Kakuzu vs. Itachi

[KidGamer65]

Oh boy, 3 solid pages of circle jerking going on here.

lol please someone tell me how 3T Itachi who has even less offense than Kakashi solves the problem Kakashi could not and that is even find an opening to attack Kakuzu? He avoids most of the jutsu sure but so could Kakashi at first eventually he'll be caught simple as that, and its the way Kakuzu deals with any kind of superior speed if the opponent can't reach him with an offense.

lol @ Genjutsu

lol @ Sakura

I'm gone for not even a week smh.

Can't wait to see the Kakuzu fandom make themselves look ridiculous again.

"he gets caught simple as that"

:lol

 

[EZQ]

I'm a Kakuzu "supporter" and i find myself really ofended when people make generalizations like that. We're not all retards like zexion

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Lmao joking zex. But 3 tomoe Itachi is enough to take down kakuzu.

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[Forbidden Technique]

My God. Since when did this fanbase decide to be so garbage? And for what reason? I don't remember it ever being this bad, and on such a consistent basis.

 

[Lord Tywin]

My God. Since when did this fanbase decide to be so garbage? And for what reason? I don't remember it ever being this bad, and on such a consistent basis.

It started a while ago with them getting the bright ideas of arguing for Kakuzu against Kisame. Now it's Itachi's turn

 

[Icelerate]

My God. Since when did this fanbase decide to be so garbage? And for what reason? I don't remember it ever being this bad, and on such a consistent basis.

Okay I'll fan the flames even further.

Raiton gian is lightning which Itachi had to defend against with susanoo which he doesn't have in this thread. So Kakuzu one shots.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

It started a while ago with them getting the bright ideas of arguing for Kakuzu against Kisame. Now it's Itachi's turn

Lol, smh.

Okay I'll fan the flames even further.

Raiton gian is lightning which Itachi had to defend against with susanoo which he doesn't have in this thread. So Kakuzu one shots.

Not only that, but lol @ Itachi's genjutsu. Even though it practically one shotted Orochimaru and Deidara, those two are fodder in comparison to Kakuzu and his 90 years of experience.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

-Has entered the circle jerk-

Interesting on how opinion on the site is the eye of the beholder. This website is apparently garbage because it goes against their own option. 2) Opinions is based off a person defending a character.

Good for yall. I find this website lack of interest with the same circle jerker, same attitude/negativity energy, and cutthroat opinionated users of this site. Which then rubs on everyone else to act the same.

But yeah I'm sure that you guys dont add any of those problem for this site.

 

[Icelerate]

Interesting on how opinion on the site is the eye of the beholder. This website is apparently garbage because it goes against their own option. 2) Opinions is based off a person defending a character.

Good for yall. I find this website lack of interest with the same circle jerker, same attitude/negativity energy, and cutthroat opinionated users of this site. Which then rubs on everyone else to act the same.

But yeah I'm sure that you guys dont add any of those problem for this site.

Yeah the website is pretty boring but that's for three reasons.
1. Most of the good members left.
2. The manga ended and the stuff that came afterwards was either awful or simply not interesting.
3. Fanboys/haters make the website suck as well.

I'd post some more interesting stuff but I'm pretty bored so sorry for the circle jerk/trolling or whatever you want to call it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao look at this guy. Imagine thinking people think this fanbase is garbage because of your opinions. The fanbase is garbage because of the reasoning behind their opinions. Don't make stupid arguments and then complain about wank.

 

[NarutoX28]

It started a while ago with them getting the bright ideas of arguing for Kakuzu against Kisame. Now it's Itachi's turn

Well yeah, it'd be pretty ridiculous to assume that Kakuzu would win against the Kisame that everyone remembers, the one that was vitalized by almost all of the Hachibi's Chakra and had access to a Gargantuan Water Source that could blanket V2 Manda.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Well yeah, it'd be pretty ridiculous to assume that Kakuzu would win against the Kisame that everyone remembers, the one that was vitalized by almost all of the Hachibi's Chakra and had access to a Gargantuan Water Source that could blanket V2 Manda.

As if that has anything to do with why Kisame is regarded by the majority to be beyond Kakuzu's league. Even so, the only time Kisame utilized the Hachibi's chakra was for the WD. That doesn't stand to say Kisames feats before, during, or after that point relied upon it.

 

[NarutoX28]

As if that has anything to do with why Kisame is regarded by the majority to be beyond Kakuzu's league. Even so, the only time Kisame utilized the Hachibi's chakra was for the WD. That doesn't stand to say Kisames feats before, during, or after that point relied upon it.

It sort of does considering Kisame's most notable performances within the manga were due to his enhanced chakra reserves which even

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. If people are claiming that Kisame's feats eclipses Kakuzu's, it makes me question what feats they're referring to because the only feats Kisame has demonstrated without the Hachibi's chakra was the water source that he exhibited with 30% of his chakra.

Maybe you can shed some light on this hazy subject, but I seriously don't understand how one feat of Kisame barfing an ocean would somehow convince somebody that Kisame's feats outstrips Kakuzu's unless they're operating under a misconception that Kisame was literally under "normal conditions" when he fought Gai.

 

[EZQ]

Man Kisame is such a beast.

And he stomps Kakuzu with his feats against KB. With less chakra Kakuzu could push it to low diff at most.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

It sort of does considering Kisame's most notable performances within the manga were due to his enhanced chakra reserves which even

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. If people are claiming that Kisame's feats eclipses Kakuzu's, it makes me question what feats they're referring to because the only feats Kisame has demonstrated without the Hachibi's chakra was the water source that he exhibited with 30% of his chakra.

Maybe you can shed some light on this hazy subject, but I seriously don't understand how one feat of Kisame barfing an ocean would somehow convince somebody that Kisame's feats outstrips Kakuzu's unless they're operating under a misconception that Kisame was literally under "normal conditions" when he fought Gai.

Yes, Kisame becomes stronger in proportion to the amount of chakra he steals from his opponents. That doesn't, however, provide a basis to say Kisame is substantially weaker without his opponents chakra. Kisame outmaneuvering Bee in CQC and forcing him to rely on V2 mode was not due to his enhanced chakra reserves. Kisame was just that skilled and fast enough to appropriately counter Bee's every attempt with Samehada. Again, the only time the Hachibi's chakra came into play was for the WD, which isn't a necessity given everything showed and stated about his actual reserves being bijuu quantities.

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If this guy can casually change the landscape without slight indication of denting just his 30% reserves, there is no telling what he can do while pushing 100% to it's capacity, which he has never canonically had to rely on. I'm not too sure if you're attempting to compare chakra quantities and scale between the two, but it's a manga fact that Kisame possesses more chakra then Kakuzu. Then we have the fact that Kakuzu's fighting style is mostly geared towards fueling Kisame, which only makes matters worse then what they already are. It's no coincidence that Kishi had Gai fight Kisame twice in the manga. He is simply too much of a menace against opponents that rely on chakra based attacks.

The nature of the match up alone favors Kisame. Feats, hype, and portrayal favor Kisame. I'm telling you right now, this isn't much of a contest, and it's not hard to realize that either. All off topic though.

 

[NarutoX28]

Yes, Kisame becomes stronger in proportion to the amount of chakra he steals from his opponents. That doesn't, however, provide a basis to say Kisame is substantially weaker without his opponents chakra. Kisame outmaneuvering Bee in CQC and forcing him to rely on V2 mode was not due to his enhanced chakra reserves. Kisame was just that skilled and fast enough to appropriately counter Bee's every attempt with Samehada. Again, the only time the Hachibi's chakra came into play was for the WD, which isn't a necessity given everything showed and stated about his actual reserves being bijuu quantities.

No offense, but that doesn't make sense. If he's absorbing copious amounts of chakra and grows stronger in proportion to that amount, then how would it not significantly increase his combat capabilities? That said, I agree with your premise, but these reactionary feats that he's accomplished without excess chakra doesn't reflect how Kisame would perform in ninjutsu when pivoting on his own chakra.

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Nagato's chakras are also monstrous as well, but Deva Path's abilities were inhibited depending on the amount of chakra he partitioned among the Paths. If he partitioned 1/6 of his chakra, he exhibited power that couldn't kill Kakashi with sheer power alone. With 1/2 of his chakra partitioned, he could demolish three Boss Sized Toads simultaneously. Chakra certainly does have a significant impact on one's capabilities and this was why Jiraiya chose to capitalize on Naruto's gargantuan stamina and why Pain's abilities fluctuated dependng on the amount of chakra Deva Path possessed.

If this guy can casually change the landscape without slight indication of denting just his 30% reserves, there is no telling what he can do while pushing 100% to it's capacity, which he has never canonically had to rely on. I'm not too sure if you're attempting to compare chakra quantities and scale between the two, but it's a manga fact that Kisame possesses more chakra then Kakuzu. Then we have the fact that Kakuzu's fighting style is mostly geared towards fueling Kisame, which only makes matters worse then what they already are. It's no coincidence that Kishi had Gai fight Kisame twice in the manga. He is simply too much of a menace against opponents that rely on chakra based attacks.

The nature of the match up alone favors Kisame. Feats, hype, and portrayal favor Kisame. I'm telling you right now, this isn't much of a contest, and it's not hard to realize that either. All off topic though.

Well, I didn't mean to cause a Kisame vs. Kakuzu debate, but I wholeheartedly agree with most of this.

One thing to consider is that Kisame's portrayal didn't seem so favorable when he fought Roshi. It's explicitly shown that Samehada struggled with consuming a large quantity of heat energy and being forced on rely on his own reserves due to Yoton led to Kisame performing rather horribly against Roshi who was substantially weaker than Bee. I think that in itself would suggest that Kisame wasn't portrayed to be one of the top dogs unless he was augmented by an abundancy of chakra and weakened his opponent as a result which was the obvious case with Bee.

 

[ToshiZO]

Kisame never recieved any superior portrayal to Kakuzu let's stop there. Not even hype.

Kisame got his ass whooped throughout the manga by Gai while Kakashi who was always portrayed as Gai's equal or above got ragdolled by Kakuzu.

Kakashi the same guy Itachi told Kisame to lay off of because he was gonna suffer injuries, was being manhandled.

The way the akatsuki two man cells work are they are supposed to be balanced. Kisame was the clear inferior of his cell. Just like every cell had a clearly portrayed stronger member Kisame was always portrayed as Itachi's lackey, which isn't the worst thing considering how strong Itachi is but again Kakuzu had legit one of the weakest akatsuki members and he was able to carry that team to existence. To go infiltrate konoha and take on Bijuus. Do what any other team is expected to do.

I don't think some people here know how portrayal works. Kisame was never portrayed as the top dog some people here want to believe, he basically called himself a fodder to the sannin from day 1.

No matter how much some of you wish your fanfic portrayal of Kisame was in there, its not in this manga.

Now I'm just going to wait for someone to reply with " but..but Killer Bee" unfortunately that doesn't draw any direct comparisons with Kakuzu, not even applicable.

His portrayal < Kakuzu < Sasori.

 

[NarutoX28]

Kisame never recieved any superior portrayal to Kakuzu let's stop there. Not even hype.

Kisame got his ass whooped throughout the manga by Gai while Kakashi who was always portrayed as Gai's equal or above got ragdolled by Kakuzu.

Kakashi the same guy Itachi told Kisame to lay off of because he was gonna suffer injuries, was being manhandled.

The way the akatsuki two man cells work are they are supposed to be balanced. Kisame was the clear inferior of his cell. Just like every cell had a clearly portrayed stronger member Kisame was always portrayed as Itachi's lackey, which isn't the worst thing considering how strong Itachi is but again Kakuzu had legit one of the weakest akatsuki members and he was able to carry that team to existence. To go infiltrate konoha and take on Bijuus. Do what any other team is expected to do.

I don't think some people here know how portrayal works. Kisame was never portrayed as the top dog some people here want to believe, he basically called himself a fodder to the sannin from day 1.

No matter how much some of you wish your fanfic portrayal of Kisame was in there, its not in this manga.

Now I'm just going to wait for someone to reply with " but..but Killer Bee" unfortunately that doesn't draw any direct comparisons with Kakuzu, not even applicable.

His portrayal < Kakuzu < Sasori.

Reps on recharge.

 

[BLAZE]

kisame takes dump on both hidan and kakuzu at same time

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Lmao look at this guy. Imagine thinking people think this fanbase is garbage because of your opinions. The fanbase is garbage because of the reasoning behind their opinions. Don't make stupid arguments and then complain about wank.

Which I already stated base on the beholder. You think my arguments were stupid based on your reason behind it. While you had people (not me because I'm not wasting my time) clarifying character abilities you try to undercut. So yeah I am going to complain about your "stupidity" that you try to throw on anyone else. Since they are good reasons not to participate or be interested in going on these forums.

 

[KidGamer65]

Which I already stated base on the beholder. You think my arguments were stupid based on your reason behind it. While you had people (not me because I'm not wasting my time) clarifying character abilities you try to undercut. So yeah I am going to complain about your "stupidity" that you try to throw on anyone else. Since they are good reasons not to participate or be interested in going on these forums.

No, your arguments are stupid because they make no sense. It's not based on the beholder is based on what the Manga states, something you people clearly don't read. Start making arguments that make sense and maybe they won't be ridiculed. Every time you try some nonsense match up like this you rely on terrible logic and argumentation. For example:

-Kakuzu's hand burrowed underground so him and his Masks can use Hiding Like a Mole.

:lol Do I even need to explain what is wrong with this? Make good/semi good arguments or don't post at all. Especially when you want to start complaining about wank. People like you are why debating is tedious for some people. You take manga supported fact, deny it and then you take the same Manga and twist it into your favor over and over and over and over again.

Of course it's only the people who's arguments get dragged through the mud who complain about people not respecting their "opinion". You never see anyone who isn't actually talking out of their ass when they post complain about that because they know their "opinions" are actually backed by Manga fact. Don't ask anyone to respect your opinion when you literally make shit up.

:lol