No, your arguments are stupid because they make no sense. It's not based on the beholder is based on what the Manga states, something you people clearly don't read. Start making arguments that make sense and maybe they won't be ridiculed. Every time you try some nonsense match up like this you rely on terrible logic and argumentation. For example:
And yet you just tried to refuted that Kakuzu was capable of detaching his body at will, which you outright denied then argument that it isnt part of the manga, foh. So yeah clearly my statement and your own logic does applies to you.
-Kakuzu's hand burrowed underground so him and his Masks can use Hiding Like a Mole. lol Do I even need to explain what is wrong with this? Make good/semi good arguments or don't post at all. Especially when you want to start complaining about wank. People like you are why debating is tedious for some people. You take manga supported fact, deny it and then you take the same Manga and twist it into your favor over and over and over and over again.
Yes you do, if you want me to take your post as serious. And to start a proper discussion for the match, the whole point of forums/thread. Then refute the claim.
Explain to me:
-Why partner method doesnt work for Kakuzu against Genjutsu, according to you me twisting manga.
-Why my claims I used to support of him using Earth jutsu, is wrong since is just me twisting manga.
Otherwise, yes you are just a circle jerker, attitude/negativity energy issue, and cutthroat opinionator users you truly make yourself to be.
And yet you just tried to refuted that Kakuzu was capable of detaching his body at will, which you outright denied then argument that it isnt part of the manga, foh. So yeah clearly my statement and your own logic does applies to you.
Yes you do, if you want me to take your post as serious. And to start a proper discussion for the match, the whole point of forums/thread. Then refute the claim.
Explain to me:
-Why partner method doesnt work for Kakuzu against Genjutsu, according to you me twisting manga.
-Why my claims I used to support of him using Earth jutsu, is wrong since is just me twisting manga.
Otherwise, yes you are just a circle jerker, attitude/negativity energy issue, and cutthroat opinionator users you truly make yourself to be.
I asked you to provide evidence for your claim and you didn't. Someone else had to do so. Does that change the fact your arguments in this thread and any thread as a whole are trash? No. Like I said, don't make shit arguments and cry when people call out those arguments for being shit. That goes to you and everyone else who does the same. I wonder why you don't see people making at least somewhat plausible arguments crying about how people shit on their argument. :lol
I'm going to address your nonsense arguments in hopes you will actually argue like you have common sense instead of doing what you tried to do last time, ignore and twist what the Manga states to benefit your nonsense as if admitting you make no sense will kill you. :lol
Simply because you and others are under cutting the fact that Genjutsu isn't working with a character who can do partner method. And based on a manga fact that partner method counters this hard, then no it isn't a balance match, when Itachi has zero ways of putting him down.
The dude has 4 beings link to him, which can act as a separate organism from him. Literally any of the four inside of him can break him out just as simple as a perfect jinjuriki.
Interweaving one's life with the battlefront
Squirming jet black tentacles!!
Using chakra to manipulate black tentacles produced from inside the body itself, this grotesque technique allows for remote attacks. This allows Kakuzu to use a strategy without having to wait for the right oppertunity. Also, by using the tentacles to steal the hearts of other people, one takes in their respective chakra natures, allowing the use of techniques requiring any of the basic five elemental natures. This also gives the user semi-permanent longevity.
↓Tentacles with sharp pointed ends can also be used as sutures...
[picture of Kakuzu using his tentacles to stitch Hidan's head back on]
[picture of Kakuzu using his tentacles to separate his arm from his body, allowing him to cancel the Shadow Imitation Shuriken]
↑By detaching it from the main body, the arm can move about freely like a separate living creature...!!
[picture of Kakuzu showing off his tentacles]
↑By changing freely into, for instance, an elongated shape, one can turn any circumstances into their advantage. When Kakuzu is using "Earth Grudge Fear," he has no blind spots...
*The names of Kakuzu's techniques don't make much sense at first sight. This is because Kishimoto took the names from the legendary mecha anime "Mobile Suit Gundam" (機動戦士ガンダム, Kidou Senshi Gandamu), slightly altered them in some cases, and thought of kanji for them. Jiongu comes from the MSN-02 Zeong (ジオング, Jiongu), a mecha that can detach its arms for ranged attacks. The arms remains attached to the main body with wires.
Spoiler: Jujutsu: Shiji Hyouketsu
are heats that contain chakra natures. Nothing more, nothing less. Kakuzu's masks are his hearts attached to his threads which are stated to be
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. Whether or not they are connected to his body is irrelevant. Everytime Kakuzu is about to use a Ninjutsu w/ his hearts HE needs to make the hand sign. [
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] They can move on their own but where is the evidence they can manipulate chakra on their own? Where is the evidence that they can manipulate said chakra to break Kakuzu out of any kind of Genjutsu?
Oh wait. It doesn't exist. Being able to move autonomously=/=being able to manipulate chakra autonomously when the only reason they can use Ninjutsu is because of Kakuzu himself.
And while we are at it if I factor in the MS none of this is an option as Tsukuyomi is a one shot due to the fact he can't break it. Lives are irrelevant because he doesn't need to use Tsukuyomi to kill as shown by it's usage against Sasuke and Kakashi. If Itachi wants to he can simply incapacitate him allowing him to finish him off with ease.
So yes Itachi can avoid these jutsu with ease, doesnt change the fact that he is limited to where he can go right after. Especially when Kakuzu has jutsu that was built to take the opponents footing via Zukokku leaving Itachi vulnerable mid air. And a jutsu pack with massive pressure, even if missed, sending you flying in the air. (which also a good follow up for Zukokku , which can increase the flames size instead of its intensity). Which also, literally summoning crows in this fight are literally ineffective for this match up.
Where are you getting this stuff from? :lol Is there a shockwave type effect from the blast? Obviously. Enough to make it hard for Itachi to dodge a follow up attack? No, obviously not since Kakashi got grazed the jutsu and was still able to evade it.
Zukkoku travels along the ground, but that doesn't mean Itachi needs to jump in mid air to dodge it. Especially since Ino, Shikamaru and Choji already dodged it without needing to make themselves vulnerable in mid air, and in the event he had to jump it'd be a jump where he doesn't jump unnecessarily high.
Itachi easily and effortlessly evades all of Kakuzu's Ninjutsu, makes his way towards his body and ends it w/ Genjutsu. Or for your match up he simply lights him on fire with Amaterasu.
Name any shadow clone user has been as cunning as Naruto's usage? Lol zero. You can't name any Clone user that would have risk their life, mixing in with their own clones to execute their plan. Kakuzu failing to see Naruto do something stupid in his eyes, doesnt make him dumb. Then theres the fact that Kakuzu feared his jutsu, didnt enable him to think straight the first time. What does 3T Itachi have that makes him as scared as FRS? Nothing.
Ha. What a bad excuse. Where did Kakuzu show fear of Naruto's technique? He showed caution and the two are not the same thing. Kakuzu was shown thinking out his plan on panel. How did you come to the conclusion that "he didn't think straight"? :lol. I know, you are twisting what the Manga shows AGAIN.
What Naruto did in that situation wasn't anything special. He had a clone hold a fake FRS because he knew Kakuzu would ignore the other clones and target that one, allowing the rest, including the original, to get him from behind. Basically a diversion. Itachi doesn't have FRS, but he has the same shadow clones, a more strategic mind than the guy who already played Kakuzu, far more speed than said shinobi who already played him (speed that can catch the likes of
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even with a Katon and Shadow clone Diversion) and untraceable hand seals.
You thinking its not a legit counter by using illegitimate reasoning doesnt help. The jutsu works of Itachi's line of sight. So what happens when Itachi can only target what he see via shield of Jingou. Then he is literally going to burn a shield of Jingou obviously. But apparently this is considering wank using logic and reasoning.
And then we have this terrible argument. Like I've already stated, sure, he can block the first attempt with his threads but the second attempt kills him. Not to mention Amaterasu would eat through his threads in practically an instant so there's no way that he detaches them before flame ignites his actual body, especially since threads are cloth and they are all connected to his body.
And what happens if Itachi uses Amaterasu like he did against Sasuke's Katon? Continuously creating it until the target is burned through completely? :lol He dies as your strategy then becomes completely moot.
-Amaterasu starts to be used.
-Kakuzu covers himself with threads.
-Amaterasu is used, eats and spreads through the threads and ignites the rest of Kakuzu's body.
-Then he dies.
Although it doesnt help Kakuzu, if Itachi decides to lock on him the second round shot, I already addressed Kakuzu's option, to take advantage by going underground (though full intel only needs to try this in one shot anywhere). Itachi locked-on (away from LoS) can get wacked by Kakuzu, simply by having his hearts travel, grab him and subjugate him from underground assault. Which he can follow up with them underground too, using Jingou spares as a decoy, much like Sasuke's substitution.
And he can't do that, so this counter is useless. There's also the fact that the only reason he has a chance of surviving the first shot is because of the build up, second shot has no such drawback. Not to mention you are going to have to explain what exactly you mean with the rest of this.
I used to think Kakuzu counter Shikimaru shadow was basically his arm digging underground but it seems pretty clear at this point that Kakuzu (along with Mask) can actually use HLM jutsu. Simply because when one normally digs the ground, they leave a trail of what they broken down via as Shikimaru end up taking advantage of in the Chunin exam from Naruto. HLM doesnt always leave holes as when Deidara and Obito shown but Kabuto and Kakashi did, going in.
Uh, no. That's Doton. Only Kakuzu can use Doton. His masks can only use the elements that the hearts possess, and none of those are Doton. So we can forget about the masks being able to use Hiding Like a Mole. The Databook states that Kakuzu can separate his arm from his body allowing it to act as a separate living creature. Now tell us how his arm on it's own can use Ninjutsu? :lol Oh wait, it can't. So we can forget about him using Hiding Like a Mole. And your argument for why this is the case also makes no sense. Kakuzu released his arm while he was in the smoke cloud. Based on their positioning, the fact they slid straight back to escape the smoke and the fact Kakuzu released his arm while in the smoke
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area is where Kakuzu's arm burrowed into the ground. More specifically it'd be somewhere behind this tree.
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So how would the hole even be visible? And if we are using that line of argumentation:
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The hole Kakuzu's arm burrowed out of is also invisible despite us being capable of seeing said hole when it was shown emerging.
"seems pretty clear" My ass.
Your match up is a one sided rape. 3-Tomoe Itachi wins as Amaterasu isn't needed and if he can catch Kakuzu in Tsukuyomi then he'll be able to catch him w/ regular Genjutsu which is more than he needs to open Kakuzu up to a finishing attack(s)
-Feats say that Itachi is above Kakuzu's paygrade regardless of Susanoo and would spank him in combat.
-Portrayal says the same thing.
-Stop arguing this dumb match up.
Honestly I feel at 91 years of age Kakuzu being caught and solo'd in a genjutsu is less than likely, not to mention he has counters to it anyways but I mean when you start using genjutsu solo's arguments it kind of proves you're reaching at this point.
Honestly I feel at 91 years of age Kakuzu being caught and solo'd in a genjutsu is less than likely, not to mention he has counters to it anyways but I mean when you start using genjutsu solo's arguments it kind of proves you're reaching at this point.
Agreed, when you're arguing a guy who knows about the sharingan and all its tricks and has been around since the first hokage falls for simple sharingan genjutsu 5 times they're reaching hard af itachi doesnt have the stamina to win case closed any other argument is retarded
Yeah because of genjutsu and amaterasu. Do you think the masks could free him of any genjutsu? They weren't show to be capable of reacting to sitmuli like that.
Yeah because of genjutsu and amaterasu. Do you think the masks could free him of any genjutsu? They weren't show to be capable of reacting to sitmuli like that.
They can easily, and its not even hard genjutsu controls the chakra network and Kakzu has five of them within him that he can alternate in-between. Granted he keeps 3 of them outside of his body but the 4th is a doton heart (I am now sure of this) and he keeps it within his body because using the chakra network of the earth shinobi allows him to use domu on his real body. All Kakuzu needs to do is keep the doton heart within himself and the chakra networks would change themselves. If the hearts are programmed to become the main heart when input from Kakuzu ceases (or however you want to explain it) it should still be the same when they are within his body as well, so if Kakuzu falls for a genjtsu his chakra network is switched almost instantly and he breaks from it easily, Itachi would probably be just as caught off guard as Kakashi was in other circumstances.
I can break it down in simplier terms most likely if you need but I gota finish the team debate post atm.
Who are you? What was I debating? An "I feel like" statement is merely that, a statement. Not that you ever get to say anything because not once have you posted anything valuable in this section :lol
An "I feel like" statement is merely that, a statement. Not that you ever get to say anything because not once have you posted anything valuable in this section :lol
if by posting valuble you mean arguing age is a factor against Genjutsu when two 70 y.o shinobi's [with actual genjutsu feats;had an uchiha as their team mate;one of the also had sharingan] were already caught in illusion then nope i haven't :lol
Why should that matter
if by posting valuble you mean arguing age is a factor against Genjutsu when two 70 y.o shinobi's [with actual genjutsu feats;had an uchiha as their team mate;one of the also had sharingan] were already caught in illusion then nope i haven't :lol
Age = Experience it took Deidara a mere 3-4 years at most to completely nullify 3t genjutsu, no reason Kakuzu who literally was fighting a war against the leaf (or something close to it) when it was heavily populated by Uchiha couldn't achieve something similar or at least have some major knowledge on it..... when did this happen? If you're in any way referring to what I think you're referring to I'll know to never reply to you again....
Kakuzu is diedara now who was canonically said to train his left eye to nullify sharingangenjutsu[
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no reason Kakuzu who literally was fighting a war against the leaf (or something close to it) when it was heavily populated by Uchiha couldn't achieve something similar or at least have some major knowledge on it.....
Honestly I feel at 91 years of age Kakuzu being caught and solo'd in a genjutsu is less than likely, not to mention he has counters to it anyways but I mean when you start using genjutsu solo's arguments it kind of proves you're reaching at this point.
You sound ridiculous. Orochimaru is a ninja portrayed to be far superior with a far better standing than Kakuzu yet Itachi raped him with Genjutsu.
The only ones reaching are the ones who think a ninja like Kakuzu can beat a ninja like Itachi despite Manga making it clear that Genjutsu is the most dangerous part of his arsenal. "It doesnt work cause i said so" is not a valid arguement. :lol
@Dizzldot: Same goes for you. "Itachi doesnt have the stamina to win". Do you even realize how dumb that sounds?
You sound ridiculous. Orochimaru is a ninja portrayed to be far superior with a far better standing than Kakuzu yet Itachi raped him with Genjutsu.
The only ones reaching are the ones who think a ninja like Kakuzu can beat a ninja like Itachi despite Manga making it clear that Genjutsu is the most dangerous part of his arsenal. "It doesnt work cause i said so" is not a valid arguement. :lol
@Dizzldot: Same goes for you. "Itachi doesnt have the stamina to win". Do you even realize how dumb that sounds?
True that actually :lol although Oro has a demeanor that seems to be more susceptible to genjutsu than Kakuzu does, however it doesn't matter as he physically has a pretty clear counter to 3t genjutsu overall.
No offense, but that doesn't make sense. If he's absorbing copious amounts of chakra and grows stronger in proportion to that amount, then how would it not significantly increase his combat capabilities? That said, I agree with your premise, but these reactionary feats that he's accomplished without excess chakra doesn't reflect how Kisame would perform in ninjutsu when pivoting on his own chakra.
You misunderstood what I wrote. I'm saying just because Kisame grows stronger in proportion to the chakra he absorbs doesn't provide reasoning to say Kisame's innate capabilities are weak. In lack of better words, Kisame doesn't have to rely on his opponents chakra in order to fight on a high level. Samehada is absorbing the chakra, not Kisame. We can gauge how much chakra Samehada is carrying by it's size. For the third time here, Kisame didn't utilize any of Bee's chakra that Samehada absorbed until using the WD. So until that point, Kisame was relying on his own capabilities, as all of the absorbed chakra resided within Samehada, not Kisame.
You're throwing me around in a circle with the bolded. I just finished explaining that Kisame can very easily change the landscape, utilize Mizu Bunshins (1/10th his chakra for each), and use other Suiton techniques without a hint of exhaustion at only 30% his normal capacity. There shouldn't be any questioning on what Kisame can accomplish while pushing his full capacity to it's limit.
Nagato's chakras are also monstrous as well, but Deva Path's abilities were inhibited depending on the amount of chakra he partitioned among the Paths. If he partitioned 1/6 of his chakra, he exhibited power that couldn't kill Kakashi with sheer power alone. With 1/2 of his chakra partitioned, he could demolish three Boss Sized Toads simultaneously. Chakra certainly does have a significant impact on one's capabilities and this was why Jiraiya chose to capitalize on Naruto's gargantuan stamina and why Pain's abilities fluctuated dependng on the amount of chakra Deva Path possessed.
And Kisame so happens to have the most amount of chakra in the Akatsuki. Your only aiding my assertion that Kisame is well above Kakuzu's league. His already monstrous levels of chakra, in addition to when he steals his opponents chakra to become even stronger, while the opponent becomes weaker.
Well, I didn't mean to cause a Kisame vs. Kakuzu debate, but I wholeheartedly agree with most of this.
One thing to consider is that Kisame's portrayal didn't seem so favorable when he fought Roshi. It's explicitly shown that Samehada struggled with consuming a large quantity of heat energy and being forced on rely on his own reserves due to Yoton led to Kisame performing rather horribly against Roshi who was substantially weaker than Bee. I think that in itself would suggest that Kisame wasn't portrayed to be one of the top dogs unless he was augmented by an abundancy of chakra and weakened his opponent as a result which was the obvious case with Bee.
Let's be very clear here. You do not agree with me, if you're also endorsing ToshiZo's non manga informed post. Kisame is in fact portrayed, hyped, and supported by feats to be well above Kakuzu. If you want to challenge me on that, then by all means, make a separate thread. I wouldn't mind discussing that with you, because you're not one to flagrantly deny, butcher, and misconstrue the manga in favor what you wish to believe.
Kisame performed rather horribly? Please take a look at Kisame in comparison to Roshi, and remind me where you came up with that conclusion.
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Only thing you can possibly conclude there is that Roshi was a formidable foe, which is nothing for Kisame to be ashamed about. We don't have a measuring point for Roshi's strength in comparison to anyone else besides Kisame, so how does this downplay Kisame's portrayal? He could very well be stronger then Kakuzu for all we know. The very fact that he was a troublesome opponent for Kisame, is actually a testament of his own strength, and not lack there of for Kisame. Just because Kakuzu and Hidan took down Yugito doesn't mean all imperfect Jins are comparable in strength. It took Deidara high difficulty and the cost of losing his arm to defeat a competent imperfect Jin in Gaara, and that victory was largely because Gaara had to defend his village from the interference of the C3 bomb. It visually took Kisame far less trouble then that to defeat Roshi. All in all, you're operating from too much conjecture here. There is nothing that puts Kakuzu on the same level as Kisame portrayal, hype, and feat wise.
You misunderstood what I wrote. I'm saying just because Kisame grows stronger in proportion to the chakra he absorbs doesn't provide reasoning to say Kisame's innate capabilities are weak. In lack of better words, Kisame doesn't have to rely on his opponents chakra in order to fight on a high level. Samehada is absorbing the chakra, not Kisame. We can gauge how much chakra Samehada is carrying by it's size. For the third time here, Kisame didn't utilize any of Bee's chakra that Samehada absorbed until using the WD. So until that point, Kisame was relying on his own capabilities, as all of the absorbed chakra resided within Samehada, not Kisame.
You're throwing me around in a circle with the bolded. I just finished explaining that Kisame can very easily change the landscape, utilize Mizu Bunshins (1/10th his chakra for each), and use other Suiton techniques without a hint of exhaustion at only 30% his normal capacity. There shouldn't be any questioning on what Kisame can accomplish while pushing his full capacity to it's limit.
And Kisame so happens to have the most amount of chakra in the Akatsuki. Your only aiding my assertion that Kisame is well above Kakuzu's league. His already monstrous levels of chakra, in addition to when he steals his opponents chakra to become even stronger, while the opponent becomes weaker.
Let's be very clear here. You do not agree with me, if you're also endorsing ToshiZo's non manga informed post. Kisame is in fact portrayed, hyped, and supported by feats to be well above Kakuzu. If you want to challenge me on that, then by all means, make a separate thread. I wouldn't mind discussing that with you, because you're not one to flagrantly deny, butcher, and misconstrue the manga in favor what you wish to believe.
Kisame performed rather horribly? Please take a look at Kisame in comparison to Roshi, and remind me where you came up with that conclusion.
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Only thing you can possibly conclude there is that Roshi was a formidable foe, which is nothing for Kisame to be ashamed about. We don't have a measuring point for Roshi's strength in comparison to anyone else besides Kisame, so how does this downplay Kisame's portrayal? He could very well be stronger then Kakuzu for all we know. The very fact that he was a troublesome opponent for Kisame, is actually a testament of his own strength, and not lack there of for Kisame. Just because Kakuzu and Hidan took down Yugito doesn't mean all imperfect Jins are comparable in strength. It took Deidara high difficulty and the cost of losing his arm to defeat a competent imperfect Jin in Gaara, and that victory was largely because Gaara had to defend his village from the interference of the C3 bomb. It visually took Kisame far less trouble then that to defeat Roshi. All in all, you're operating from too much conjecture here. There is nothing that puts Kakuzu on the same level as Kisame portrayal, hype, and feat wise.
He stated Roshi gave him trouble, and Kisame can recover stamina so "visually" isn't really applicable here. Other points can be disputed but for what its worth Kisame had much more thought and time in him from Kishi than Kakuzu by far.
Not to mention Kakuzu was also portrayed to go through Akatsuki partners (by killing them) like a runny nose goes through tissues :lol so the fact that Pain still had him remain within the organization says something at least, nevermind the fact that he killed that many strong enough to get in the Akatsuki.
I asked you to provide evidence for your claim and you didn't. Someone else had to do so. Does that change the fact your arguments in this thread and any thread as a whole are trash? No. Like I said, don't make shit arguments and cry when people call out those arguments for being shit. That goes to you and everyone else who does the same. I wonder why you don't see people making at least somewhat plausible arguments crying about how people shit on their argument. :lol
I'm going to address your nonsense arguments in hopes you will actually argue like you have common sense instead of doing what you tried to do last time, ignore and twist what the Manga states to benefit your nonsense as if admitting you make no sense will kill you. :lol
Only thing correct about this is that hands sign are required for nature transformation such as Zukokku, Gian, and Atsugai. Their actual nature release has already shown to be independent when Kakuzu was capturing Kakashi (separated from Kakuzu). And also shown to be independent (without hand seals) merged with Kakuzu against Naruto clone.
Oh wait. It doesn't exist. Being able to move autonomously=/=being able to manipulate chakra autonomously when the only reason they can use Ninjutsu is because of Kakuzu himself.
And while we are at it if I factor in the MS none of this is an option as Tsukuyomi is a one shot due to the fact he can't break it. Lives are irrelevant because he doesn't need to use Tsukuyomi to kill as shown by it's usage against Sasuke and Kakashi. If Itachi wants to he can simply incapacitate him allowing him to finish him off with ease.
That is true. But Itachi has no idea how his immortality works so, once Itachi kills him once, after incapacitated from Tsukuyomi, he comes back again with his body reset.
Where are you getting this stuff from? :lol Is there a shockwave type effect from the blast? Obviously. Enough to make it hard for Itachi to dodge a follow up attack? No, obviously not since Kakashi got grazed the jutsu and was still able to evade it.
Zukkoku travels along the ground, but that doesn't mean Itachi needs to jump in mid air to dodge it. Especially since Ino, Shikamaru and Choji already dodged it without needing to make themselves vulnerable in mid air, and in the event he had to jump it'd be a jump where he doesn't jump unnecessarily high.
Where is your evidence? Kakashi has shown 2 ON PANEL TIME needing avoid the floor. While you are speculating Team10 landing mark position. They already landed, while Zombie Duo specifically targeted Kakashi for their combo.
Itachi easily and effortlessly evades all of Kakuzu's Ninjutsu, makes his way towards his body and ends it w/ Genjutsu. Or for your match up he simply lights him on fire with Amaterasu.
In order to make it towards his body is to bypass the elements range, so he can't be the on ground for this to work. But yeah mid air Amaterasu could get the job done.
Ha. What a bad excuse. Where did Kakuzu show fear of Naruto's technique? He showed caution and the two are not the same thing. Kakuzu was shown thinking out his plan on panel. How did you come to the conclusion that "he didn't think straight"? :lol. I know, you are twisting what the Manga shows AGAIN.
What Naruto did in that situation wasn't anything special. He had a clone hold a fake FRS because he knew Kakuzu would ignore the other clones and target that one, allowing the rest, including the original, to get him from behind. Basically a diversion. Itachi doesn't have FRS, but he has the same shadow clones, a more strategic mind than the guy who already played Kakuzu, far more speed than said shinobi who already played him (speed that can catch the likes of
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even with a Katon and Shadow clone Diversion) and untraceable hand seals.
He had a jutsu which made Kakuzu put all of his focus to take out the jutsu itself. The only jutsu that would put Kakuzu in that kind of mindset/defense is Itachi setting up an Ammy, which Itachi cant split up his chakra via clones to do. Anything else in Itachi's entire arsenal gets tanked, bar MS jutsus.
And then we have this terrible argument. Like I've already stated, sure, he can block the first attempt with his threads but the second attempt kills him. Not to mention Amaterasu would eat through his threads in practically an instant so there's no way that he detaches them before flame ignites his actual body, especially since threads are cloth and they are all connected to his body.
Where did you get that they are as durable as cloth? It took blades to rip through his flesh, but Raikiri to rip through them (with actual chakra manipulating/augmented threads) when Kakashi could of easily not waste chakra here. Also had resistance to Deidara taking partial of the blast from his own jutsu, with Jingou attached to his arm. None of these example explains it resisting the black flames but it sure as hell explain it being as durable as flesh. Which Enton/Ammy has encounter plenty of time without it actually turning them to ash instantly. So I have no good reason to believe it will burn the threads, along with Kakuzu instantly.
And what happens if Itachi uses Amaterasu like he did against Sasuke's Katon? Continuously creating it until the target is burned through completely? :lol He dies as your strategy then becomes completely moot.
That would require Itachi to aim at Kakuzu's Katon, that follow his LoS to grow and extend that way. Amaterasu size is based on the users LoS. Thought everyone knew this by now.
And he can't do that, so this counter is useless. There's also the fact that the only reason he has a chance of surviving the first shot is because of the build up, second shot has no such drawback. Not to mention you are going to have to explain what exactly you mean with the rest of this.
Uh, no. That's Doton. Only Kakuzu can use Doton. His masks can only use the elements that the hearts possess, and none of those are Doton. So we can forget about the masks being able to use Hiding Like a Mole.
There is no rule that states this iirc. But yes, logically this rule follow, so Im not denying this. It also fits logically that they can still access Kakuzu's primary nature to an extent either. As manga has shown you can still learn a nature without it being your primary.
The Databook states that Kakuzu can separate his arm from his body allowing it to act as a separate living creature. Now tell us how his arm on it's own can use Ninjutsu? :lol Oh wait, it can't. So we can forget about him using Hiding Like a Mole. And your argument for why this is the case also makes no sense.
You serious? Tell me how Deidara with NO ARMs can still use ninjutsu via HLM? Oh wait he can, as the DB description states that the jutsu works just by channeling chakra into the ground, making it like fine sand to "swim".
Kakuzu released his arm while he was in the smoke cloud. Based on their positioning, the fact they slid straight back to escape the smoke and the fact Kakuzu released his arm while in the smoke
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area is where Kakuzu's arm burrowed into the ground. More specifically it'd be somewhere behind this tree.
Only thing correct about this is that hands sign are required for nature transformation such as Zukokku, Gian, and Atsugai. Their actual nature release has already shown to be independent when Kakuzu was capturing Kakashi (separated from Kakuzu). And also shown to be independent (without hand seals) merged with Kakuzu against Naruto clone.
They are merged with Kakuzu, not using hand signs is irrelevant as they aren't independent. They are apart of his body so I'm not sure why you brought that up. Not to mention the same thing was the case when he captured Kakashi. The only time he hasn't used hand signs is when he's already directly connected to his hearts. When they are out of his body on their own he's used hand signs to manipulate their chakra. Every. Single. Time.
That is true. But Itachi has no idea how his immortality works so, once Itachi kills him once, after incapacitated from Tsukuyomi, he comes back again with his body reset.
Why does Itachi have to kill him? Incapacitating him is all the effort he needs to end this match. Not to mention basic intel tells him that Kakuzu has some sort of immortality, assuming basic intel refers to what he would have in canon, and he knows very well why Kakuzu and Hidan were paired together.
Where did I say it will be hard for Itachi to dodge a following attack?
You said he's limited as to where he can go next. If those aren't the same thing or along similar lines then my bad.
Where is your evidence? Kakashi has shown 2 ON PANEL TIME needing avoid the floor. While you are speculating Team10 landing mark position. They already landed, while Zombie Duo specifically targeted Kakashi for their combo.
There is no "specifically targeting" someone when the jutsu in use is that wide. The scan shows Team 10 sliding across the ground, so common sense tells you that they simply dashed/jumped backwards, but not high enough to actually make them vulnerable. Itachi easily does the same.
In order to make it towards his body is to bypass the elements range, so he can't be the on ground for this to work. But yeah mid air Amaterasu could get the job done.
No reason why he can't. Kakuzu's jutsu don't stop Itachi from advancing toward his position, they only slow him down.
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He had a jutsu which made Kakuzu put all of his focus to take out the jutsu itself. The only jutsu that would put Kakuzu in that kind of mindset/defense is Itachi setting up an Ammy, which Itachi cant split up his chakra via clones to do. Anything else in Itachi's entire arsenal gets tanked, bar MS jutsus.
Already explained why that mind set is irrelevant anyway.
Where did you get that they are as durable as cloth? It took blades to rip through his flesh, but Raikiri to rip through them (with actual chakra manipulating/augmented threads) when Kakashi could of easily not waste chakra here. Also had resistance to Deidara taking partial of the blast from his own jutsu, with Jingou attached to his arm. None of these example explains it resisting the black flames but it sure as hell explain it being as durable as flesh. Which Enton/Ammy has encounter plenty of time without it actually turning them to ash instantly. So I have no good reason to believe it will burn the threads, along with Kakuzu instantly.
I never said they are as durable as cloth. They simply have no durability feats, at all.
-Took blades to rip through his flesh....so? :lol.
-Took Raikiri to rip through them? No. More like Kakashi used Raikiri to tear them, not that he needs a piercing/cutting ability on par with Raikiri to cut them. As if that'd matter anyway. Amaterasu can burn the Hachibi's clone down to it's Bijuu Mode in a minute. Threads are nowhere near that level in terms of durability. And I never said it burns the threads and Kakuzu instantly. I said it burns the threads and then ignites Kakuzu before he can detach them all.
That would require Itachi to aim at Kakuzu's Katon, that follow his LoS to grow and extend that way. Amaterasu size is based on the users LoS. Thought everyone knew this by now.
Lmao. You need to read before you reply. I never mentioned Kakuzu's Katon. I said what if he uses it AGAINST KAKUZU like he did against Sasuke's Katon.
If Itachi focus is flaming Kakuzu, Kakuzu can take advantage of heart/mask, or his arm to catch Itachi underneath him.
Focus? Lmao. He'd need to be able to get them underground without Itachi's knowing in the first place, which he won't be able to do before he's hit, nor will he do it while he's being raped by Amaterasu.
There is no rule that states this iirc. But yes, logically this rule follow, so Im not denying this. It also fits logically that they can still access Kakuzu's primary nature to an extent either. As manga has shown you can still learn a nature without it being your primary.
Why would the heart possess any other nature besides the one it came with? Maybe Kakuzu himself could learn the Earth Element but that doesn't mean that his masks can do the same thing. And no, the bold doesn't fit logically nor is it supported by anything. Kakuzu uses his chakra to use their nature transformations, so how would that allow them to access his own?
You serious? Tell me how Deidara with NO ARMs can still use ninjutsu via HLM? Oh wait he can, as the DB description states that the jutsu works just by channeling chakra into the ground, making it like fine sand to "swim".
How does Deidara using the jutsu w/ no arms change the fact that an arm without a chakra network can use said jutsu? Deidara w/ no arms can still channel chakra through his body. An arm separated from Kakuzu's body isn't an arm that can produce Ninjutsu, it's just an arm. So how can said arm use the Earth Release and then use Hiding Like a Mole?
You are responding like I stated "you need arms to use this jutsu" even though if you actually read what that said carefully enough you'd realize that isn't even close to what I'm saying.
The very scan shows the shadow overlapping the tree that Kakuzu buried his arm (as the area is still next to Hidan weapon.. With no sign of holes.
True that actually :lol although Oro has a demeanor that seems to be more susceptible to genjutsu than Kakuzu does, however it doesn't matter as he physically has a pretty clear counter to 3t genjutsu overall.
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