I was hoping a moron like you would post such a bullsh*t picture & neg rep me to say that I'm wrong.
Look at the caster of the jutsu, does it say sasuke? Madara? No, it only says Itachi, which proves that the only caster is Itachi.
To further back this up, read the f*cking databook, it clearly shows you that susanoo boasts the legendary yata mirror and sword of totsuka. So your logic suggests that all susanoos boast those legendary weapons, which basically obliterates your argument because we know that isnt true.
Yes he does. You have to have both Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to have Susanoo.... And if he didn't even have Tsukuyomi why would he want to use Infinite Tsukuyomi? duh....
I was hoping a moron like you would post such a bullsh*t picture & neg rep me to say that I'm wrong.
Look at the caster of the jutsu, does it say sasuke? Madara? No, it only says Itachi, which proves that the only caster is Itachi.
To further back this up, read the f*cking databook, it clearly shows you that susanoo boasts the legendary yata mirror and sword of totsuka. So your logic suggests that all susanoos boast those legendary weapons, which basically obliterates your argument because we know that isnt true.
Got any more proof?
No you dont, give me the scan before spouting. Also read the damn thread too, I already laughed at this point..
I was hoping a moron like you would post such a bullsh*t picture & neg rep me to say that I'm wrong.
Look at the caster of the jutsu, does it say sasuke? Madara? No, it only says Itachi, which proves that the only caster is Itachi.
To further back this up, read the f*cking databook, it clearly shows you that susanoo boasts the legendary yata mirror and sword of totsuka. So your logic suggests that all susanoos boast those legendary weapons, which basically obliterates your argument because we know that isnt true.
Got any more proof?
No you dont, give me the scan before spouting. Also read the damn thread too, I already laughed at this point..
False, not only was it stated you need amaterasu and tsukuyomi to activate Susano'O in the first place, all MS users have a special ability, the MS of Obito and Shisui have a unique genjutsu, Kotoamatsukami and Obito's allows him to use Kamui, a S/T ninjutsu.
Sasuke's MS special ability grants him Enton, supremacy of amaterasu. Itachi's gives him supremacy of Tsukuyomi, while Madara's gives him supremacy over Susano'O.
Madara does have both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu but using them in a vs debate isn't quantifiable as his skill with them are unknown.
I don't think that if you don't have a sibling,your MS powers are going to be eternal....Because in Obito's case....he has only one eye...his other sharingan is with kakashi....i believe kamui is a power unique to those who have only one MS...since he is focusing chakra only on one eye,he can keep overusing it....Also he has senju hashirama's chakra....Remember Itachi telling Naruto that Shisui's eye can be used only once in ten years unless you've senju hashirama's chakra....i believe hashirama's chakra has a huge role in obito's overuse of kamui...As far as Shisui is concerned....no one knows if he had a sibling or not...besides i believe the overuse of Koto Amatsukami is what led to Danzo getting his one eye....Danzo got some of Hashirama's cells implanted in his body...and thus could keep using Shisui's eye...but since he wasn't an uchiha, there is a limit to the nof times he could use Koto Amatsukami...while idon't know why shisui had this power of koto amatsukami, i'm pretty sure that it was not because he was born a single child (which is a complete assumption in itself)...As far as madara having amaterasu and tsukuyomi is concerned, he probably does...after all he is the ultimate uchiha...he hasn't used it so far probably coz he hasn't finished checking out his new rinnegan powers properly yet
So stupid.If Madara doesn't have those abilities how is he going to project his eyes off the moon to cast infinite tsukuyomi?What mangs have you been reading?
Ah, wasn't it stated that Madara and Izuna were the first to unlock the Mangekyo? As we didn't hear about anyone else, we can assume no one else had a Mangekyo for Obito to steal. I'm sure all those stolen eyes were so he could use Izanagi on multiple occasions.
Also, yeah. As far as Shisui went, we'll never know. His technique made it impossible for him to overuse. If blindness was possible, it would never be an issue.
OMG dude you are so freakin wrong its just annoying at this point. My post PROVES that you need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to use Susano'o. It may have been Itachi's Susano'o in the picture, but it clearly states that only THOSE who have Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi may use Susano'o, as in that is the requirement for EVERY MS user to use Susano'o. You keep saying that there's no proof that he has both techniques, but there is. In fact, there is no proof that he DOESN'T have those techniques. You, for whatever reason, just don't want to accept that Madara can use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.
[edit] Furthermore, where is your proof that he doesn't have those techniques? If you really want to rebut what we're saying, show us the scan where Madara says "I can't use Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi" I dare you.
OMG dude you are so freakin wrong its just annoying at this point. My post PROVES that you need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to use Susano'o. It may have been Itachi's Susano'o in the picture, but it clearly states that only THOSE who have Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi may use Susano'o, as in that is the requirement for EVERY MS user to use Susano'o. You keep saying that there's no proof that he has both techniques, but there is. In fact, there is no proof that he DOESN'T have those techniques. You, for whatever reason, just don't want to accept that Madara can use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi.
I dont even need to respond to this, lmfao, you didnt even rebut the facts kid
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Read it & weep boi, what does it say? first line? yes, that's right! XD "susanoo boasts an absolutely perfect attack & defense because of the weapon it wields in ITS HANDS."
Susanoo (referring to susanoo in general) boasts the absolutely perfect attack & defense (implying [by your logic] that all susanoos boast totsuka/yata), because of the weapon it wields in ITS (referring to ONE susanoo) HANDS.
Not only does your very proof crush your argument into the dust, but on top of that you blatantly deny it. LML right now! XD
[edit] Furthermore, where is your proof that he doesn't have those techniques? If you really want to rebut what we're saying, show us the scan where Madara says "I can't use Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi" I dare you.
Dont need to, you're assuming he has a jutsu with no proof to support or even imply it. I guess Sasuke can use rasengan, where in the manga does it say that he cant? Hmm...What else? Seems like Nagato, Madara, & obito all know & mastered every rinnegan jutsu + all 5 nature releases, there isnt anything to deny it other than the lack of proof to support it.
I guess minato can go KCM while alive? I guess Itachi can use water dome? (he's a suiton user, why not?) See? Your argument is filled with holes & your proof contradicts your entire statement, laughable, simply laughable.
All in all, he doesnt have either ama or tsukuyomi, so just admit that you're wrong.
Tsukuyomi is an MS genjutsu that the user can completely create and control a fictional world using his own imagination. This is why the Moons Eye Plan is called "Infinite Tsukuyomi" as Madara states. Its because instead of Tsukuyomi lasting for a limited time, he plans to make that affect last forever. Tsukuyomi is the only genjutsu where you can fully control the genjutsu to create anything you want. Which makes sense on why Madara names that special ability "Infinite Tsukuyomi". They are pretty much the same ability but one can be used on a larger scale. This means what??? It means that Madara know what Tsukuyomi is thus naming the "special genjutsu" Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Also, Madara has to have Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi because they were abilities stated to be around before Itachi was even alive which they were referred to as "legendary". Madara and Izuna were the only Uchiha to ever have gained the MS before Shisui, Itachi and Obito. What adds more to this proof is that the black Zetsu is suppose to be Madara's conscious but isn't it funny that the black Zetsu knows in exact detail about Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi but the white Zetsu knew nothing at all about them? This explains why because the black Zetsu knew everything Madara knew which is why he created black Zetsu in the first place to help Obito and fill in information. Obito himself out of his own mouth said that it was rare to gain the Susanoo. Ask yourself why its rare... In Mythology Amateratsu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo are 3 siblings. Susanoo was born last after Tsukuyomi and Amateratsu... Do you see the connection here?
Madara was the one who wrote all that stuff about the Uchiha and the MS/EMS on the stone tablet because he was the first Uchiha member to gain it. The stuff about the Rinnegan and so on was there before his time but Madara obviously added on to it for the future generation for obvious reasons. Its starting to make a lot of sense now.
Tsukuyomi is an MS genjutsu that the user can completely create and control a fictional world using his own imagination. This is why the Moons Eye Plan is called "Infinite Tsukuyomi" as Madara states. Its because instead of Tsukuyomi lasting for a limited time, he plans to make that affect last forever.
@Bold: Where does madara state that he's using a stronger version of tsukuyomi? Stop fabricating claims. He never once said that he plans on making tsukuyomi last forever, not once does he even utter that. Yes he plans on making that effect last forever, however that effect can also be achieved through regular genjutsu, as my scan confirms.
Tsukuyomi is the only genjutsu where you can fully control the genjutsu to create anything you want.
The scan I provided clearly proves you wrong, madara states himself that he will cast this genjutsu, this genjutsu referring to the 3-T that he placed on obito.
This means what??? It means that Madara know what Tsukuyomi is thus naming the "special genjutsu" Infinite Tsukuyomi.
Tsukuyomi means moon god, juubi is a god & madara is using that gods power on the moon to create a never-ending effect. Hence, infinite tsukuyomi. I already explained all of this in my earlier posts.
Also, Madara has to have Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi because they were abilities stated to be around before Itachi was even alive which they were referred to as "legendary".
Bad logic, how do you know that izuna didnt have them?
Also its implied that there were more uchiha who sacrificed themselves in order to try & gain the mangekyou. So its not farfetched to assume that such jutsus were written down on the tablet either. The tablet is confirmed to have jutsu on it, and since its confirmed that two uchiha can possess the same MS abilities then I see no reason why it cant be written down from possible previous MS users.
Madara and Izuna were the only Uchiha to ever have gained the MS before Shisui, Itachi and Obito. What adds more to this proof is that the black Zetsu is suppose to be Madara's conscious but isn't it funny that the black Zetsu knows in exact detail about Amateratsu and Tsukuyomi but the white Zetsu knew nothing at all about them?
Zetsu knew everything about totsuka & yata as well, that doesnt mean that madara possessed them.
This explains why because the black Zetsu knew everything Madara knew which is why he created black Zetsu in the first place to help Obito and fill in information. Obito himself out of his own mouth said that it was rare to gain the Susanoo.
As I said, black zetsu doesnt prove that madara had them, lol. Actually what Obito says implies that there were more uchiha with MS. How many uchiha do we know with MS? 6. Obito, Shisui, Itachi, Sasuke, Izuna, & Madara. Now tell me, do you notice how half of those with MS are known to have susanoo? Well this would make zero sense going by obito's statement then because half =/= rare. If anything KA is more rare than susanoo, lol. So it seems as tough you believe that there were more uchiha with MS before madara & izuna, otherwise you wouldnt go by obito's statement or even mention it.
Ask yourself why its rare... In Mythology Amateratsu, Tsukuyomi and Susanoo are 3 siblings. Susanoo was born last after Tsukuyomi and Amateratsu... Do you see the connection here?
Yes & kishi made the obvious connection with Itachi, who possesses all 3 siblings plus izanami & totsuka/yata mirror. ALL of the mythological parallels are associated with Itachi & nobody else (that doesnt mean that other ninja cant have some mythological association, this just simply means that Itachi is the "magnet" for it). The only one that he's missing is izanagi, however it doesnt change the fact that kishi was doing it for Itachi, he's moved past that & now its just become susanoo.
Madara was the one who wrote all that stuff about the Uchiha and the MS/EMS on the stone tablet because he was the first Uchiha member to gain it. The stuff about the Rinnegan and so on was there before his time but Madara obviously added on to it for the future generation for obvious reasons. Its starting to make a lot of sense now.
This is you making up theories, lol. Madara wrote on the tablet? How does that even make any sense? Madara learned how to awaken the rinnegan from the tablet, correct? He can only see how to do so with the MS...Right...? Well then how on earth did he write the guide on obtaining MS if MS is needed in order to read further?? See?? Zero sense because that writing was already there, there was already someone with MS who wrote how to awaken the rinnegan prior to madara, otherwise how did madara know how to do it?
He didnt just guess, he knew that uchiha/senju dna is needed, lol...
@Bold: Where does madara state that he's using a stronger version of tsukuyomi? Stop fabricating claims. He never once said that he plans on making tsukuyomi last forever, not once does he even utter that. Yes he plans on making that effect last forever, however that effect can also be achieved through regular genjutsu, as my scan confirms.
Dude he called the genjutsu INFINITE TSUKUYOMI. Which refers to the NORMAL Tsukuyomi which Itachi displays. There is a reason why "INFINITE" is placed before the word Tsukuyomi. This means that Madara knew of an ability called Tsukuyomi which obviously was a MS ability. It has the same exact characteristics of a normal Tsukuyomi EXCEPT its INFINITE. What makes further proof is the simple fact that Kakashi knew the name of the ability "Kamui" before finding out Obito had it as well. Which means what? Obito himself stated this his "Kamui" was better then Kakashi's which obviously means what?
@Bold:The scan I provided clearly proves you wrong, madara states himself that he will cast this genjutsu, this genjutsu referring to the 3-T that he placed on obito.
Read what Madara says CLEARLY. He says by using the power of the Gedo Mazou that he can create a genjutsu that allows him to create what ever he wanted. Which refers back to the MS ability Tsukuyomi. Because as I explained before Tsukuyomi is the only genjutsu where you can fully control and create anything you want within the genjutsu.
@Bold:Tsukuyomi means moon god, juubi is a god & madara is using that gods power on the moon to create a never-ending effect. Hence, infinite tsukuyomi. I already explained all of this in my earlier posts.
The word "Tsukuyomi" means moon god just like "Amateratsu" means Sun god... Just like Susanoo means storm god. Do you see where I am going here? The word Tsukuyomi itself refers to Moon god. Not "Infinite" Tsukuyomi.
@Bold:Bad logic, how do you know that izuna didnt have them?
Also its implied that there were more uchiha who sacrificed themselves in order to try & gain the mangekyou. So its not farfetched to assume that such jutsus were written down on the tablet either. The tablet is confirmed to have jutsu on it, and since its confirmed that two uchiha can possess the same MS abilities then I see no reason why it cant be written down from possible previous MS users.
Here you are wrong again. Madara and Izuna before Itachi,Sasuke,Obito and Shisui were the ONLY 2 Uchiha's ever known to gain the MS. Madara was the ONLY Uchiha ever known to gain the EMS before Sasuke. It is recorded in Uchiha history and stated as a fact in the manga. Obito clearly stated that Amateratsu,Tsukuyomi and Sasanoo were very rare abilities. He even states he wanted Sasuke because he had "rare" eyes. This means that someone before Itachi and Sasuke had those powers. Which refers back to Madara and Izuna who were also brothers because they were also the only siblings to also gain the MS.
Except as I stated before the Black Zetsu knew everything Madara knew because the black Zetsu was Madara's conscious. The fact that he knew about these abilities in exact detail tells you that Madara experienced on hand how these abilities work. The Yata Mirror and Totsuka sword are just legendary items people knew about similar to the SO6P weapons. Amateratsu,Tsukuyomi and Susanoo are actual abilities that Madara had to have access to for the simple fact that he knew about them before Itachi even had them. There is a clear difference here.
@Bold:As I said, black zetsu doesnt prove that madara had them, lol. Actually what Obito says implies that there were more uchiha with MS. How many uchiha do we know with MS? 6. Obito, Shisui, Itachi, Sasuke, Izuna, & Madara. Now tell me, do you notice how half of those with MS are known to have susanoo? Well this would make zero sense going by obito's statement then because half =/= rare. If anything KA is more rare than susanoo, lol. So it seems as tough you believe that there were more uchiha with MS before madara & izuna, otherwise you wouldnt go by obito's statement or even mention it.
No dude, KA isn't rare for the simple fact only one person in history was shown to have the ability. In order for something to be "rare" it has to be shown more then once but in very low numbers. If something is shown only once and never ever seen again then you can't call it rare because its a one time only thing. Obito statements about Sasuke makes you wonder why he wanted Sasuke in the first place. If you remember he said that Sasuke COULD gain the Rinnegan. But he wouldn't allow it unless Sasuke could be trusted. He also stated that he wanted to keep Sasuke hidden until after the war was over. What does Obito state after taking in the 10 tails? He states that he can no longer use his sharigan abilities. Which means what?
@Bold:Yes & kishi made the obvious connection with Itachi, who possesses all 3 siblings plus izanami & totsuka/yata mirror. ALL of the mythological parallels are associated with Itachi & nobody else (that doesnt mean that other ninja cant have some mythological association, this just simply means that Itachi is the "magnet" for it). The only one that he's missing is izanagi, however it doesnt change the fact that kishi was doing it for Itachi, he's moved past that & now its just become susanoo.
What happens when you use MS abilities as stated in the manga? You get backlash right? Then explain this here.
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^^ What is Sasuke doing? Why is his right eye damaged? That was when he awoken Tsukuyomi. As Danzou states that his genjutsu was far weaker then Itachi's because Itachi could control the time limit.
Right after he awakens Amateratsu. Pay attention to what Juugo states about Sasuke telling them about the black flames before he could produce them.
@Bold:This is you making up theories, lol. Madara wrote on the tablet? How does that even make any sense? Madara learned how to awaken the rinnegan from the tablet, correct? He can only see how to do so with the MS...Right...? Well then how on earth did he write the guide on obtaining MS if MS is needed in order to read further?? See?? Zero sense because that writing was already there, there was already someone with MS who wrote how to awaken the rinnegan prior to madara, otherwise how did madara know how to do it?
You clearly didn't read what I said correct;y. I said EVERYTHING that is written on the tablet about the Uchiha was written by Madara. Why? Because Madara is the FIRST Uchiha to gain the MS and the EMS. He left guidelines on how to obtain it and left the powers you should be able to gain from the MS/EMS. As in controlling the tailed beast. Anything about the Rinnegan and forward was already on the tablet. Madara could just read some of it because he had the EMS at the time. Everything about the MS/EMS was by Madara's hand because in history Madara was the first Uchiha to gain the MS/EMS. That makes 100% sense. He was leaving behind pieces of a puzzle for future Uchiha.
You clearly didn't read what I said correct;y. I said EVERYTHING that is written on the tablet about the Uchiha was written by Madara. Why? Because Madara is the FIRST Uchiha to gain the MS and the EMS. He left guidelines on how to obtain it and left the powers you should be able to gain from the MS/EMS. As in controlling the tailed beast. Anything about the Rinnegan and forward was already on the tablet. Madara could just read some of it because he had the EMS at the time. Everything about the MS/EMS was by Madara's hand because in history Madara was the first Uchiha to gain the MS/EMS. That makes 100% sense. He was leaving behind pieces of a puzzle for future Uchiha.
This is where you went wrong. How on earth did Madara and Izuna know the steps to gain the MS?
You think they just decided to kill their Best Friends?
And if you said the guide line where left by the Elder Son of the Sage. it would have been highly plausible. But Madara? NO
Of course the Sage would not leave behind such gruesome steps for attaining power behind. Doesn't sound like him.
But if you say the Elder Son....
Dude he called the genjutsu INFINITE TSUKUYOMI. Which refers to the NORMAL Tsukuyomi which Itachi displays. There is a reason why "INFINITE" is placed before the word Tsukuyomi. This means that Madara knew of an ability called Tsukuyomi which obviously was a MS ability. It has the same exact characteristics of a normal Tsukuyomi EXCEPT its INFINITE. What makes further proof is the simple fact that Kakashi knew the name of the ability "Kamui" before finding out Obito had it as well. Which means what? Obito himself stated this his "Kamui" was better then Kakashi's which obviously means what?
Show me where is states that madara knows of Itachi's tsuku
Kakashi knowing the name for his ability means nothing, lmao. What are you even proposing with such a statement?
I already proved to you that madara used a regular 3-T sharingan genjutsu on obito & said that he can project THAT genjutsu onto the moon, thus creating infinite tsukuyomi. He never mentions the mangekyou, he never mentions needing it. The only requirement is the mazou's chakra & the sharingan. The effects may be the same but they are not the same jutsu. The eye that madara used isnt even his, it doesnt even have tsukuyomi, show me the scan where madara refers to the genjutsu that he's using or the genjutsu that he plans to use is TSUKUYOMI.
Simple, you cant, all you have are measly implications which mean nothing, you dont have one single shred of concrete proof stating that tsukuyomi is the genjutsu needed for I/T. & if you say it one more time then you have lost all credibility.
Read what Madara says CLEARLY. He says by using the power of the Gedo Mazou that he can create a genjutsu that allows him to create what ever he wanted. Which refers back to the MS ability Tsukuyomi. Because as I explained before Tsukuyomi is the only genjutsu where you can fully control and create anything you want within the genjutsu.
"IF I'M CONNECTED TO THE MAZOU, I CAN USE ITS POWER TO CREATE ANYTHING, NO MATTER HOW DETAILED"
"WITH THIS GENJUTSU I CAN CREATE A WORLD EXACTLY AS I WANT"
"BY USING THE MOON INSTEAD OF MY EYES TO CAST THIS GENJUTSU I CAN CREATE THE DREAM WORLD"
Where oh where is it stated that tsukuyomi is needed, please tell me. Madara states himself that he can use the GEDO MAZOU TO CREATE ANYTHING HE WANTS WITH THIS (3-T) GENJUTSU. Yes it has the similar effect as tsukuyomi but it is not tsukuyomi, he didnt use it there & clearly referred to I/T as the genjutsu he's currently casting on obito.
Now enough of your false assumptions, and long paragraphs of utter wrongness. Tsukuyomi & I/T are separate jutsus, you have noting stating otherwise & I have facts.
The word "Tsukuyomi" means moon god just like "Amateratsu" means Sun god... Just like Susanoo means storm god. Do you see where I am going here? The word Tsukuyomi itself refers to Moon god. Not "Infinite" Tsukuyomi.
Okay, now lets see if you can see where I'm going.
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The legendary sword of the shinto god, susanoo.
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An imperial regalia of japan, used along side the
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to lure out amaterasu.
Now what does this all mean? If you're slow then let me explain. All three references are in both mythology & naruto, who possesses all 3? Itachi does, now if we continue going by your logic then where is madara's yata mirror? I havent seen sasuke pull out totsuka...You'r argument once again crumbles before you because your failed assumptions are easily contradicted by simple manga facts.
Manga fact; Itachi is the only character to associate himself with the mythology surrounding susanoo, all the other characters are missing something. To assume that madara/sasuke have ama/tsuku when they dont even possess all the pieces of the mythology is wrong, sorry. Lol
Here you are wrong again. Madara and Izuna before Itachi,Sasuke,Obito and Shisui were the ONLY 2 Uchiha's ever known to gain the MS. Madara was the ONLY Uchiha ever known to gain the EMS before Sasuke. It is recorded in Uchiha history and stated as a fact in the manga.
Lol Im wrong? madara & Izuna are the first KNOWN uchiha to awaken MS, doesnt mean that they were the first in history, if so then show me the recorded proof, show me someone reading somewhere where its stated.
Obito clearly stated that Amateratsu,Tsukuyomi and Sasanoo were very rare abilities. He even states he wanted Sasuke because he had "rare" eyes. This means that someone before Itachi and Sasuke had those powers. Which refers back to Madara and Izuna who were also brothers because they were also the only siblings to also gain the MS.
No he didnt, read the manga. Obito said that eyes with susanoo are rare, he never mentioned ama/tsukuyomi.
If susanoo was rare then less than half the MS uchiha would have it.
Except as I stated before the Black Zetsu knew everything Madara knew because the black Zetsu was Madara's conscious. The fact that he knew about these abilities in exact detail tells you that Madara experienced on hand how these abilities work. The Yata Mirror and Totsuka sword are just legendary items people knew about similar to the SO6P weapons. Amateratsu,Tsukuyomi and Susanoo are actual abilities that Madara had to have access to for the simple fact that he knew about them before Itachi even had them. There is a clear difference here.
Read zetsu's last quote, "amaterasu burns anything that........or so I hear". Now tell me, if zetsu is madara's consciousness then who told him about amaterasu? Did madara tell him(self) ? But wait that makes no sense because he already knows about it. If madara experienced firsthand the effects of amaterasu then zetsu wouldnt have "heard" of it, he would simply "know" it.
Exact same case with yata/totsuka. Zetsu says "it is said" referring to him "hearing" what yata/totsuka does & not experiencing it firsthand, now thanks, this should end your point.
No dude, KA isn't rare for the simple fact only one person in history was shown to have the ability. In order for something to be "rare" it has to be shown more then once but in very low numbers. If something is shown only once and never ever seen again then you can't call it rare because its a one time only thing. Obito statements about Sasuke makes you wonder why he wanted Sasuke in the first place. If you remember he said that Sasuke COULD gain the Rinnegan. But he wouldn't allow it unless Sasuke could be trusted. He also stated that he wanted to keep Sasuke hidden until after the war was over. What does Obito state after taking in the 10 tails? He states that he can no longer use his sharigan abilities. Which means what?
It means infrequently occurring, or uncommon, oh & btw KA fits your definition of rare so you contradicted yourself. First of all something doesnt need to occur more than once to be rare, that is bs & just goes to show me that you dont understand the meaning of words U_U.
Yes, something that's rare can appear in low numbers, but what's 1? is it not a low number? Yes it is, so by definition KA is more rare than susanoo, because it appears in lower numbers than it. This is fact & if you wanna start arguing the english language then be my guest but it will be your nightmare..
What happens when you use MS abilities as stated in the manga? You get backlash right? Then explain this here.
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^^ What is Sasuke doing? Why is his right eye damaged? That was when he awoken Tsukuyomi. As Danzou states that his genjutsu was far weaker then Itachi's because Itachi could control the time limit.
Makes no sense, what you propose is that sasuke has 4 MS abilities, unheard of. Sasuke casts ama with his left eye & controls it with his right (enton). Sasuke does not have tsukuyomi.
I guess he has tsukuyomi in both eyes, going by your flawed logic.
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Just because he holds his eye after genjutsu, doesnt mean that its tsukuyomi, kishi made it clear with that scan.
Show me sasuke casting tsukuyomi, because the above genjutsus arent it.
Right after he awakens Amateratsu. Pay attention to what Juugo states about Sasuke telling them about the black flames before he could produce them.
What does this prove? That sasuke knew about tsukuyomi? Sasuke experienced it firsthand & Zetsu knows of it, he can easily tell him if anything, lol.
You clearly didn't read what I said correct;y. I said EVERYTHING that is written on the tablet about the Uchiha was written by Madara. Why? Because Madara is the FIRST Uchiha to gain the MS and the EMS.
Skimmed through the rest of your paragraph, had to stop reading right here, who told madara how to awaken the MS? Once again, proven wrong...
All of your arguments are based on very little evidence & pure assumption, you assume so much that its laughable. Stop claiming things to be true when its never said, & stop misinterpreting what people in the manga say. If you dont then your arguments will get beaten down again & again.
You are right on some points but I don't think that every Uchiha is destined to have a certain type of Sharingan technique. Also the Susano'o isn't a sibling thing because Itachi said that Susano'o can only be used with a double mangekyo sharingan. I.e. why Obito hasn't been seen using susano'o yet he and Kakashi bout have a Sharingan.
There are several flaws, that makes your theory doubtful. First of all there is no evidence, whether either of them had siblings or not. Also there is no evidence, that Madara has Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Whatever Itachi said doesn't apply to Madara, unless there is actual manga evidence, that he knew about Madara's abilities, which is not the case. Also the whole "blindness-issue" holds no evidence. So it's all just speculation.
Through time there have been several theories on this topic, and the ones I consent to the most, are those that simply says, that whatever ability you awake are dependant on situation in your life, which explains why Itachi and Sasuke awoke some of the same abilities, as well as it explains why Izuna and Madara did. Simple theories often come out well.
Now where I think your theory truly faulters, is when you go into the blindness issue. I am not gonna find the chapter and page, but when Kakashi fought Itachi first time, he learned that using the MS caused a great risk to the user.
Then in their 2nd encounter, when Kakashi and co. went to rescue Gaara, Kakashi insinuated, that he knew, that it caused blindness. At this point Kakashi was capable of using MS, so it's not stupid to believe, he already felt the "blindness".
IMO Susanoo just carries a much greater risk to the users eyes compared to any other MS ability, which is why Sasuke/Itachi went blind so fast. Obito also said, that Sasuke went blind due to overuse of Susanoo (after Sasuke fought Naruto/Kakashi and was going blind).
