Reacting, and movement speed are two different things. Reacting = Dodai recognizing the situation + acting on it with his jutsu. Movement = Getting out of harms way before the opponent can register etc etc.
Dodai not only quickly pulled Naruto out of the Rubber Ball, but concealed himself behind the nearest rock without the Raikage taking notice. That bro is movement speed.
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Regarding the Kakuzu vs Raikage. I disagree, the only thing the Raikage has shown is nukite. This defeats Domu yes, but Domu isn't the only technique in Kakuzu's arsenal. Not sure if this is OC or IC however, Kakuzu himself could act as a decoy, allowing the Raikage to impale him acting as a distraction (we've seen the Raikage be fooled before eg; Dodai) the wind mask could/would strike momentarily breaking down his lightning armor, which then would leave him open for a Raiton: Gian, or Katon: Zukokku.
Either way, Elemental barrages imo would wear, and tear down the Sandaime Raikage, giving Kakuzu the win.
Another thing however, is that the Raikage has no way of actually hitting Kakuzu's heart(s). Entering CQC with Kakuzu is stupendous his body is made of 99.99% Tendrils (0.1% being the heart(s)). This means the Raikage if using nukite would simply impale tendrils, basically impaling nothing. However, if the Raikage chose to strike in a slicing motion the tendrils would be severed, but as we've seen many times Kakuzu can reproduce neigh infinite amounts (depending on his chakra input of course).
Basically it''d come down to who has the most stamina. They're both around the same level imo again.
Offtopic: Icelerate don't dislike my post bruh. Don't ride the wave, and base your ideals on others ideologies.
Man the wind mask couldn't even damage Kakashi except destroying his ninja vest and headband. :lol it's not gonna do anything to raiton shroud. Then we have raikage instantly using his shroud again after being hit with Rasensuriken.
Kakuzu can fight for 3 days straight? A proof would be nice.
The amount of stupidity in your posts is mind numbing. No offense.
1. Ay's Shunshin are always straight on attacks. Period. The only difference between V2 Ay's final attack, and V1 Ay chasing after Naruto is the speed. If Naruto didn't step his speed up then obviously he wouldn't be able to avoid V2 Ay, which was the whole point of the confrontation. Why don't you try doing this thing I like to call...."Reading the Manga"?
-Naruto tries to get past Ay.
-Ay follows him in V1 and knocks him back.
-Naruto tries to get past Ay again.
-Ay charges him again, but in V2 this time.
-Naruto uses Shunshin and outspeeds him.
Stop trying to compare this to a homing missile when Ay moved in a straight line both times. :lol
2. Stop talking about this side stepped BS garbage that you pulled out of your arse when I and the Manga have already explained what happened. Do I have to show you what sidestepping is? In fact, I think I will.
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=Sidestepping.
Running around Ay's punch and appearing 5 meters away from him before he can even hit the cliff isn't sidestepping.
Dictionary states "Avoid by stepping sideways".
Didn't know that Naruto using Shunshin to circle around Ay, thus traveling a distance a good ways above 5 meters, to evade his punch was him stepping to the side.
Wrong and you sound dumb. If Naruto can travel that much distance before Ay can travel from where Naruto was to the cliff, then Naruto is faster than him. Can we start using Common sense plz?
The funniest part of this post is either you saying Naruto sidestepped Ay, or that Ay "chasing" Naruto in V1 means that he wasn't moving in a straight line when Manga shows that he was. Or maybe it's you implying that you can't chase something in a straight movement. :lol :lol :lol My sides.
What's with the bold? Did it hurt tu pull that out of your ass?
I just posted a scan of him chasing Naruto with sunshin. He can change direction with his v1 speed as he could keep changing directions according to where Naruto was going. Hasn't shown to do that in v2.
:lol Are you really this daft? I don't care what you think Ay can or can't do, I only care about what he did in the panels, and every single time Ay charged at Naruto it was in a straight line. Not debatable, so please stop trying.
Thus it wasn't a straight attack, because Ay had no way to know where Naruto would be next, meaning he followed him. If he did that with a straight sunshin he'd had to calculate naruto's final position once he reaches him.
:lol. Let me post a picture of a straight line since you aren't clever enough to realize what one is without someone having to break it down for you.
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It doesn't matter which way the line is pointing, it is always straight. When Ay jumped after Naruto, did he curve? No. Did he zig-zag? No. He jumped straight up and slapped Naruto back down to Earth. That is a STRAIGHT LINE. :lol Not knowing where Naruto would be next and following Naruto (whether true or not) doesn't change the fact that he jumped straight up, thus in a straight line. The fact that you are actually trying to argue this says a lot. :lol
Naruto moves to Ay's back, and Ay keeps going straight until he punches the wall. Naruto covered a shorter distance than Ay, and he ended up being 5 mts away because Ay made that distance larger.
Wrong again. As usual. I love how you are trying to lie about the Manga though.
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Naruto was a meter away from that wall at most. Ay appeared right in front of Naruto, thus Ay only crossed a meter while Naruto went around Ay and then appeared 5 meters away from him. Let me draw you a picture since it seems such a basic point has flown right above your head.
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Red X is Ay. Black X is Naruto. Naruto circles around Ay's point blank range punch and then appears 5 meters away from him in the same time it takes him to cross 1 meter max. Do the math. Naruto is faster than him. Easily.
I used the term sidestep as to make clear Naruto covered a short distance to get out of the range of the punch.
Covering over 5 meters in around the same time it takes Ay to cover 1=Being faster than Ay.
Circle around Ay? Sure boy. He moved a side (obviously, since he can't phase trough him) and then advanced a little more. The distance he had to cover to get out of Ay's range was small. Period.
Stop being an idiot. It's not amusing this late at night sorry to say. He didn't move to the side shit. Naruto was running in a straight line to one direction, and Ay came in a straight line from another direction. So why in the would would he just moved to the side and go straight ahead? Even if he did you'd still be wrong, but that's not the point. The point is you make no sense whatsoever.
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Then we have the positioning of his body, meaning he just came in from the left side. (right to him) Not from straight ahead.
And you keep with the "that much distance" bullshit, lmao. Naruto moving a few steps a side would put him safe, then the distance increases because Ay is further from where he was when Naruto dodges
Except Naruto didn't move to a few steps to the side in the same time it took Ay to cross that small distance and hit the wall dumbass. Can we start using common sense please? Can we start reading the Manga and not wanking off to Ay?
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Oh, what's that? A chase on a non-straight line? Whoops.
Ay in v1 is able to change the course of his sunshin, hence that's why he could reach Naruto. Once he went full speed, the only thing Naruto needed to do was to get out of his range, since Ay wouldn't be able to change the direction
I can't be the only one reading this can I? Is this guy actually suggesting that moving side to side isn't the same as moving in a straight line? Do you even know what lines are? Lol Jesus Christ people sure are dumb nowadays.
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-Ay being able to change the course of his Shunshin is not only something that has never been shown, it's something Ay never needed to do (nor did he do it, so what in the hell are you basing your claims off of?) because Naruto only Shunshin's in a straight line. Not to mention Ay was never shown changing his Shunshin course AFTER THE FACT, to catch Naruto.
1. Naruto jumps up in the air.
2. Ay jumps straight up after him.
1. Naruto moves side to side.
2. Ay matches him and moves side to side. Straight. Line.
And please learn what a few meters is, cause Naruto was not even 2 meters away from that cliff. 2 meters is around 6 1/2 ft. Naruto is nowhere near that height and you can take another Naruto, lay him face down and he'd either be touching the cliff or he'd be close to touching it.
Oh. :lol. First gif I got when I put in side stepping, but the example should be fine. And this dude actually said "Non straight line", when all lines are straight. :lol :lol
Man the wind mask couldn't even damage Kakashi except destroying his ninja vest and headband. :lol it's not gonna do anything to raiton shroud. Then we have raikage instantly using his shroud again after being hit with Rasensuriken.
Kakuzu can fight for 3 days straight? A proof would be nice.
You're not understanding Kakuzu's body modifications. Not only can the hearts/masks be transitioned within the body, well as levitate within the air via tendril support (meaning the Raikage would have no way of touching them). This means that if the Raikage decided to strike @ Kakuzu the wind mask/heart would be transitioned in close proximity eg; directly upfront in the Raikage's face while still incorporated into Kakuzu's body, and strike in an unorthodox manner. There's no dodging that. Especially when it's not seen coming, Kakashi saw the mask then reacted, the Raikage will not have time to analyze the situation, do to unorthodox mannerisms.
The Raikage fought against thousands of no name fodders. Meaning he used very little stamina/chakra against them though it did accumulate. Kakuzu if put in the same situation undoubtefully from the feats we've seen, the chakra control, the elemental capacity etc. He'd be able to pull off the same feat IMO. Actually I know he would. Jiongu alone would be able to EASILY take on fodder, if Kakashi himself was about to be defeated by Jiongu.
There's so many tactics in which Kakuzu can fight against the Raikage it's stupid. Also from what I remember the Raikage's lightning armor had deactivated for a short moment. Now imagine constant Fuuton: Atsugai' striking the Raikage. He'd never get the chance of reapplication due to Atsugai spam.
Reacting, and movement speed are two different things. Reacting = Dodai recognizing the situation + acting on it with his jutsu. Movement = Getting out of harms way before the opponent can register etc etc.
Dodai not only quickly pulled Naruto out of the Rubber Ball, but concealed himself behind the nearest rock without the Raikage taking notice. That bro is movement speed.
No, that's him being fast enough to evade the Raikage's charge. That's not him outspeeding the Raikage. Raikage simply charged, and then hit the ball. All Dodai was fast enough to do was to grab Naruto from the ball and then shift their position behind one of the nearby rocks. Not to mention pure common sense should tell you that Dodai isn't as fast as the Raikage considering Dodai was talking about how his speed is hyped in their village.
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Regarding the Kakuzu vs Raikage. I disagree, the only thing the Raikage has shown is nukite. This defeats Domu yes, but Domu isn't the only technique in Kakuzu's arsenal. Not sure if this is OC or IC however, Kakuzu himself could act as a decoy, allowing the Raikage to impale him acting as a distraction (we've seen the Raikage be fooled before eg; Dodai) the wind mask could/would strike momentarily breaking down his lightning armor, which then would leave him open for a Raiton: Gian, or Katon: Zukokku.
Either way, Elemental barrages imo would wear, and tear down the Sandaime Raikage, giving Kakuzu the win.
Unless his jutsu somehow got anywhere near the level of FRS, they won't even hurt him let alone wear him down.
1. If FRS hit him head on, and the only thing that happened was that his armor was gone and he had some minor flakes due to being an Edo (and was knocked on the ground) why would Atsugai be powerful enough to rip off his armor?
2. Even if it was, the attack itself wouldn't even phase him, so no, he wouldn't be open for any follow up attacks. He'd just reactivate his armor ASAP and tank or evade Kakuzu's incoming jutsu.
Another thing however, is that the Raikage has no way of actually hitting Kakuzu's heart(s). Entering CQC with Kakuzu is stupendous his body is made of 99.99% Tendrils (0.1% being the heart(s)). This means the Raikage if using nukite would simply impale tendrils, basically impaling nothing. However, if the Raikage chose to strike in a slicing motion the tendrils would be severed, but as we've seen many times Kakuzu can reproduce neigh infinite amounts (depending on his chakra input of course).
If Raikage impales him in the heart that is keeping him alive, Kakuzu's body dies and another heart is forced to revive him. Then Raikage impales him again and the process repeats. Not to mention he can cut his body into pieces with One Fingered Nukite, and being able to produce threads isn't going to let him stitch his mincemeat of a body back together.
Basically it''d come down to who has the most stamina. They're both around the same level imo again.
99% sure that Kakuzu has nothing that'd match him in stamina with someone who can fight for 3 days straight, against an army that'd force him to exert himself far more than Kakuzu would be able to.
You're not understanding Kakuzu's body modifications. Not only can the hearts/masks be transitioned within the body, well as levitate within the air via tendril support (meaning the Raikage would have no way of touching them). This means that if the Raikage decided to strike @ Kakuzu the wind mask/heart would be transitioned in close proximity eg; directly upfront in the Raikage's face while still incorporated into Kakuzu's body, and strike in an unorthodox manner. There's no dodging that. Especially when it's not seen coming, Kakashi saw the mask then reacted, the Raikage will not have time to analyze the situation, do to unorthodox mannerisms.
When Kakuzu has his dolls take up flight, he'd put himself in danger of getting blitzed. None of his attacks are fast enough to hit a moving raikage. What raikage has to do is just move towards Kakuzu, and dodge the dolls' attacks from air. The dolls don't have any reaction feats that let them react to raikage as well. If Raikage attacks a doll, and fails to kill him, next time he'll paralyze it with black lightning, and then chops the doll into pieces. What you're saying about unorthodox means of attacking raikage is countered by raikage's speed. The techniques got a build up time, which gives raikage time to easily dodge them. Even if his he's not going to get hurt. FRS couldn't hurt him, and in terms of strength FRS>>>>Anything Kakuzu has shown. Also I have my doubts if Kakuzu can really move his hearts freely when they're outside of his body, inside the dolls. There's been an emphasis on Kakuzu's masks everytime he's lost a heart. When one of the hearts die the corresponding mask has shown to be damaged or destroyed, so Kakuzu has to keep the hearts behind the mask when they're outside of his body.
The Raikage fought against thousands of no name fodders. Meaning he used very little stamina/chakra against them though it did accumulate. Kakuzu if put in the same situation undoubtefully from the feats we've seen, the chakra control, the elemental capacity etc. He'd be able to pull off the same feat IMO. Actually I know he would. Jiongu alone would be able to EASILY take on fodder, if Kakashi himself was about to be defeated by Jiongu.
There's so many tactics in which Kakuzu can fight against the Raikage it's stupid.
thousands of shinobi that tried to reach Raikage's comrades. He had to prevent every single one of them from reaching his allies, which means he had to run around constantly to not let them go after his comrades. I doubt Kakuzu can spend chakra like raikage does.
If the football is at least as big as you (or bigger) and a few centimetres away from your face before you move your whole body out of its way completely, and reappear 5 metres behind it as it collides into a wall, then yes, you are faster than that specific football.
This guy was using techniques right after the technique was done. You see Temari giving orders during the impact of FRS. The sealing team started using their techniques right after FRS blast was over. Fact is Raikage>one FRS. I don't know why you're making FRS plural, when I never said Raikage can tank multiple FRS.
Raikage with cracks all over his body. Not gonna respond again when you're going to deny a clear cut display of Raikage's toughness.
This guy was using techniques right after the technique was done. You see Temari giving orders during the impact of FRS. The sealing team started using their techniques right after FRS blast was over. Fact is Raikage>one FRS. I don't know why you're making FRS plural, when I never said Raikage can tank multiple FRS.
Raikage with cracks all over his body. Not gonna respond again when you're going to deny a clear cut display of Raikage's toughness.
FRS and Susanoo Arrows were shown to move at the same speed.
Kakashi couldn't physically evade the Susanoo arrow from 20m out. He used Kamui.
Ay III dodged FRS point blank range. That means he can move much faster than Susanoo Arrows and FRS, which means he can move much faster than Kakashi, and will easily shit blitz Kakuzu low difficulty.
NO NO NO Susanoo arrows have blitz opponents from the start FRS has no such feats add that fact that was an enton arrow which is made out of fire and has less wind resistance than a solid arrow made from Susanoo then add that fact that the enton arrow caught up to the FRS to mesh with it
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top left corner you see the arrow well behind FRS and catches up to it quickly.
OT - Raikage burns him but he's not as fast as V1 A
This guy was using techniques right after the technique was done. You see Temari giving orders during the impact of FRS. The sealing team started using their techniques right after FRS blast was over. Fact is Raikage>one FRS. I don't know why you're making FRS plural, when I never said Raikage can tank multiple FRS.
Raikage with cracks all over his body. Not gonna respond again when you're going to deny a clear cut display of Raikage's toughness.
Do you know the difference between edo body and living body? in the living body those little cuts, would've been places where he would've been bleeding from oh and lets not even forget the fact it put him down on his ass for couple of seconds.. and you consider that to be tanking? i don't think so.
His arm could've been cut off and he would've been able to move perfectly fine as an edo tensei.. guess what tho.. that won't be the case with a living body. He could've had a huge cut on his back or front, and would've been able to get back up fine, with the edo tensei body.
Is his body hard to cut? yes.. but are all his "endurance" feats, solely because of his actual body? no. His body is much stronger compared to your average jounin, but that is also thanks to that lightning armor he has on. He ain't no man of steel.
Edo flakes?? hmm they don't always have to be there, when temari wrecked his armor and body.. the deep cuts in his body regenerated without any flakes:
Jesus, I made this thread. People answered simple "Raikage stomps". So I think it's all over, and then I come back the next day and there are 74 replies and 4 pages filled? WHat happened?
-Atsugai obviously takes down the raiton shroud, if Temari's lesser scale fuuton was able to.
-Can we not forget that Kakuzu encountered team Asuma the first time, continously sealed the Bijuu for three days (which i'm fairly certain is not considered "rest") and then took on Kakashi and team 10, whether it was Kishi screwing up or what, he has a good cause for Stamina feats. If he has the ability to constantly control 5 chakra systems with chakra it should be known he's a pretty big stamine beast.
I peronally don't see his attacks doing much to the third, although can't we use FT's argument here? Could his internal organs still be damaged by the temperature of Kakuzu's fuuton+katon when used? It's incredibly hot temperature wise, much hotter than the ASK flames FT tried to use this argument with, and it would be harder to put out.
Circle around Ay? Sure boy. He moved a side (obviously, since he can't phase trough him) and then advanced a little more. The distance he had to cover to get out of Ay's range was small. Period.
