[Theory] Kamui can be Absorbed

[~Ethereal~]

Nice try, hehe. Better than all the pairings garbage I will tell you that.

 

[Senju Bean]

Why are you still arguing ? You're wrong get over it.

So then you must accept that Kakshi snipes Hagoromo then.

Do you think that? Answer my question

 

[Mypower]

So then you must accept that Kakshi snipes Hagoromo then.

Do you think that? Answer my question

That's a rhetorical question. If you don't know the answer then you're not even fit to make an argument.

 

[Senju Bean]

That's a rhetorical question. If you don't know the answer then you're not even fit to make an argument.

No that's one of the conclusions if you are right.

We know your position is false because it would result in absurd things if it were true.

Have you ever seen a proof by contradiction before. It's pretty standard stuff.

 

[Mr Hiru]

OP: Tricky question, good arguments. But we should analyze the basis to reach conclusions.

The endless whirlpool is just a theoretical explanation that answers the "how" the Rinnegan can absorb chakra, but the important thing is that this technique is capable to absorb chakra from a jutsu.

Does Kamui have "chakra"? Kamui is a dimension, the "door opening" is what depletes the user's chakra.

Now, answer again your own question...

Under this simple analysis, your question can be rewritten: Can a dimension (Rinnegan's Endless Whirlpool) absorb another dimension (Kamui)?

Answer: No. Kamui doesn't have chakra.

 

[Senju Bean]

OP: Tricky question, good arguments. But we should analyze the basis to reach conclusions.

The endless whirlpool is just a theoretical explanation that answers the "how" the Rinnegan can absorb chakra, but the important thing is that this technique is capable to absorb chakra from a jutsu.

Does Kamui have "chakra"? Kamui is a dimension, the "door opening" is what depletes the user's chakra.

Now, answer again your own question...

Under this simple analysis, your question can be rewritten: Can a dimension (Rinnegan's Endless Whirlpool) absorb another dimension (Kamui)?

Answer: No. Kamui doesn't have chakra.

But that means Kakshi can snipe Hagoromo.

Does that really make sense?

 

[Mr Hiru]

But that means Kakshi can snipe Hagoromo.

Does that really make sense?

I think you're starting to twist the arguments here. If we are going to be objective about this debate, we should take in mind some common sense and try to think in terms of the definition rather than the users... so, if we are able to abstract ourselves from these mundane factors, we could make the comparison easier (because it's obvious that Rikudou Mode Naruto would own Part 1 Sasuke, right?).

So, let's assume the theoretical scenario where Dual Rinnegan Hagoromo is fighting against Dual Kamui Sharingan Hagoromo (Same user, same level of skill).

Can a dimension absorb a dimension? (check my last post to understand this one)

 

[Mr Hiru]

Look, I think it is very important to take in consideration how the jutsus work, not to judge that jutsus uses chakra per se.

Your question is good, but way too tricky. What if we were comparing a Rinnegan Sasuke against Pain? Endless Whirlpool against Endless Whirlpool? Who would absorb whose chakra?

This case would be useless to describe... because of the nature of the jutsu: To absorb.

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"He can't absorb and cast jutsus at same time"

But both Kamui and Endless Whirlpool "Absorbs"... so, does Kamui actually have chakra 'inside'?

I just told it: Kamui is a dimension, it is not made of chakra. What depletes chakra is the process of opening this dimension.

I'll leave this reasoning so you can give it a thought and remake the question.

I doubt that Rinnegan can absorb the Kamui.

Dimensions don't absorb themselves... they only overlaps.

 

[RedShadow]

How would it even absorb Kamui? If the user gets too close, they'll get warped.[SUB] You must be registered for see images [/SUB]

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[Senju Bean]

I think you're starting to twist the arguments here. If we are going to be objective about this debate, we should take in mind some common sense and try to think in terms of the definition rather than the users... so, if we are able to abstract ourselves from these mundane factors, we could make the comparison easier (because it's obvious that Rikudou Mode Naruto would own Part 1 Sasuke, right?).

So, let's assume the theoretical scenario where Dual Rinnegan Hagoromo is fighting against Dual Kamui Sharingan Hagoromo (Same user, same level of skill).

Can a dimension absorb a dimension? (check my last post to understand this one)

The one with the superior eyes would win then.

Obviously the Rinnegan.

 

[Senju Bean]

Look, I think it is very important to take in consideration how the jutsus work, not to judge that jutsus uses chakra per se.

Your question is good, but way too tricky. What if we were comparing a Rinnegan Sasuke against Pain? Endless Whirlpool against Endless Whirlpool? Who would absorb whose chakra?

This case would be useless to describe... because of the nature of the jutsu: To absorb.

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"He can't absorb and cast jutsus at same time"

But both Kamui and Endless Whirlpool "Absorbs"... so, does Kamui actually have chakra 'inside'?

I just told it: Kamui is a dimension, it is not made of chakra. What depletes chakra is the process of opening this dimension.

I'll leave this reasoning so you can give it a thought and remake the question.

I doubt that Rinnegan can absorb the Kamui.

Dimensions don't absorb themselves... they only overlaps.

Dimensions do absorb dimensions.

Wormhole is a opening to another dimension that absorbs parts of the current dimension. A big enough wormhole can absorb the entire dimension.

The endless whirlpool is like a wormhole in that regard

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Kamui warps space-time, not chakra. Warping can't be absorbing. Warping doesn't have any physical existence. I

Forget about absorption. Kamui can't even be stopped. Anything that tries to stop it will be warped away

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kamui warps space-time, not chakra. Warping can't be absorbing. Warping doesn't have any physical existence. I

Forget about absorption. Kamui can't even be stopped. Anything that tries to stop it will be warped away

The Transformation Jutsu doesn't have a physical existence either, but Preta could absorb it

 

[Punk Hazard]

But that means Kakshi can snipe Hagoromo.

Does that really make sense?

It means Kakashi could. But there is a big difference between could and would.

 

[Senju Bean]

It means Kakashi could. But there is a big difference between could and would.

could is all that matters.

Then its settled. Kakashi>Hagoromo.

Im sure Kishi agrees

 

[Punk Hazard]

could is all that matters.

Then its settled. Kakashi>Hagoromo.

Im sure Kishi agrees

No it's not. You're oversimplifying this. Could simply means it's possible, but that doesn't mean it's very likely. You could build the spaceship that eventually makes it to Jupiter, but how likely is that?

 

[Senju Bean]

No it's not. You're oversimplifying this. Could simply means it's possible, but that doesn't mean it's very likely. You could build the spaceship that eventually makes it to Jupiter, but how likely is that?

No, if what you are saying is true.

Kakashi could just look at Hagoromo and snipe him.

It likely to work if he tried it because preta cant stop it and it's best defensive rinnegan tech.

Then Kakashi>Hago




Maybe Hago can sense it and dodge it. But that doesn't count since we are solely comparing the eyes here.


A fair comparison would be: both stays still. Both stare each other down and both uses their eyes only. Who wins?

 

[Punk Hazard]

No, if what you are saying is true.

Kakashi could just look at Hagoromo and snipe him.

It likely to work if he tried it because preta cant stop it and it's best defensive rinnegan tech.

Then Kakashi>Hago




Maybe Hago can sense it and dodge it. But that doesn't count since we are solely comparing the eyes here.


A fair comparison would be: both stays still. Both stare each other down and both uses their eyes only. Who wins?

You are so hopeless.

 

[Senju Bean]

You are so hopeless.

Can't counter?

Im taking about a fair comparison here

 

[Punk Hazard]

Can't counter?

Im taking about a fair comparison here

No, you're just completely hopeless, from your terrible understanding of what the word could means to this shitty comparison. Hagoromo could use Shinra Tensei, his own Genjutsu, his Orbs, Asura Path, to counter.

What you fail to understand is that ¨Kakashi could Kamui snipe Hagoromo¨ doesn't mean it's likely to happen. Like Hiru said you are twisting words in the wrong direction.

Kakashi could Kamui snipe Hagoromo.
I could invent time travel.
You could become the King of Brazil.