Kakuzu vs Gai

[KidGamer65]

hen formed into a physical doton that coats the user.

-Claims that Domu is just a layer of Doton coating the user.
-DB states it only hardens the skin..

:lol

 

[Zexion~]

-Claims that Domu is just a layer of Doton coating the user.
-DB states it only hardens the skin..

:lol

Hardens skin with Doton.......The chakra has to go somewhere :lol but I worded it wrong

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Alright, Alright I have one perfectly logical argument.

You're saying that sending doton chakra throughout the body and hardening it (basically making a doton .-.) Won't keep the properties of earth, but yet we have the Raikage's who send RAITON CHAKRA throughout their bodies and it keeps the same properties of raiton/lightening which we can see because it boosts nerves?

Its a fricking doton, it is using and hardening DOTON CHAKRA it is an EARTH RELEASE JUTSU, which we all know aren't flammable, if a flame encounters it its tanked or it busts through the defense but never does it catch fire.

It changes color because DOTON CHAKRA is being added ( Irdk where its placed, above, below or integrated into the skin) then formed into a physical doton that coats the user.

Physical doton's aren't flammable. Yes it makes it harder BY DISTRIBUTING DOTON THROUGHOUT THE BODY.


Edit- It didn't light the sharks of water on fire though, it was the force that destroyed them, we already know Domu can tank the force.

No, I'm saying exactly what the manga and databook is describing it to be. They both say he is hardening his skin and body. It's that simple. That doesn't imply that because it's Doton chakra, that his skin has to take on the properties of actual rock. Rocks aren't impervious to physical attacks to begin with, so it doesn't correlate with what the manga is saying at all. Raiton Chakra Shroud stimulates the nervous system, stated by the manga and databook. That's how it works. When has anyone gotten electricuted by physical contact with it? They should, due to it's supposed lightening properties, but they don't. Same thing with Doton Domu.

@ bold, neither is skin. Just goes to show how hot the flames from Morning Peacock must be. Again, smoke arised from the burning of Kakuzu's skin while Doton Domu was activated, just like how smoke arrised from the burning of Sakuras skin. The jutsu very simply just hardens his skin. That's it.

 

[Zexion~]

No, I'm saying exactly what the manga and databook is describing it to be. They both say he is hardening his skin and body. It's that simple. That doesn't imply that because it's Doton chakra, that his skin has to take on the properties of actual rock. Rocks aren't impervious to physical attacks to begin with, so it doesn't correlate with what the manga is saying at all. Raiton Chakra Shroud stimulates the nervous system, stated by the manga and databook. That's how it works. When has anyone gotten electricuted by physical contact with it? They should, due to it's supposed lightening properties, but they don't. Same thing with Doton Domu.

@ bold, neither is skin. Just goes to show how hot the flames from Morning Peacock must be. Again, smoke arised from the burning of Kakuzu's skin while Doton Domu was activated, just like how smoke arrised from the burning of Sakuras skin. The jutsu very simply just hardens his skin. That's it.

Botom doesn't make sense but lets say I agree with you, what's stopping Kakuzu's fuuton from merely putting out the flame? Its large enough to do so without enhancing it. Should be viable to snuff the flames out.

It doesn't even look like Kisame's on fire tbh.....It just looks like he's trapped in a ball of flame

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Flames point of origin is clearly encompassing him, not actually ON Him. (Gai's hands also don't seem to be getting very burned.... :lol)

Raikage's send raiton CHAKRA throughout their bodies not actual lightning, yet it keeps raiton properties. At least I thought so.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Botom doesn't make sense but lets say I agree with you, what's stopping Kakuzu's fuuton from merely putting out the flame? Its large enough to do so without enhancing it. Should be viable to snuff the flames out.

It doesn't even look like Kisame's on fire tbh.....It just looks like he's trapped in a ball of flame

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Flames point of origin is clearly encompassing him, not actually ON Him. (Gai's hands also don't seem to be getting very burned.... :lol)

Raikage's send raiton CHAKRA throughout their bodies not actual lightning, yet it keeps raiton properties. At least I thought so.

Listen, I'm not very interested in going back and fourth for hours. You either agree or disagree... Doesn't really matter to me. So here's the last response.

With your Kisame point, I don't see what's the difference. Either way, the victim is going to be exposed by the extreme heat. Gai punches like a 100 times per second, so at best his arms were exposed for a few seconds. I said if Kakuzu sits there and camps Doton Domu all day while being exposed by extreme heat, the heart(s) will eventually shut down. In other words, a good couple of minutes. Not mere seconds. If the fire progressively let's out, then Gai repeat. He should be capable of using Morning Peacock a good number of times given his feats.

If Kakuzu has his Fuuton Mask out, then sure that would work. But my scenerio is under the assumption that either all of his hearts are still trapped within Kakuzu's body, or they are already destroyed.

Again, no it doesn't keep all it's Raiton properties. Else, it would shock and numb someone on contact - which it doesn't.

 

[Zexion~]

Listen, I'm not very interested in going back and fourth for hours. You either agree or disagree... Doesn't really matter to me. So here's the last response.

I brought in new points >.>

With your Kisame point, I don't see what's the difference. Either way, the victim is going to be exposed by the extreme heat. Gai punches like a 100 times per second, so at best his arms were exposed for a few seconds. I said if Kakuzu sits there and camps Doton Domu all day while being exposed by extreme heat, the heart(s) will eventually shut down. In other words, a good couple of minutes. Not mere seconds. If the fire progressively let's out, then Gai repeat. He should be capable of using Morning Peacock a good number of times given his feats.

If the flames on Gai only lasted a few seconds why are you suggesting that they'll last on Kakuzu long enough to get this extreme temperature? -.- Every time the fire goes out the temperature would revert back to normal, or it should.

No, not a good number of times :lol 2-3 times max and Kakuzu can negate it every time.

If Kakuzu has his Fuuton Mask out, then sure that would work. But my scenerio is under the assumption that either all of his hearts are still trapped within Kakuzu's body, or they are already destroyed.

He can use the jutsu when the heart is within his body..... ( Do I need to show you scans of him doing so before) If you don't think it would encompass him he just has to fire it upwards, Or Kakuzu changes its figuring with threads so it faces him. When in his back they aren't "trapped"

Again, no it doesn't keep all it's Raiton properties. Else, it would shock someone on contact - which it doesn't.

Didn't it shock Mei's water dragon? Doesn't matter i'm saying the internal chakra keeps raiton properties if its accelerating nerves.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nope. I think I'll take what Kishi stated about the jutsu over what you believe. It works by sending Doton chakra throughout the body to harden his skin. That doesn't mean that it turns his skin into actual rock. It's appearance doesn't resemble anything of a rock; and it wouldn't even make sense to begin with, because earth/rock isn't by any means impervious to physical attacks. Doton Domu works just like how it was stated by both the manga and databook - it simply hardens his skin and body.

He's immune to the physical attacks of 6G Gai, but his heart(s) aren't impervious to the gradual increase of temperature in his body while being incinerated by flames capable of taking out Suiton techniques.

I have no idea what you guys are arguing about. But everything you said says nothing about me believing in anything different.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I brought in new points >.>



If the flames on Gai only lasted a few seconds why are you suggesting that they'll last on Kakuzu long enough to get this extreme temperature? -.-

No, not a good number of times :lol 2-3 times max and Kakuzu can negate it every time.



He can use the jutsu when the heart is within his body..... ( Do I need to show you scans of him doing so before) If you don't think it would encompass him he just has to fire it upwards, Or Kakuzu changes its figuring with threads so it faces him. When in his back they aren't "trapped"




Didn't it shock Mei's water dragon? Doesn't matter i'm saying the internal chakra keeps raiton properties if its accelerating nerves.

Bruhhhhh, I can't keep doing this shit. It's just a Naruto debate, lmao. I ain't into this shit like I used to be. LAST ONE.

Gai could move, and could obviously put it out himself.. If Kakuzu is using a full body Doton Domu, he can't do anything. Yes, Gai can use Morning Peacock a good number of times. He used the one against Kisame, and then immediately followed it with Hirudora no problem. In the war-arc he used Hirudora despite already being exhausted and at his limit, which implies it doesn't require a whole lot of physical energy.

Then Gai would simply destroy the mask, if it's not inside of him and protected by Domu. Yes, with a Suiton source... but not upon contact unlike Sasuke's Chidori Nagashi, for example. The properties behind lightening is supposed to electricute, is it not? The point is, it doesn't carry all of it's elemental properties. And yes, that is because that is the mechanics behind the jutsu - to stimulate the nerves (stated by the manga and databook). Doton Domu's mechanics is to simply harden his skin. Nothing more, nothing less.

You burnt me out on this one.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

As analytical as Kakuzu is, he could simply hide an arm underground and wait until Guy spam MP, as the majority claim Guy's victory point. The arm chokes him from behind. Done deal.

 

[Zexion~]

Bruhhhhh, I can't keep doing this shit. It's just a Naruto debate, lmao. I ain't into this shit like I used to be. LAST ONE.

:lol I'll just put in my last one as well.

Gai could move, and could obviously put it out himself.. If Kakuzu is using a full body Doton Domu, he can't do anything. Yes, Gai can use Morning Peacock a good number of times. He used the one against Kisame, and then immediately followed it with Hirudora no problem. In the war-arc he used Hirudora despite already being exhausted and at his limit, which implies it doesn't require a whole lot of physical energy.

I'll stick to the fuuton.

Pretty sure the gates give you a boost in Stamina but only for a limited time, then it drops off dramatically afterwards. Its literally overflowing you with chakra/stamina. Like O.Dng on a drung the effects are great but temporary.

Then Gai would simply destroy the mask, if it's not inside of him and protected by Domu.

I'm assuming he'd want to avoid the fuuton.....After he avoids it, its placed back into his back although again don't see why it cant be used from there anyways.

Rinse and repeat.

Yes, with a Suiton source... but not upon contact unlike Sasuke's Chidori Nagashi, for example. The properties behind lightening is supposed to electricute, is it not? The point is, it doesn't carry all of it's elemental properties. And yes, that is because that is the mechanics behind the jutsu - to stimulate the nerves (stated by the manga and databook). Doton Domu's mechanics is to simply harden his skin. Nothing more, nothing less.

-.- I suppose

You burnt me out on this one.

Idk why I tried making it so complicated at first.

Anyways, with a constant supply of fuuton Gai can't keep the flames up for long, plus if Gai's beating on Kakuzu with MP Kakuzu could do the same thing I said with the fuuton except for striking Gai while he's occupied with Kakuzu (especiially since you said he wouldn't be directly hitting Kakuzu here along with him being blinded by the wall of flames. I think the mask would be safe if the the threads merely turn it around behind Kakuzu.


@EJ Gated guy can wrestle a hand off of his throat my man.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

@EJ Gated guy can wrestle a hand off of his throat my man.

Ok, and Kakuzu doesn't do nothing of an opening.