn't distracted by naruto and sasuke. But seeing as how she was it's more along the lines of a sneak attack. It's not a sneak attack for kakashi since.

There you go, it wasn't a blitz and that was the only time he hit here.

Based off your understanding, Sakura blitz her too correct?

Still did nothing btw, she wasn't concentrating on the people without the seals, so that's already a big middle finger too.


a) she attacks first
b) no distractions were present.

He was free failing, no form of blitz happened whatsoever.

All he did was fall down while being intangible, that doesn't increase your speed.

Black zetsu said she was running out of chakra fast.


that's how substitution jutsu works.

Too bad it wasn't:





Didn't kakashi manage to turn around? Despite being fatigued? That's a physical reaction. So much for "instant speed". Sasuke, naruto, Kaguya and Kakashi must have speeds faster that instant according to u.

By the time Kakashi turned his head, Madara already took his eyes.

Kakashi was the one that said it happened instantly too, the only reason why he turned was because they called his name before Madara got there:





I'm pretty sure the comparison was only between sage modes. I'll have to recheck that. In truth it doesn't matter. V1 kaguya is faster than madara, that was getting blitzed left and right by sasuke and Naruto. Only naruto managed to land hits on v1 kaguya. Kakashi's blitzes v2 kaguya.

1) no proof Kaguya is faster
2) Kakashi didn't blitz anyone, he pulled a Sakura.



Yes, kakashi's wasted remains is a delightful thing to see.

This is the third time I had to correct you. It's limbo CLONE
still can't touch kamui users when using intangibility, still can't get past ps.

Still have to correct...

Limbo cannot be seen, and will take him out once Madara sends it into dimensions.

Limbo>>>PS, get that through your head already


fails to explain how it will get past ghost mode or ps.

Are you retarded?

The power of the juubi will eradicate Susanoo.

Madara has Kumai, kills Kakashi once he goes intangible with limbo clone.

Limbo >> five minutes

failed to explain how clones use godudama, fails to explain how godudama works an entire dimension away when it stops working 70 ft/m away.

Yeah. I'm done.


I don't think you know how to function...

Kumai overlaps the real world mr. Scatterbrain, nothing is 70m away.

Only an idiot will believe PS can do a thing to a juubi let alone it's jinchuuriki.
 

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Madara wins. Kamui, Kakashis strongest tech is not effective cos Maddy has it too, and PS gets destroyed by Juubidama. When PS is out, Limbo negs cos Kakashi cant see it. Limbo negs any1 bar Kaguya/Hagoromo/Naruto/Sasuke and possibly Hamura/Indra/Ashura.
 

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Because it's so logically that the immortal guy loses to someone with a five minute span of not even half his power?
But he isn't immortal. . .




Bad assumption with no proof, naruto did a good job in severing her arm.
not an assumption since it was all according to his plan. He cut through her arm so she couldn't use it. But he didn't sever it since it could grow back and be used as another sorce for bone spikes.

Kakashi didn't, in fact it didn't do anything to her.
Black Zetsu said otherwise

It like a needle pricked her
yet she couldn't use it for the remainder of the fight.



Still alive isn't he?
it threatened his life didn't it?

On top of that he didn't absorb the shinjuu tree yet:



i don't see how absorbing the tree makes him immortal. . .

Completely immortal, that is what Kumai Madara is...
yet he died.

An immortal that can live even if his lower body is cut off completely
yet damage to his brain and chest threatened his life, by his own admission.



A) You don't know that
superior chakra quantities, has chakra from every living being on earth. BZ Already stated that the more chakra she has the more powerful she becomes
B) Your assumption
More like fact. Why would he aim it to her arm when every other time he used raikiri it's aimed to the heart?



That's all he needs anyway
But it can't touch him...



One limbo clone simultaneously took out nine bijuus, does ps have the durability of nine bijuus?
it was 1 at a time. Not 9 at once, so yet ps has superior durability than a biju.

Even one bijuus duribility>>>Perfect Susanoo
yet madara's unstable ps (not rikudo chakra enhanced) had to protect full kuramas from its own bijudama. Yet killer bee was 1 shotted by his own bijudama. :rolleyes:

Bijuus are a huge mass of chakra into a physical form,
Didn't sasuke's weak ass chidori spear cut hachibi tentacles?
Didn't base minato cut through hachibi tentacles?
I could go on forever. They obviously have physical form or else they wouldn't be effected by things like kunai or chakra swords.
a ps that gets destroyed by Kaguya's vacuum palm
kaguya's vacuum palm out powered naruto's chakra arms despite naruto having chakra form all the beasts.
is not beating a bijuu.
But it is. We saw how sasuke's ps crapped on naruto's chakra shroud.

Even a TSB will destroy PS or other various forms of omyoudon will erase it.
Kakashi's ps is rikudo enhanced. Thus tsb or onmuden wouldn't effect him.

Lol at you comparing PS to the power of the juubi.
Where did I make that comparison I said they have more durability than biju. But the juubi's tails got cut through by Kurama's chakra, burned by ama, and restricted by hashirama. So please don't.



No he did not cancel anything, he negated it by sending his own.
obito dosen't have long range kamui and wasn't close to the gedo mazo when he did it. If he did what you proposed then it wouldn't matter since said ability passes over to kakashi. Thus giving him the ability to as u so nicely put" negate it by sending his own"

Otherwise he would of negated kakashi's kamui from sending naruto into dimensions.
He can only do it to what he's aware of. He wasn't aware of the clone, the rasengan, or the raikiri kunai. As he stated after the techniques hit him.

Regardless, that's Obito's feat and not kakashi's.
it passes over, since he has Obito's kamui.

So whatever you believe it to be, Kakashi can't use it.
You mean like he couldn't use intangibility? Oh wait he already did since all the kamui abilities pass over.



Fanfic justification holds no service in my eyes.
yet you tried to give madara obito's feats, even though madara dosent even have obito's sharingan. Lmfao. I can't

If this fan fic were true then post a scan of Kakashi doing this (meaning not Obito)
He already used obito's intangibility, used new abilities like kamui Shuriken and pulled out a ps. Somthing that can't be done without mastery over both eves. Now please prove that's it's limited to intangibility. I'll wait.

Nowhere did the manga state he gets all of Obito's powers,
Nowhere does it state that it dosen't. Since he already done more.
he can't sync/hack into other dimensions
assumptions, based on the fact that he didn't need to do that.
or eject objects out from his eyes either.
already did it to the hachibi with 1 eye.

Considering that the loudest speaker of Kakashi having Susanoo and not Obito, you should understand how this works.
what? This dosen't even make sense.

So hope off the hype train or fanfic train
U mean like the abilities you gave to madara?



Lies and no proof of this being stated.
used intangibility, still thinks there's no proof.



With this sentence here you have the balls to call me dense?
yes.

Are you really that senile?
cute retort

You can stick gudodama's to whoever you want:
So because you can stick them to whatever. ... it gives them the ability to use it? Lmfao.


1) Obito to Edo minato
So edo minato gained the ability to use obito's godudama? Lmaooooooooo
2) Naruto to his shadow clone
Did the shadow clone show the ability to use or manipulate the godudama? Nope. And you call me senile.

None of this Kumai attack is more than 70m, unless you're telling me Sasuke used Amenote on sakura's ninja suit 70m away despite having a range?
Sasuke himself stated that the range of his rinne shifting is increased when he has a target, and he shifted well over 70m with naruto's clone.

Love how you dodged the whole godudama busting dimensions question. Even by hype it's only forest buster. And it's useless in kamui land.




Instant doesn't take a long period of time,
What's instant? Kamui? Nope.
as soon as matter attacks he will send a limbo into dimensions.
which would be canceled by kakashi. Or better yet get stranded in there.

At least his limbo clones last longer than five minutes if Kumai power
Prove that it lasts 5 minutes. Cuz last I checked it has to return to the body well b4 5 minutes.




None were provided....
lol provide proof of godudama working in kamui land I'll wait.






There you go, it wasn't a blitz and that was the only time he hit here.
it was a blitz. Shreveport couldn't react fast enough to dodge and there wasn't any factors distracting her.

Based off your understanding, Sakura blitz her too correct?
Naruto and sasuke distracted her. Now show me how Naoto and sasuke distracted her from kakashi I'll wait.

Still did nothing btw, she wasn't concentrating on the people without the seals, so that's already a big middle finger too.
baseless assumptions since she couldn't use that arm.




He was free failing, no form of blitz happened whatsoever.
Prove that he was free falling.

All he did was fall down while being intangible, that doesn't increase your speed.
He sunshin'd off his susanno. And blitzed her.

Black zetsu said she was running out of chakra fast.
Actually bz said she was stronger than ever.




Too bad it wasn't:

to bad it was






By the time Kakashi turned his head, Madara already took his eyes.
But he turned his head. Meaning tired as fck war ark kakashi PHYSICALLY reacted to madara.

Kakashi was the one that said it happened instantly too, the only reason why he turned was because they called his name before Madara got there:

Lol. That's the wildest assumption I've ever seen in my life. Even worse is the fact that it's naruto talking to an enroute sasuke.




1) no proof Kaguya is faster
bz stated it.
2) Kakashi didn't blitz anyone, he pulled a Sakura.
Show me the distractions required 4 him to "pull a Sakura"




Yes, kakashi's wasted remains is a delightful thing to see.
lol



Still have to correct...

Limbo cannot be seen, and will take him out once Madara sends it into dimensions.
Limbo cant function in the kamui dimension for extended periods of time.


Limbo>>>PS, get that through your head already
fails to prove how...




Are you retarded?
nope.

The power of the juubi will eradicate Susanoo.
Power of juubi? We already saw what kamui Shuriken did to kaguya, we already know that once you're empowered by rikudo chakra, it dosen't matter.

Madara has Kumai, kills Kakashi once he goes intangible with limbo clone
he'd have to get the clone there. Then he'd have to bank on kakashi using intangibility b4 the clone becomes useless in kamui land.

Limbo >> five minutes
the two don't even correlate.




I don't think you know how to function...

Kumai overlaps the real world mr. Scatterbrain, nothing is 70m away.
This fcking dumbass. The kamui dimension is over 70 meters away, it's a DIMENSION away. Thus godudama become useless in the kamui dimension.

Only an idiot will believe PS can do a thing to a juubi let alone it's jinchuuriki.
yet sm susanno cut through obito,
and chidori sharp spear cut madara in half.


This guy. Rikudo powered ps slashes cut his body faster than he can regenerate.
 

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How would Kakashi even land a hit on Madara? Actually, why can't Madara defend himself with his own PS? Juubidama blows PS apart.

He landed a hit on kaguya. ...
last I checked he needs to summon the tree to use bijudama. That's easily taken care of via kamui shurikens, and it's up to debate whether he can use ps while being a jin.
 

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*Delude*

Any logical person knows that there is nothing Kakashi can do to harm Madara.

Giving him MS would just be handing over kakashi's body to Madara.

No matter how many senerio you conjure up in your head, Madara can send a limbo clone or Gudodama into dimensions.

As soon as Madara decides to fight in the real world, any type of phasing Kakashi uses to evade will surely be a neg diff overkill Kakashi.

So if you really know the truth...

Kakashi should be the least thing that comes to mind in this match up

This
As much as I love Obito and obito related powers (DMS Kamui) I must say Madara wins this.
I rate anyone who tamed and fused with the juubi higher than any other, and this includes dms Obito/Kakashi sadly.
 

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He landed a hit on kaguya. ...
last I checked he needs to summon the tree to use bijudama. That's easily taken care of via kamui shurikens, and it's up to debate whether he can use ps while being a jin.

He landed a hit on Kaguya with kamui rakiriki due to his ability to phase through things. Going intangible really isn't an option here since Madara can just warp a limbo clone into the kamui dimension so the moment Kakashi goes intangible, the clone kills him from the other side. Kakashi is not at all landing a hit on Madara with his PS when his sensing and reflexes allow him to dodge any of his attacks with ease.

Kamui shurikens warp whatever they come into contact with. Madara can just intercept the shurikens with Yasaka Magatama or TSB or guard against them with an Omnyoudon shield, or even just prepare the juubidama in the kamui dimension then warp them back at Kakashi.

It's not up to debate whether he can use PS or not. He can obviously use ninjutsu when he was a juubi jin (he used kamui when Juubito couldn't) so that means that after absorbing the Shinju juubi jins can use ninjutsu.
 

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But he isn't immortal. . .

But he is, so that's that.


not an assumption since it was all according to his plan. He cut through her arm so she couldn't use it. But he didn't sever it since it could grow back and be used as another sorce for bone spikes.

Because that's all he can do, Madara grows back his arm like he did his other body parts from Gai and Sasuke.

Black Zetsu said otherwise

Except he never did

yet she couldn't use it for the remainder of the fight.

Well she did


it threatened his life didn't it?

Before he absorbed the tree, possibly...

He never said he was immortal until after

Too bad, manga>>>you

He's immortal because of limitless regeneration.

i don't see how absorbing the tree makes him immortal. . .

But it did, that's why he never died when his body was cut in half with a rikudou yin chidori sword.

yet he died.

That's not rikudou Madara, he died a human again

yet damage to his brain and chest threatened his life, by his own admission.

Pre shinjuu tree

superior chakra quantities, has chakra from every living being on earth. BZ Already stated that the more chakra she has the more powerful she becomes
More like fact. Why would he aim it to her arm when every other time he used raikiri it's aimed to the heart?

She's a lot more powerful no doubt

You don't aim when you free fall, Kakashi doesn't control gravity.

Still assuming

But it can't touch him...

He has Kumai, so yes he can via limbo or shadow clone if he wanted to.


it was 1 at a time. Not 9 at once, so yet ps has superior durability than a biju.

Hahaha holy sh*t this is being quoted.

PS can even survive Hashirama's SS, yet a bijuu was able to survive a juubi ttb laser.

Limbo one shots PS


yet madara's unstable ps (not rikudo chakra enhanced) had to protect full kuramas from its own bijudama. Yet killer bee was 1 shotted by his own bijudama. :rolleyes:

Bee took a juubi laser at the lost of limbs

Rikudou chakra was never said to enhance durability, it was Obito's rikudou chakra that enable to use PS instead of all the other steps.

Didn't sasuke's weak ass chidori spear cut hachibi tentacles?
Didn't base minato cut through hachibi tentacles?
I could go on forever. They obviously have physical form or else they wouldn't be effected by things like kunai or chakra swords.
kaguya's vacuum palm out powered naruto's chakra arms despite naruto having chakra form all the beasts.
But it is. We saw how sasuke's ps crapped on naruto's chakra shroud.

Comparing a bijuu limb's durability to PS is like comparing Susanoo ribcage to the whole bijuu.

Kaguya sent in a whole barrage of vaccum palm, which naruto countered most of them if not all with bijuu hands alone. Sasuke whole PS blew out on four palms.

Sasuke's PS never kicked the crap out of naruto's shroud.

Especially when Sasuke collected nine bijuu chakra and naruto didn't use Asura form.

He was holding back, even Sasuke knew that.

Kakashi's ps is rikudo enhanced. Thus tsb or onmuden wouldn't effect him.

It's so sad that you don't know the difference between rikudou chakra and rikudou senjustu.

Senjustu negates omyoudon and yin yang attacks, Kakashi will get blown to bits.


Where did I make that comparison I said they have more durability than biju. But the juubi's tails got cut through by Kurama's chakra, burned by ama, and restricted by hashirama. So please don't.

That is what I'm laughing at :|

That little remark is futile because the juubi was still alive.

Using gates on the juubi doesn't take anything from the juubi, especially when it crushed the gates afterwards.

Hachibi said it wasn't able to control its power and shot at random.


obito dosen't have long range kamui and wasn't close to the gedo mazo when he did it. If he did what you proposed then it wouldn't matter since said ability passes over to kakashi. Thus giving him the ability to as u so nicely put" negate it by sending his own"

Used it when he Kumai Sasuke at the summit...

Obito jumped Kumai kakashi's Kumai before anything can be done, that's why he ran from naruto's ttb instead of phasing through it.



He can only do it to what he's aware of. He wasn't aware of the clone, the rasengan, or the raikiri kunai. As he stated after the techniques hit him.

Baseless assumptions, no ability of canceling Kumai can be done.

He would of cancelled Kumai at the very beginning of their fight if that were true.

He would of cancelled it right after he cracked his mask.

Instead he waited to know when he'll use it again and respond by stakes.


it passes over, since he has Obito's kamui.

No it doesn't, because Kakashi didn't use it period.

You mean like he couldn't use intangibility? Oh wait he already did since all the kamui abilities pass over.

Nope, wasn't implying intangibility

yet you tried to give madara obito's feats, even though madara dosent even have obito's sharingan. Lmfao. I can't

Why are you in this thread?

So how did Madara end in dimensions?

Bold:

Lol so f*cking dumb I swear

He already used obito's intangibility, used new abilities like kamui Shuriken and pulled out a ps. Somthing that can't be done without mastery over both eves. Now please prove that's it's limited to intangibility. I'll wait.

Doesn't mean sh*t, Obito is the only one who mastered HIS eyes.

Nowhere in the manga did it state that Kakashi mastered Kumai.

Manga>>>your opinions, if Kakashi hasn't seen using what Kumai variant that Obito can use, then Kakashi can't use them period.


Nowhere does it state that it dosen't. Since he already done more.
assumptions, based on the fact that he didn't need to do that.
already did it to the hachibi with 1 eye.

Nope, doesn't work that way...

The manga never stated that Obito can't use PS so your point is futile as ever.

Kakashi touched and warp bee, he never ejected ninja tools from dimensions.



what? This dosen't even make sense.

Of course it does...

You always go around posting Susanoo only to be kakashi's and not Obito's because he hasn't shown using it.

Same applies to Kakashi, he hasn't shown any use of syncing so it cannot be done by Kakashi.

U mean like the abilities you gave to madara?

Never did, everything is either stated in the databook or manga.

Databook confirms that his shadow can use the original bodies power.



used intangibility, still thinks there's no proof.


Justifying ignorance is your forte I presume.

Only illiterates will use pathetic grammar like that.


cute retort

So you find this in-fluctuating?

You f*cking queer...

So because you can stick them to whatever. ... it gives them the ability to use it? Lmfao.

Lol didn't read the databook on limbo XD.....Yes...Yes it does :|


So edo minato gained the ability to use obito's godudama? Lmaooooooooo
Did the shadow clone show the ability to use or manipulate the godudama? Nope. And you call me senile.

Obito used the Gudodama when it was attached to minato.

Last time I checked limbo clone and shadow clone are two seperate Justus.

Yep, you are pretty damn senile...

Sasuke himself stated that the range of his rinne shifting is increased when he has a target, and he shifted well over 70m with naruto's clone.

Lol what?

He said he can swap with any object within his range.

Not that BS increase range whatever you just posted there.


Love how you dodged the whole godudama busting dimensions question. Even by hype it's only forest buster. And it's useless in kamui land.

One Gudodama is said to whip a forrest, the whole thing shapes the land.

Dimensions get annihilated...


What's instant? Kamui? Nope.

No Madara grabbed Obito's eyes at an instant, Kakashi said so.

which would be canceled by kakashi. Or better yet get stranded in there.

Fan fic states in the fanfic section...

Kakashi can't do that.

Your fapping made up feats, you need proof/scan of him doing such bull.


Prove that it lasts 5 minutes. Cuz last I checked it has to return to the body well b4 5 minutes.

Prove that limbo lasted less than five minutes.

Because Madara used four limbo's against naruto, created CT, flew to the moon, preform IT, flew back, and still had cameback

With his limbo still active and fine.

Kakashi had his ps out to save Sakura, throw shurikens, and disappeared once he used intangibility.

You're right, it was only three minutes of susanoo.


lol provide proof of godudama working in kamui land I'll wait.

Prove that it doesn't, it's not even 70m away.

Same place in a different dimension, that is overlapping means.


it was a blitz. Shreveport couldn't react fast enough to dodge and there wasn't any factors distracting her.

She had low chakra to use any technique, BZ stated this.

Naruto and sasuke distracted her. Now show me how Naoto and sasuke distracted her from kakashi I'll wait.

Try to make sense out of this one, because I couldn't make out the last one.

baseless assumptions since she couldn't use that arm.

Assumptions, you don't know that

In fact she used her arm severed off too, so your bullsh*tting again.
Prove that he was free falling.


Free falling, Kakashi can't fly without Susanoo

He sunshin'd off his susanno. And blitzed her.

Lol the fan fic never seized from this one.

Prove it

Actually bz said she was stronger than ever.

No he didn't

to bad it was

No it's not, substitution Justu happens right before the attack.

Limbo swap happened right after.


But he turned his head. Meaning tired as fck war ark kakashi PHYSICALLY reacted to madara.

He also turned his head before Sasuke reached them with Amenote.

Stop being an idiot

Lol. That's the wildest assumption I've ever seen in my life. Even worse is the fact that it's naruto talking to an enroute sasuke.

Assumption that they called kakashi's name to warn him?

Or that he said Madara appeared instantly?

bz stated it.

No, he never did...

Not a single scan insight

Show me the distractions required 4 him to "pull a Sakura"

How about her concentrating to take out Naruto instead of Kakashi.


It's okay, you can't comprehend this...

Limbo cant function in the kamui dimension for extended periods of time.

Long enough for him to create ct, to the moon and back no problem.

fails to prove how...

Fails to proof otherwise


You're lying

Power of juubi? We already saw what kamui Shuriken did to kaguya, we already know that once you're empowered by rikudo chakra, it dosen't matter.

You should just log off

The shurikens did nothing to Kaguya, she still in tact.

The juubi holds power that is on par with sage.

Ps is absolute sh*t in comparison


he'd have to get the clone there. Then he'd have to bank on kakashi using intangibility b4 the clone becomes useless in kamui land.

Limbo uses holders powers

Madara runs at him while the clone leaves to dimensions.


the two don't even correlate.

Limbo clone last longer than five minutes of limited power.


This fcking dumbass. The kamui dimension is over 70 meters away, it's a DIMENSION away. Thus godudama become useless in the kamui dimension.

So when Obito goes from intangible to solid form instantly 70m+ away?

Idiot

Do you know how overlapping works?

It's the same place in a different world.


yet sm susanno cut through obito,
and chidori sharp spear cut madara in half.

Yet it didn't kill them...

Susanoo never cut through Sasuke either, his body was in tact.


Cutting Madara isn't going to kill, even Sasuke's yin seal couldn't do it.


This guy. Rikudo powered ps slashes cut his body faster than he can regenerate.

Lol my god what the f*ck did I just read XD

Madara's speed>>>>Kakashi

Madara's regeneration is limitless

You know what, I'm going to stop
 

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This
As much as I love Obito and obito related powers (DMS Kamui) I must say Madara wins this.
I rate anyone who tamed and fused with the juubi higher than any other, and this includes dms Obito/Kakashi sadly.

I'm glad there is someone as logical as you to keep logic flowing through threads.

Thank you truly

The power of the juubi is what pre jinch Hagoromoo and Haruma go all out.
 

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Madara cannot win this...

Kakashi simply use Ps to overwhelm Madara and chop his face into pieces therefore his Kamui eye is done for as well once that happens Kamui shurikens to the body and Madara's gone for ever... Limbo = Non-factor seeing as this Madara can only create 1 not to mention a stronger Madara Limbo was countered by clones so how in the world could 1 Limbo stop a Haggy buffed Ps...​
 

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Madara 0 diff.

-Limbo one-shots him, as Kakashi has no means of seeing or detecting its presence.
-Madara senses Kamui's pressure build-up via Senjutsu, and either dodges it with Juubi's Jinchuuriki speed, or intercepts it with Kamui himself.
-Kamui-Shuriken ends up wrapping Yasaka Magatama.

Kakahi has rikidou chakra, he can feel the presence of limbo
i agree
of course

Madara low diffs
 
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