Kakuzu vs. Itachi

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Both of those retards were arguing with me about something stupid in one of the Akatsuki threads a couple weeks ago. It baffles me how someone can overrate a character that's potential has literally been shown to be shit tier.

Ninjutsu that are slow as hell.
Terrible "speed" feats (I think the only speed feat he really has is "blitzing" an unaware Kakashi who thought he killed him with Raikiri through the heart. That isn't even blitzing. Hebi Sasuke vs Deidara & Tobi is blitzing.)

What do you think about 3T/Base Itachi vs Kakuzu?
I've argued that Sakura would be able to evade Kakuzu's ninjutsu and 3T Itachi is on an even higher level of speed so I agree with you in that regard.

Well 3T Itachi can't break through domu, which Kakuzu will be forced to camp in, but wouldn't sharingan genjutsu force him to remove it? The only way I see Kakuzu winning is if he uses domu and closes his eyelids but that's a silly way of winning the fight.

Kakuzu should be able to beat base Itachi with a struggle.
 

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I've argued that Sakura would be able to evade Kakuzu's ninjutsu and 3T Itachi is on an even higher level of speed so I agree with you in that regard.

Well 3T Itachi can't break through domu, which Kakuzu will be forced to camp in, but wouldn't sharingan genjutsu force him to remove it? The only way I see Kakuzu winning is if he uses domu and closes his eyelids but that's a silly way of winning the fight.

Kakuzu should be able to beat base Itachi with a struggle.

He's an idiot. War-arc Sakura is superior in speed to Ino/Choji/Shikamaru who evaded 2/3 of his projectile-based Ninjutsu. You didn't even need to take it that far tbh. He's just senselessly wanking because Kakuzu is probably his favorite character.

Yeah, Itachi can't break through Domu through physical methods, but through illusionary methods he can with ease. This is why Itachi is basically the most broken character in the manga, his Genjutsu can project exact reality, making it almost impossible to realize you're in said Genjutsu unless you have one of the doujutsu/sensory abilities.

Closing his eyes? Not even. Itachi uses Ephemeral, and Kakuzu is caught in a Genjutsu without eye contact. Fighting with his eyes closed has got to be the most illogical response, did one of the Kakuzu "debaters" suggest this? Kakuzu has SM sensing now like Madara to fight blind? All of these retarded feats given to him by his "fans" lol.

I honestly don't seem Base Itachi losing to Kakuzu. Even if he did lose it'd be high-extremely high. I seriously just can't see it though.


 

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I'm glad someone else said it. 3T Itachi is more then enough for Kakuzu.

His Shunshin is obviously better then Kakashi's, so he'd be able to avoid Kakuzu's attacks with ease, without being able to be traced. His clone feints are leagues about Naruto's, who managed to trick Kakuzu twice. Unless Kakuzu closes his eyes with Domu, Genjutsu hard counters. And if he does close his eyes, the masks will be easily taken out if Kakuzu previously released them.

Anything MS related makes it a stomp.
 

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So, the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true. This error in reasoning is often expressed with influential rhetoric.
Too bad that doesnt apply in this scenario try hard lmfao, I didnt say anything will work because not unproven, I said nothing we say can be proven

That's literally what you claimed if you said it cannot be proven just because it wasn't explicitly shown.
 

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That's literally what you claimed if you said it cannot be proven just because it wasn't explicitly shown.

No, your fallacy dictates I say something is true because it cannot be proven false. I said it cannot be proven true because it never happened which is not that fallacy you used it may be another one but it remains you misused that.
 

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No, your fallacy dictates I say something is true because it cannot be proven false. I said it cannot be proven true because it never happened which is not that fallacy you used it may be another one but it remains you misused that.

You stated that their argument was practically false because it hasn't been proven true. That's literally Argumentum ad Ignorantiam or at least your argument pivots on that fallacy because you're claiming that what's explicitly shown is the only substantial evidence we can use which is false.
 

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You stated that their argument was practically false because it hasn't been proven true. That's literally Argumentum ad Ignorantiam or at least your argument pivots on that fallacy because you're claiming that what's explicitly shown is the only substantial evidence we can use which is false.

I'm not giving you a crash course in college logic buddy you used it wrong
 

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I don't see why itachi couldn't just dodge the attacks until he get's an inevitable opening with a clone feint/or amat.
 
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Man where do I begin.

This should be changed to 3T Itachi vs Kakuzu honestly. I've no idea what gave the OP the idea that this was a "balanced" battle.

Simply because you and others are under cutting the fact that Genjutsu isn't working with a character who can do partner method. And based on a manga fact that partner method counters this hard, then no it isn't a balance match, when Itachi has zero ways of putting him down.

The dude has 4 beings link to him, which can act as a separate organism from him. Literally any of the four inside of him can break him out just as simple as a perfect jinjuriki.

Itachi can perform Genjutsu that takes on a reality aspect.

This is what I already addressed when someone brought that up. Making Kakuzu think is reality doesnt change the fact that Kakuzu is still froze in real time. So obviously, before the match even begins, Kakuzu can simply give commands to his other entities to break him out if he ever in a froze state. So no Kakuzu needs zero understanding that he is in Genjutsu when his entities can do that for him.

All of his techniques were shown to be shit tier speed. They were all omninous, but the speed severely lacked. If Shikamaru, Choji, and Ino had time to react how do you think Itachi would?? It's not hard to use your brain.

I dont think anywhere here thinks a simple element jutsu blast to the face takes out Itachi. What I wanted to point out here is that this is horrible logic to say his jutsu are pitiful for that reason. The only jutsus thats known for its speed launch , in basic element jutsu, is literally Raiton. There are no other basic elements has even has a good stream speed launch, so dont even try to name one. What these element jutsu are good for, at least high level element users, is basically covering a wide range, limiting places for the opponent to fight on. Same logic as fighting Gaara and same logic fodder shinobi statement and reaction in countering Madara's own Katon . Doesnt mean their jutsu is pitful lol.

So yes Itachi can avoid these jutsu with ease, doesnt change the fact that he is limited to where he can go right after. Especially when Kakuzu has jutsu that was built to take the opponents footing via Zukokku leaving Itachi vulnerable mid air. And a jutsu pack with massive pressure, even if missed, sending you flying in the air. (which also a good follow up for Zukokku , which can increase the flames size instead of its intensity). Which also, literally summoning crows in this fight are literally ineffective for this match up.

Kakuzu being Hashirama's age obviously hasn't done him any good if he got fooled by a shadow clone feint

Name any shadow clone user has been as cunning as Naruto's usage? Lol zero. You can't name any Clone user that would have risk their life, mixing in with their own clones to execute their plan. Kakuzu failing to see Naruto do something stupid in his eyes, doesnt make him dumb. Then theres the fact that Kakuzu feared his jutsu, didnt enable him to think straight the first time. What does 3T Itachi have that makes him as scared as FRS? Nothing.


Lol? Kakuzu being able to detach his threads isn't even a legit counter to Amaterasu. Please tell them to stop the Kakuzu wank (I already know I'm going to get a whole bunch of dislikes from them watch). Itachi was even shown to use Amaterasu on two different targets simultaneously. Who's to say Itachi won't simply use Amaterasu on separate locations of Kakuzu's body? Or just use it on his head?

You thinking its not a legit counter by using illegitimate reasoning doesnt help. The jutsu works of Itachi's line of sight. So what happens when Itachi can only target what he see via shield of Jingou. Then he is literally going to burn a shield of Jingou obviously. But apparently this is considering wank using logic and reasoning.

Although it doesnt help Kakuzu, if Itachi decides to lock on him the second round shot, I already addressed Kakuzu's option, to take advantage by going underground (though full intel only needs to try this in one shot anywhere). Itachi locked-on (away from LoS) can get wacked by Kakuzu, simply by having his hearts travel, grab him and subjugate him from underground assault. Which he can follow up with them underground too, using Jingou spares as a decoy, much like Sasuke's substitution.

I used to think Kakuzu counter Shikimaru shadow was basically his arm digging underground but it seems pretty clear at this point that Kakuzu (along with Mask) can actually use HLM jutsu. Simply because when one normally digs the ground, they leave a trail of what they broken down via as Shikimaru end up taking advantage of in the Chunin exam from Naruto. HLM doesnt always leave holes as when Deidara and Obito shown but Kabuto and Kakashi did, going in.

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Stop the wank (I already know I'm going to get a whole bunch of dislikes from them watch).

The irony.
 
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lol please someone tell me how 3T Itachi who has even less offense than Kakashi solves the problem Kakashi could not and that is even find an opening to attack Kakuzu? He avoids most of the jutsu sure but so could Kakashi at first eventually he'll be caught simple as that, and its the way Kakuzu deals with any kind of superior speed if the opponent can't reach him with an offense.

lol @ Genjutsu

lol @ Sakura

I'm gone for not even a week smh.
 

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Dizzldot said:
So, the fallacy that a proposition is true simply on the basis that it has not been proved false or that it is false simply because it has not been proved true. This error in reasoning is often expressed with influential rhetoric.
Too bad that doesnt apply in this scenario try hard lmfao, I didnt say anything will work because not unproven, I said nothing we say can be proven.

Dizzldot said:
No, your fallacy dictates I say something is true because it cannot be proven false. I said it cannot be proven true because it never happenedwhich is not that fallacy you used it may be another one but it remains you misused that.

Yeah, that's a blatant contradiction with the bold.
 

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Yeah, that's a blatant contradiction with the bold and that's excluding the fact that you stated, "I didn't say anything will work because not unproven," yet blundered by arguing, "I said it cannot be proven true because it never happened."

Didnt read at all, just saw contradict and I'm saying idc if I did I care that you used the fallacy wrong.
Ya boi don't care the base is dying and my brain is frying unless you want me to solo shelke then my sentence structure:sdo3::th::pkun::elmo::pkool: will sorely be felt
 

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Didnt read at all, just saw contradict and I'm saying idc if I did I care that you used the fallacy wrong.
Ya boi don't care the base is dying and my brain is frying unless you want me to solo shelke then my sentence structure:sdo3::th::pkun::elmo::pkool: will sorely be felt

Yet you're preconceptions on Argumentum ad Ignorantiam did not match with your later conceptions of that fallacy. It's okay if you changed your mind, but don't try to neglect it and act as if you didn't change your argument in the first place.
 

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Yet you're preconceptions on Argumentum ad Ignorantiam did not match with your later conceptions of that fallacy. It's okay if you changed your mind, but don't try to neglect it and act as if you didn't change your argument in the first place.

Im telling you that you're wrong google the fallacy, right now your message is filled with....Mallacy?
 

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Oh boy, 3 solid pages of circle jerking going on here.
 

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Im telling you that you're wrong google the fallacy, right now your message is filled with....Mallacy?

I did and it literally aligns perfectly to what I'm claiming. Do you even google by any chance?
 
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