Kakuzu vs. Itachi

[KidGamer65]

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Any version of PT 1 and beyond Itachi>Kakuzu.
Any version of Pt 2 Sasuke>Kakuzu.
Base Jiraiya>Kakuzu. SM rapes.
Base Killer B>Kakuzu
Orochimaru>>Kakuzu
Gai>Kakuzu
Hiruzen>Kakuzu
Gaara>>Kakuzu
Minato>>>Kakuzu
Tobirama>>>Kakuzu
Pain Arc Naruto>>>Kakuzu
Tsunade and Sakura also have a chance of beating him.

:lol Also by my logic Itachi>Everyone because Genjutsu lets him defeat Kakuzu of all people. Hmm.

 

[Icelerate]

How is base Killer Bee beating Kakuzu?

 

[KidGamer65]

How is base Killer Bee beating Kakuzu?

-Samehada.
-Raiton Vibrato Blades.
-Raw speed above people (Hebi Sasuke) who are above people (Kakashi) who have already evaded his attacks.
-Ink Clones
-Partial Transformation

How is Kakuzu beating Base Killer B if that is what you are implying will happen?

 

[Icelerate]

-Samehada.
-Raiton Vibrato Blades.
-Raw speed above people (Hebi Sasuke) who are above people (Kakashi) who have already evaded his attacks.
-Ink Clones
-Partial Transformation

How is Kakuzu beating Base Killer B if that is what you are implying will happen?

I agree he wins with samehada. I don't think Bee's reactions are on par with sharingan users because the gap in speed isn't that great. Not to mention Kakashi never evaded katon+fuuton combo. He had a difficult time against fuuton alone. Though you do have a point with partial transformation. It could momentarily bind Kakuzu allowing Bee to snipe him with raiton projectiles.

 

[KidGamer65]

I agree he wins with samehada. I don't think Bee's reactions are on par with sharingan users because the gap in speed isn't that great. Not to mention Kakashi never evaded katon+fuuton combo. He had a difficult time against fuuton alone. Though you do have a point with partial transformation. It could momentarily bind Kakuzu allowing Bee to snipe him with raiton projectiles.

Not sure what you mean with the bold. The gap in movement speed not being great doesn't mean that B can't have greater reactions than Kakashi and Hebi Sasuke, especially since his feats (movement and reaction wise) easily surpass that of Kakashi in the Immortals Arc.

And Kakashi did evade the combo. He tried to counter it, failed and created distance only for Kakuzu to rush him. And he only had a difficult time with Fuuton because of Hidan's distraction. It was point blank and it only took off his jacket and made a cut on his clothes let alone a normal attack on someone faster than him.

 

[RedRobin]

He detached a heart from his body (which isn't any different from him creating his mask monsters so why you mentioned this as it's new evidence is beyond me). How is that the same as him detaching the heart sustaining his life? Oh wait I know.

It's not. :lol Not even close. If he switches hearts while in Genjutsu nothing happens. End of story. If you could prove otherwise you would've.

No, Kakuzu just gets solo'd by Itachi. If you could prove otherwise you would've, that's why all you can do at this point is cry about how I hate and don't understand your favorite character. :lol Zero arguments and explanations for my logic=99% of the verse gets solo'd. All tears because another person has been displayed to beat your fav. First Hebi Sasuke now 3-T Itachi. :lol Kakuzu fans must have it rough.

Why dont you think his hearts break him out of genjustu? There is a good amount of evidence they do.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why dont you think his hearts break him out of genjustu? There is a good amount of evidence they do.

There really isn't. They aren't beings that have shown to manipulate chakra on their own. When they are separate from his body Kakuzu makes hand signs for them to utilize Ninjutsu. That lets us know that they can't do so on their own, meaning they definitely aren't using Genjutsu Kai on their own.

The only evidence for them being able to do is them being able to move on their own, but that's irrelevant to manipulating chakra on their own.

 

[RedRobin]

There really isn't. They aren't beings that have shown to manipulate chakra on their own. When they are separate from his body Kakuzu makes hand signs for them to utilize Ninjutsu. That lets us know that they can't do so on their own, meaning they definitely aren't using Genjutsu Kai on their own.

The only evidence for them being able to do is them being able to move on their own, but that's irrelevant to manipulating chakra on their own.

They can already move on their own even to a point where Kakuzu was unconscious. He didnt use a hand seal when the raiton mask attacked [

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during the war arc so I doubt he would do that if he needed to focus on using hand seals since he was fighting multiple opponents.

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that when he takes the heart of an opponent he gets access to their chakra nature. This is possible because DNA has chakra in it as seen with people with Hashirama's cells who use mokuton. He connects them to his chakra network. They are separate chakra entities as the

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Kakuzu takes his opponents heart as well as their chakra.

To break him out of genjustu the hearts would have to send

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which they can do since they can connect to his chakra network.

Kakuzu presents a huge problem to 3T Itachi IMO.

 

[ToshiZO]

If Kakuzu gets KO'd with genjutsu then I feel bad for every other character in this series.

 

[KidGamer65]

They can already move on their own even to a point where Kakuzu was unconscious. He didnt use a hand seal when the raiton mask attacked [

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] and that one separated its raiton stream. He sends

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during the war arc so I doubt he would do that if he needed to focus on using hand seals since he was fighting multiple opponents.

We know from

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that when he takes the heart of an opponent he gets access to their chakra nature. This is possible because DNA has chakra in it as seen with people with Hashirama's cells who use mokuton. He connects them to his chakra network. They are separate chakra entities as the

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Kakuzu takes his opponents heart as well as their chakra.

To break him out of genjustu the hearts would have to send

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which they can do since they can connect to his chakra network.

Kakuzu presents a huge problem to 3T Itachi IMO.

Like I told Zexion or whoever brought that same point up. Where is he shown at all when Raiton mask attacks? Nowhere, so how can you say he didn't use hand signs? Whether or not they can move while he's unconscious isn't them manipulating chakra. People have already brought up most of these points. The War Arc point doesn't hold too, because him attacking from multiple angles using his masks doesn't mean that he himself doesn't need to make the hand signs for their Ninjutsu, because he had to do so for Zukkoku and Atsugai as shown when he fought Kakashi and Team 10.

And your last point simply doesn't make sense. Yes, he's taking in their hearts that contain some sort of chakra, but how is that equivalent to stopping the chakra flow? All injections of chakra don't stop your chakra flow. This is the same logic people use to say that Curse Mark breaks Genjutsu and that chakra absorption breaks Genjutsu even though they don't. Same principle. Not to mention you have no idea if whatever chakra he is taking is what is enough to utilize Genjutsu Kai in the first place.

If Kakuzu gets KO'd with genjutsu then I feel bad for every other character in this series.

Good thing Kakuzu isn't every other character in this series, but I'm looking forward on seeing the Kakuzu's fanbase's flawed attempt to justify this nonsense too.

 

[RedRobin]

Like I told Zexion or whoever brought that same point up. Where is he shown at all when Raiton mask attacks? Nowhere, so how can you say he didn't use hand signs? Whether or not they can move while he's unconscious isn't them manipulating chakra. People have already brought up most of these points. The War Arc point doesn't hold too, because him attacking from multiple angles using his masks doesn't mean that he himself doesn't need to make the hand signs for their Ninjutsu, because he had to do so for Zukkoku and Atsugai as shown when he fought Kakashi and Team 10.

And your last point simply doesn't make sense. Yes, he's taking in their hearts that contain some sort of chakra, but how is that equivalent to stopping the chakra flow? All injections of chakra don't stop your chakra flow. This is the same logic people use to say that Curse Mark breaks Genjutsu and that chakra absorption breaks Genjutsu even though they don't. Same principle. Not to mention you have no idea if whatever chakra he is taking is what is enough to utilize Genjutsu Kai in the first place.

Dude how late you been up :lol

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next to the raiton stream on the right. Who did you tell that to?

He is shown dealing kotestu while raiton mask

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Tenten. Clearly he was occupied with other opponents and I doubt he would leave the heart alone if they couldnt act on their own even though they have already shown to do so.

Chakra flow doesnt need to stop, simply needs to be disrupted. You dont even know the specifics of what disrupts chakra flow. For the most part its shown to be characters charging up their chakra to try to break the genjustu. No big requirements have ever been stipulated for genjustu kai as its simply shown to be an external flow of chakra into the person done fairly quickly.

 

[KidGamer65]

Dude how late you been up :lol

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between the masks. Again

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next to the raiton stream on the right. Who did you tell that to?

He is shown dealing kotestu while raiton mask

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Tenten. Clearly he was occupied with other opponents and I doubt he would leave the heart alone if they couldnt act on their own even though they have already shown to do so.

Chakra flow doesnt need to stop, simply needs to be disrupted. You dont even know the specifics of what disrupts chakra flow. For the most part its shown to be characters charging up their chakra to try to break the genjustu. No big requirements have ever been stipulated for genjustu kai as its simply shown to be an external flow of chakra into the person done fairly quickly.

You don't see when he initiates the jutsu. When he initiates the jutsu all you see is a close up of his face. Like I just told you. :lol For Atsugai and Zukkoku he used hand signs. For Gian he's not shown initiating the jutsu. If he needs hand signs for 2/3 of his masks jutsu and then said process isn't shown for the 3rd, common sense tells you he needs hand signs or some kind input to for the 3rd.

Except you have no idea how the mask ended up getting separated from him. Where are you getting the evidence that he purposely left it by itself to fight Tenten? For all you know he could've been drawn away by force.

And no. Jiraiya clearly states that to disrupt said flow you stop it. Stopping it disturbs it thus breaking the Genjutsu.

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There isn't anything you could ever find in this Manga to argue that Kakuzu taking a heart stops or distrubs his chakra flow. Using the "it's new chakra being placed into him" argument doesn't work otherwise chakra absorption and curse mark and nature energy gathering and all that junk would break Genjutsu.

But they don't. So why is it the same for Kakuzu here?

 

[RedRobin]

You don't see when he initiates the jutsu. When he initiates the jutsu all you see is a close up of his face. Like I just told you. :lol For Atsugai and Zukkoku he used hand signs. For Gian he's not shown initiating the jutsu. If he needs hand signs for 2/3 of his masks jutsu and then said process isn't shown for the 3rd, common sense tells you he needs hand signs or some kind input to for the 3rd.

Except you have no idea how the mask ended up getting separated from him. Where are you getting the evidence that he purposely left it by itself to fight Tenten? For all you know he could've been drawn away by force.

And no. Jiraiya clearly states that to disrupt said flow you stop it. Stopping it disturbs it thus breaking the Genjutsu.

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There isn't anything you could ever find in this Manga to argue that Kakuzu taking a heart stops or distrubs his chakra flow. Using the "it's new chakra being placed into him" argument doesn't work otherwise chakra absorption and curse mark and nature energy gathering and all that junk would break Genjutsu.

But they don't. So why is it the same for Kakuzu here?

We are arguing if he initiated the attack. We see kakuzu just before the attack, simply getting a close up of his face doesnt mean anything is different from the middle panel. Shikamaru is already pulling out his scroll in the middle panel which shows the intent for an attack was already present.

Like I said he sends them out himself [

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]. While Kakuzu is on the lower levels, Chouza is on top fighting Dan and the masks appear near him as the other shinobi preparing the formation notice them. If they couldnt attack themselves then it would be stupid of Kakuzu to send them out as he is fighting multiple opponents and wouldnt be able to initiate an attack on 4 different masks.

Ok but you dont know what the specifics on what can stop chakra flow. Again what we have seen is people simply putting

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into doing it almost in a chakra charging stance. Itachi remarks Naruto has improved, meaning he was heading in the right direction but still isnt good enough in genjustu yet.

When were those things ever ruled out in the manga? I dont see how someone could be absorbing chakra while in genjustu, however the senjustu thing seems quite plausible to me however we arent arguing those things as they arent like Kakuzu's heart. Both of those things has to do with the user's chakra while Kakuzu's hearts have different chakras in them presenting an external form of chakra and have shown to be able to bring him out of an unconscious state by reconnecting to him through his chakra network.

 

[KidGamer65]

We are arguing if he initiated the attack. We see kakuzu just before the attack, simply getting a close up of his face doesnt mean anything is different from the middle panel. Shikamaru is already pulling out his scroll in the middle panel which shows the intent for an attack was already present.

Like I said he sends them out himself [

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]. While Kakuzu is on the lower levels, Chouza is on top fighting Dan and the masks appear near him as the other shinobi preparing the formation notice them. If they couldnt attack themselves then it would be stupid of Kakuzu to send them out as he is fighting multiple opponents and wouldnt be able to initiate an attack on 4 different masks.

Ok but you dont know what the specifics on what can stop chakra flow. Again what we have seen is people simply putting

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into doing it almost in a chakra charging stance. Itachi remarks Naruto has improved, meaning he was heading in the right direction but still isnt good enough in genjustu yet.

When were those things ever ruled out in the manga? I dont see how someone could be absorbing chakra while in genjustu, however the senjustu thing seems quite plausible to me however we arent arguing those things as they arent like Kakuzu's heart. Both of those things has to do with the user's chakra while Kakuzu's hearts have different chakras in them presenting an external form of chakra and have shown to be able to bring him out of an unconscious state by reconnecting to him through his chakra network.

Intent for an attack obviously isn't the same as an attack. You don't see his torso area when the jutsu is about to be fired. All you see is Shikamaru know that they are next, meaning they knew that something was gonna come. Then you get a close up of Kakuzu and the jutus launches. Every other jutsu he uses via masks needed hand signs. No reason he didn't do the same or similar here.

It's literally the same exact battlefield. So again, you don't have a point. As long as he can see them and is aware of what they are doing there is no reason this move contradicts what has been shown from him during his fight with Kakashi and Team 10, and that's the fact that his input is needed for them to use Ninjutsu if they are separate.

The specifics? What in the world are you talking about? Chakra is inserted and said chakra is used to stop the chakra flow. There is nothing more you need to know about the jutsu than what is blatantly stated. Adding hearts isn't stated, hinted or implied to do that so why would it break Genjutsu? That is what you are failing to actually support with evidence and it's the same issue the last 2 had.

-Kabuto was constantly taking in Nature Energy yet needed to blindfold his eyes to deal with Itachi and Sasuke's Genjutsu. If addition=stopped chakra flow this wouldn't have happened.

The bold makes it painfully obvious that you know you are wrong but once again are grasping at straws to prove your point. "external form of chakra that brings him out of unconscious state by reconnecting to him via chakra network". Lmao. It revives him because it's a heart. Literally has nothing to do with his chakra network. That is why he can use their nature. Not why he comes back to life. If you aren't going to argue that the following aren't examples of the chakra flow being stopped and disrupted then don't argue this either:

-Kabuto constantly absorbing NE and creating Senjutsu Chakra.
-Tsunade pumping her chakra into Onoki.
-Sakura pumping her chakra into Obito.

Now I'm going to ask this again. Based on what does simply adding chakra from hearts stop the chakra flow? That's what I'm waiting for. Not assumptions based on little to no proof.

 

[Zexion~]

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His hands were clearly at his side the entire time, you think a shinobi would make a hand-sign then just flop his hands down into a complete motionless position? That would be quite goofy looking to say the least.

lol @ river trying to use a process that has anesthesia and a multitude of other things to KEEP YOU FROM DYING WHEN THE HEART IS BEING TRANSPLANTED not to mention its a rare as hell process.



Also KG you keep posting that scan but do you know the definition of disturb?

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Jiraiya tells Naruto to stop the flow because that is probably the EASIEST way to do it, and perhaps the only way a normal shinobi can consciously counter genjutsu but again Kakuzu isn't a normal shinobi and has ways to BY DEFINITION disturb the chakra flow himself without completely halting it.


-lol @ base Jiraiya beating Kakuzu

-lol @ Sasuke raping when again in my 4 years here you've not once ever said how Sasuke actually kills Kakuzu


You've been saying disrupt this entire time when the exact scan you've been posting says disturb......unless that last one was from a different source than my dude.... come on.

 

[KidGamer65]

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His hands were clearly at his side the entire time, you think a shinobi would make a hand-sign then just flop his hands down into a complete motionless position? That would be quite goofy looking to say the least.

lol @ river trying to use a process that has anesthesia and a multitude of other things to KEEP YOU FROM DYING WHEN THE HEART IS BEING TRANSPLANTED not to mention its a rare as hell process.



Also KG you keep posting that scan but do you know the definition of disturb?

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Jiraiya tells Naruto to stop the flow because that is probably the EASIEST way to do it, and perhaps the only way a normal shinobi can consciously counter genjutsu but again Kakuzu isn't a normal shinobi and has ways to BY DEFINITION disturb the chakra flow himself without completely halting it.


-lol @ base Jiraiya beating Kakuzu

-lol @ Sasuke raping when again in my 4 years here you've not once ever said how Sasuke actually kills Kakuzu


You've been saying disrupt this entire time when the exact scan you've been posting says disturb......unless that last one was from a different source than my dude.... come on.

So his hands being at his sides after using the jutsu is proof that he didn't make hand signs or put in any kind of input to have them use their ability? Lmao. Try again. No reason for his hands to be up after making his hand sign. His other masks need his input regardless of what it is to use their Ninjutsu. Them being able to utilize Genjutsu Kai is pure fanfiction.

Jiraiya told Naruto to stop the flow because that is how Genjutsu Kai works. Why can't you just read what's on the scan and not make up dumb theories to try and prove your point for once? That disturbs the flow. Nothing more, nothing less. "Kakuzu isn't a normal shinobi" is another dumb cop out argument and I'm getting pretty sick and tired of reading these. Lmao you've resorted to literally arguing semantics now since you can't prove your point with actual evidence.

-You need to stop your chakra flow to break Genjutsu.
-Jiraiya clearly states that in the scan.
-Kakuzu is not exempt "just because".

-Kakuzu has no way to disturb his chakra flow or stop it. We've been over this and instead of addressing the point your best comeback was "haha, im right believe what you want".

-Base Jiraiya beats Kakuzu. SM rapes.

-Sasuke beats him comfortably. Who said he rapes? How he defeats him has been said multiple times with or without Kirin. You not wanting to read what clearly outclasses your fav isn't my issue. The fact you always try to argue it yet end up dropping the argument every single time without fail speaks volumes. What's even funnier about this statement is that the only one who has no real argument for how Kakuzu beats Sasuke is you. Your argument over and over and over again is "large element spam GG no re prove me wrong". :lol Wut?

And I've yet to see an argument from anyone on how Kakuzu wins. Probably because he doesn't. :lol

I don't know what's so complicated here. Just make the argument that proves your point and all will be good. But instead you complain like people are out to get a fictional character because they don't rank his strength anywhere near as high as you wrongfully do. :lol

 

[Zexion~]

So his hands being at his sides after using the jutsu is proof that he didn't make hand signs or put in any kind of input to have them use their ability? Lmao. Try again. No reason for his hands to be up after making his hand sign.

Jiraiya told Naruto to stop the flow because that is how Genjutsu Kai works. Why can't you just read what's on the scan and not make up dumb theories to try and prove your point for once? That disturbs the flow. Nothing more, nothing less. "Kakuzu isn't a normal shinobi" is another dumb cop out argument and I'm getting pretty sick and tired of reading these. Lmao you've resorted to literally arguing semantics now since you can't prove your point with actual evidence.

-You need to stop your chakra flow to break Genjutsu.
-Jiraiya clearly states that in the scan.
-Kakuzu is not exempt "just because".

-Kakuzu has no way to disturb his chakra flow or stop it. We've been over this and instead of addressing the point your best comeback was "haha, im right believe what you want".

-Base Jiraiya beats Kakuzu. SM rapes.

-Sasuke beats him comfortably. Who said he rapes? How he defeats him has been said multiple times with or without Kirin. You not wanting to read what clearly outclasses your fav isn't my issue. The fact you always try to argue it yet end up dropping the argument every single time without fail speaks volumes. What's even funnier about this statement is that the only one who has no real argument for how Kakuzu beats Sasuke is you. Your argument over and over and over again is "large element spam GG no re prove me wrong". :lol Wut?

And I've yet to see an argument from anyone on how Kakuzu wins. Probably because he doesn't. :lol

I don't know what's so complicated here. Just make the argument that proves your point and all will be good. But instead you complain like people are out to get a fictional character because they don't rank his strength anywhere near as high as you wrongfully do. :lol

Lmaoooo even I can realize your arguments are thinning KG.

You have to disturb your chakra flow as Jiraiya said, as YOU said he told Naruto to stop the flow because thats how Kai works, he clearly in the next scan states that the chakra needs to be disturb to break the Genjutsu. Kai is one way of doing this but not the only, which now makes it quite clear why Sakura inputting chakra broke Naruto out of genjutsu.

Anyways Kakuzu can push chakra into his hearts when they are outside the body, they come in and disturb the flow with that chakra which is now a separate nature, literally we can't know for sure what exactly happens but we have given so many possibilities that you have shot down for some shoddy scan that you weren't even reading correctly.

-Hearts come in and the chakra has to now stop and flow through an entirely new piece of the network that determines chakra nature (this disturbs the chakra flow)
-Heart comes in with chakra already pushing through the heart (which means it has a different nature) thus simulating what Sakura did to Naruto
-Heart simply switches and the physiological changes break Genjutsu, Chiyo stated that pain is enough to break 3t genjutsu and before you say anything Kakashi saying "Itachi is different" is a reference towards Tsukuyomi only.


Anyways as for the only other relevant point his hands were at his side exactly when the jutsu was cast if not a second after (its quick jutsu) again... you really think he forms a hand-sign than flops his hands to his sides? Despite him holding the other hand-signs for a relative amount of time?

Not to mention he showed no handsigns when the masks were in his body so if it were the jutsu that needed hand-signs it would have been done there. Honestly the hand-sign is probably one with Kakuzu's EGF only that is needed to push the chakra into the external masks. Notice how both the fuuton and the katon used the same ONE hand-sign. He probably pushed chakra into the fuuton and raiton heart firstly which is why the raiton had no hand-seal.

Which means that once chakra is pushed in they can do whatever with it (still controlled by Kakuzu).

 

[Icelerate]

Restriction: Susanoo.

Condition: Kakuzu featless mask can use Suiton: Great-waterfall (same scale as his other elements).

Intel: Full for Kakuzu. Basic for Itachi.

The reason why I disliked this post was because you made Kakuzu look bad and now see what you've done.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmaoooo even I can realize your arguments are thinning KG.

You have to disturb your chakra flow as Jiraiya said, as YOU said he told Naruto to stop the flow because thats how Kai works, he clearly in the next scan states that the chakra needs to be disturb to break the Genjutsu. Kai is one way of doing this but not the only, which now makes it quite clear why Sakura inputting chakra broke Naruto out of genjutsu.

And the way you need to do that is by stopping the chakra flow, otherwise Jiraiya wouldn't have said stop in the first place. He would've simply said to disturb it. Don't cut out the part of the scan that disproves your argument. :lol Regardless of whether or not it's stop or disturb or disrupt your argument remains invalid.

Anyways Kakuzu can push chakra into his hearts when they are outside the body, they come in and disturb the flow with that chakra which is now a separate nature, literally we can't know for sure what exactly happens but we have given so many possibilities that you have shot down for some shoddy scan that you weren't even reading correctly.

All this fanfiction man. Lmao. I'll wait for you to prove the bold cause this is how it works.

-Kakuzu runs his chakra through his hearts.
-The hearts then utilize said Ninjutsu.

Where is this "he pushes chakra into the hearts and then the hearts use it for Genjutsu Kai or they store it until he gets caught in Genjutsu" fanfiction coming from? Where is the proof they can manipulate chakra like that on their own which is the main thing you've yet to actually prove? Having chakra is pointless when Kakuzu's input is needed to use it.

And no, the only one not reading properly would be you as usual. Jiraiya states that to counter Genjutsu is to control and stop your chakra flow, and if you can't do it on your own you need to have someone else touch you,

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-Zero evidence he can disturb or disrupt his chakra flow with this idiotic method you keep pushing with no evidence.
-Zero evidence he can stop his chakra flow.
-Stop acting like there is a difference between disrupt and disturb. You get no points here.

-Hearts come in and the chakra has to now stop and flow through an entirely new piece of the network that determines chakra nature (this disturbs the chakra flow)

You must be desperate if you think repeating the same argument that you failed to prove is going to get you anywhere. I'm not even sure if I'm actually seeing what I think I'm seeing here. To think you of all people would reach, grasp and ignore this hard. You can add as many fluff words as you want to the argument it won't change the fact that you have zero proof that his entire chakra flow becomes disrupted because of him switching his hearts. What happens in his heart area is irrelevant to the flow in it's entirety.

-Heart comes in with chakra already pushing through the heart (which means it has a different nature) thus simulating what Sakura did to Naruto

Fanfiction. You've yet to actually prove the hearts can manipulate chakra on their own so why would having chakra let them use it to perform Genjutsu Kai?

-Heart simply switches and the physiological changes break Genjutsu, Chiyo stated that pain is enough to break 3t genjutsu and before you say anything Kakashi saying "Itachi is different" is a reference towards Tsukuyomi only.

Physiological changes aren't synonymous with pain. Proof that Kakuzu switching hearts or a heart rejoining his body is a painful process for him? :lol

Anyways as for the only other relevant point his hands were at his side exactly when the jutsu was cast if not a second after (its quick jutsu) again... you really think he forms a hand-sign than flops his hands to his sides? Despite him holding the other hand-signs for a relative amount of time?

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No. He's not holding his hand sign for Zukkoku here. Like I said. All his jutsu require his input if they are not in his body. You are grasping at straws here and it's pretty evident. Raiton: Gian is not special or exempt from this rule.

Not to mention he showed no handsigns when the masks were in his body so if it were the jutsu that needed hand-signs it would have been done there.

Which doesn't prove your point and only helps mine. The only time he can utilize jutsu without hand signs are when the masks are merged with his body. When they are on their own his input is needed.

Honestly the hand-sign is probably one with Kakuzu's EGF only that is needed to push the chakra into the external masks. Notice how both the fuuton and the katon used the same ONE hand-sign. He probably pushed chakra into the fuuton and raiton heart firstly which is why the raiton had no hand-seal.

Based on literally nothing. The Fuuton and Katon had their own separate hand sign made when it was time to utilize said jutsu, and the underlined is literally baseless. Literally no basis at all besides the conclusion. :lol Which isn't a valid piece of evidence.

Which means that once chakra is pushed in they can do whatever with it (still controlled by Kakuzu).

*Sigh* As usual, no. You are wrong and it's painfully obvious considering how far we are reaching:

-Hearts break Kakuzu out of Ninjutsu.
-Ignoring the fact hand signs are needed for his masks when they are separated from him.
-Giving the hearts controlled by Kakuzu feats of 100% sapient shinobi.
-Switching hearts causes his entire chakra flow to be disrupted even though you don't even have proof of how this switch works, something you keep ignoring whenever it's brought up.

This is exactly what you do when Kakuzu vs. Hebi Sasuke is argued. You start reaching and grasping at straws. (Kakashi=Sasuke in speed, Curse Mark being a small boost etc) Oh yeah, and you seem to think that the typical "make an assertion then support it" rule doesn't apply to you.

 

[Booker]

Genjutsu is manipulating the chakra flowing into the target's brain to mess with their senses. Thus the way to stop Genjutsu is to cut off the flow of chakra to the brain so the illusion ends.

It makes absolutley no sense to suggest ADDING chakra to the system would stop Genjutsu, because if any chakra were added that chakra ALSO gets manipulated as it is sent to the brain.

The only way to stop a Genjutsu is to stop/interrupt the flow of chakra briefly so the illusion ends. Adding new chakra isn't going to do either of those things, so I have no idea how new hearts being added to Kakuzu is supposed to accomplish this.