Kakuzu vs Gai

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:lol no you're being arrogant and taking the manga as bible.
Which I rightfully should considering we are arguing about what happened in the manga.

-Kishi ****ed up by leaving the colorings, as he's done so in the past
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-Denying what's been shown in the manga.
-Justifying that with "Kishi f*cked up" because he believes his own interpretation trumps the author's.

-You didn't explain how he's looking at shikamaru clearly and then his head is CLEARLY looking at Hidan
Because both Shikamaru and Hidan are within Kakuzu's field of vision. Simple. He doesn't have to turn his body or his head to look at the other.

-Once you activate Domu it's invoked every time the user attacks
Not sure what you mean by this.

-We clearly see his arms move, and his head is clearly trying to turn around when he gets hit/when he's about to get hit

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Or MAYBE...Domu doesn't completely 100% immobilize the target, and instead allows a little bit of limited movement? Ever considered that possibility? Surprised you're denying this because it just makes Domu more OP and you generally tend to agree with any argument that makes Kakuzu more powerful.

As ft would say instead of using manga scans to fabricate a point lets look at what Kishi wrote.
I'm fabricating nothing. You are denying manga panels so I'm right and you're wrong.

"jutsu is evoked at the moment of the attack" you only really have to make the hand seal once and the jutsu remains active :lol
Doton Domu is NOT Gaara's sand. It doesn't automatically activate unless Kakuzu activates it. The caption under that picture says it was invoked at the moment of attack, because in that instance, Kakuzu activated it right before the attack hit him.

Honestly didn't need to go in this much detail as you linked the scans but didn't read it clearly.
You're the one who didn't read it clearly because you're blatantly denying manga panels.

I'm surprised you know this little about your favorite character.
 

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Which I rightfully should considering we are arguing about what happened in the manga.



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-Denying what's been shown in the manga.
-Justifying that with "Kishi f*cked up" because he believes his own interpretation trumps the author's.



Because both Shikamaru and Hidan are within Kakuzu's field of vision. Simple. He doesn't have to turn his body or his head to look at the other.



Not sure what you mean by this.



Or MAYBE...Domu doesn't completely 100% immobilize the target, and instead allows a little bit of limited movement? Ever considered that possibility? Surprised you're denying this because it just makes Domu more OP and you generally tend to agree with any argument that makes Kakuzu more powerful.



I'm fabricating nothing. You are denying manga panels so I'm right and you're wrong.



Doton Domu is NOT Gaara's sand. It doesn't automatically activate unless Kakuzu activates it. The caption under that picture says it was invoked at the moment of attack, because in that instance, Kakuzu activated it right before the attack hit him.



You're the one who didn't read it clearly because you're blatantly denying manga panels.

I'm surprised you know this little about your favorite character.

:lol...... I'm done here, wasn't really arguing anything tbh was just stating that it clearly shows Kakuzu moving in a few different mannarisms if you want to believe that it means he can use handseals which solos this match even harder.
 

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I didn't see till after my man.


:lol so when I bring up the databook for other points you negate it because "lol databook wanks" but of course when its in your favor you're all for it.

If somethign hardens its changing texture/form all there is to it, thanks for ignoring everything else I said btw because you're a butt hurt fan smh.

-No blood = no endothermic way to cool down the organs in the first place.

-Threads could conduct heat

^Kishi has clearly showed us that Kakuzu uses both of those factos and both of those factors infulence heat, and heat produced by fiction (Chouji's rapid spinning) didn't affect Kakuzu in the slightest. Don't give me your arrogance FT, I've stopped my Kakuzu wank a while ago.

Gai just loses. (which you never can admit :lol hypocrite ass)
Yeah, Zexion. Right, Zexion. Whatever you have to say. I have never done that, except for when your reading comprehension shits the bed and you start claiming things that was never said or implied. Lmao @ bold, I'd be here all day if I were to address each and every one of your awful argumentation. But since you politely asked, and because I'm butthurt about Gai shitting all over your fav:

Especially when we've already seen his body literally smoking with no organic damage.
His body is smoking while Domu being activated? Nice. Oh look, the same happened from the explosive tag. Cool stuff. Wait a second though, Sakura's body was smoking as well from an explosive tag [ ]. So here we have the same aftereffects from the same attack between ordinary skin and Doton Domu. Yeah, thanks for reinforcing my point.

.........The skin changes color so that's a property of something, if it just "hardened" it there would be no physical change at all.
I don't know... Perhaps because it's being coated with Doton chakra that it changed color..? Rock Lee/Gai's skin changes color due the overloading of chakra within their body. Means nothing.

Nothing but misses here.

Just because Kakuzu may have means of conducting heat doesn't equate to him surviving being engulfed in flames for minutes on end while being trapped in Doton Domu. Our bodies have ways of keeping us cool, but that doesn't mean we're impervious to having a heat stroke, for example. There is nothing suggesting Kakuzu can prevent his living functioning heart(s) from shutting down while being exposed to extreme constant heat.

Why are people using terrible reasoning. Domu is classified as Doton therefore uses Earth Nature/priorities. Saying DB states, sends chakra is as relevant as needing Raikiri to send chakra on the palm of the users hand.

6 Gate Guys attacks is as effective as the ones Domu encountered bar Raikiri
Nope. I think I'll take what Kishi stated about the jutsu over what you believe. It works by sending Doton chakra throughout the body to harden his skin. That doesn't mean that it turns his skin into actual rock. It's appearance doesn't resemble anything of a rock; and it wouldn't even make sense to begin with, because earth/rock isn't by any means impervious to physical attacks. Doton Domu works just like how it was stated by both the manga and databook - it simply hardens his skin and body.

He's immune to the physical attacks of 6G Gai, but his heart(s) aren't impervious to the gradual increase of temperature in his body while being incinerated by flames capable of taking out Suiton techniques.
 

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Yeah, Zexion. Right, Zexion. Whatever you have to say. I have never done that, except for when your reading comprehension shits the bed and you start claiming things that was never said or implied. Lmao @ bold, I'd be here all day if I were to address each and every one of your awful argumentation. But since you politely asked, and because I'm butthurt about Gai shitting all over your fav:

His body is smoking while Domu being activated? Nice. Oh look, the same happened from the explosive tag. Cool stuff. Wait a second though, Sakura's body was smoking as well from an explosive tag [ ]. So here we have the same aftereffects from the same attack between ordinary skin and Doton Domu. Yeah, thanks for reinforcing my point.



I don't know... Perhaps because it's being coated with Doton chakra that it changed color..? Rock Lee/Gai's skin changes color due the overloading of chakra within their body. Means nothing.

Nothing but misses here.

Just because Kakuzu may have means of conducting heat doesn't equate to him surviving being engulfed in flames for minutes on end while being trapped in Doton Domu. Our bodies have ways of keeping us cool, but that doesn't mean we're impervious to having a heat stroke, for example. There is nothing suggesting Kakuzu can prevent his living functioning heart(s) from shutting down while being exposed to extreme constant heat.



Nope. I think I'll take what Kishi stated about the jutsu over what you believe. It works by sending Doton chakra throughout the body to harden his skin. That doesn't mean that it turns his skin into actual rock. It's appearance doesn't resemble anything of a rock; and it wouldn't even make sense to begin with, because earth/rock isn't by any means impervious to physical attacks. Doton Domu works just like how it was stated by both the manga and databook - it simply hardens his skin and body.

He's immune to the physical attacks of 6G Gai, but his heart(s) aren't impervious to the gradual increase of temperature in his body while being incinerated by flames capable of taking out Suiton techniques.
You make the most irrelevent comparisons :lol, Salura healed herself clearly (looks like she's touching an organ) or was it Chiyo, either way that solo's your point right there.


The rest of your post is the usual BS

Kakuzu's hearts already don't function, so what you're saying is that heating them up will them not funciton......even more? Excellent logic bro.

Whole day too late to actually force me to put effort in this.
 

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You make the most irrelevent comparisons :lol, Salura healed herself clearly (looks like she's touching an organ) or was it Chiyo, either way that solo's your point right there.


The rest of your post is the usual BS

Kakuzu's hearts already don't function, so what you're saying is that heating them up will them not funciton......even more? Excellent logic bro.

Whole day too late to actually force me to put effort in this.
Yeah... Do me the favor of never quoting me over this Naruto debate shit please. Nothing but a waste of time.
 

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Yeah... Do me the favor of never quoting me over this Naruto debate shit please. Nothing but a waste of time.
:lol I adressed the points that matter. Not my fault you stuff your posts with so much crap.


-Sakura healing herself would negate any damage caused from heat

-Kakuzu's hearts already don't function properly which you yourself stated before but now you're trying to state that they heat will force them to stop functioning?
 

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:lol I adressed the points that matter. Not my fault you stuff your posts with so much crap.


-Sakura healing herself would negate any damage caused from heat

-Kakuzu's hearts already don't function properly which you yourself stated before but now you're trying to state that they heat will force them to stop functioning?
Oh look, another awful post. You done?
 

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How does Gai get past Domu Spears?!

KGB Kakuzu said:
I've been thinking over some ideas between some things that is mentioned about Kakuzu, and figured one Exploit Kakuzu theoretically should be able to pull off would be combining a small portion of his Jiongu tendrils with Doton Domu to form a multitude of at least hardened blade tipped

For starters, it is noted that Kakuzu is an Earth Style user . Which means that he should be able to use Doton techniques (I.E.- Doton: Domu). Now we are all aware of the fact that Domu restricts the movement of the body part being used, but the structure of Jiongu allows Kakuzu to bypass it.

As we noted in the last Exploit, Jiongu can be constantly extended. We also know that Doton: Domu is capable of only being partially cast. In theory, Kakuzu should be able to place an initial extension of Doton: Domu on his Jiongu threads, and then use his chakra to create extensions in these tendrils.

Because the tips of them are sharp enough to pierce through the human body, adding a diamond coating onto an extreme number of threads, at the very least, the tips would be capable acting like that of a spear tip, and the side coating of Doton: Domu would be capable of adding a physical impact if they were swung from the side. Pending the speed/velocity, in theory they could even act as swords forming a sort of "Infinite Sword Style" (name reference to Mifune of Soul Eater).
 

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Oh look, another awful post. You done?
Only thing awful is your arrogance.

Wood is flammable, what happens when you HARDEN wood? It becomes less flammable

No way to cool down his body temperature in general, yet you think his hearts are affected this badly by heat?

Heart is placed DIRECTLY next to a flame every time he uses Katon (Heart is in mask, Mask uses Flame)

Sakura healed herself after the damage she took, why are you even bringing that up? Meaning any damage done was clearly negated.

Stead of being a prick simply prove me wrong with my bad "comprehension" unless you can tell me these things aren't true.

Please tell me what has happened when flame has met Doton walls before btw, made from the same chakra Kakuzu's Domu is :lol only being less hard.
 

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How does Gai bypass physical immunity/resistance?!

Odin said:
I'll keep this short, as I need to go out pretty soon, but I felt like sharing something that crossed my mind with you...

Like we know, the insides Kakuzu's body almost solely exist out of the threads of the Jiongu, as seen multiple times, the most notable confirmation being when Izumo and Kotetsu cut him up in the Shinobi World War, revealing his insides, which were simply nothing but bundles of threads. [ - ] Now, something that caught my attention recently was an incident in the manga, which occurred after Kakuzu's second 'Death', where he was lying on the ground, lifeless. Like you know, the masks ran up to his body with the intention of merging with it, only to be attacked by an enlarged Choji, who slammed his (Chakra boosted) palms on both of them, smashing even the ground in the process. [ ] However, like we later see, the masks were not even slightly affected by the blow, having been able to finish their mission without problem, mergin with Kakuzu's body. [ ] Now, since that's the case, one might ask himself, how would Kakuzu, who's body is very similar to the bodies of the masks themselves, be affected by an attack of a similar caliber? The most sensible answer would be that he would not be affected much at all. After all, the Jiongu seems to replace almost all organs and insides with the black threads, so how would one manage to damage a person, who's body almost solely consists of those black threads, with a physical attack? Personally, I don't see how it'd be possible. You might as well try to injure a bag of hair, the results would be the same.
 

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Yeah don't know why I took this clown seriously tbh.

Just going to stick with one argument if he ever posts again smh.

Was wrong about the healing though.
 
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Only thing awful is your arrogance.

Wood is flammable, what happens when you HARDEN wood? It becomes less flammable

No way to cool down his body temperature in general, yet you think his hearts are affected this badly by heat?

Heart is placed DIRECTLY next to a flame every time he uses Katon (Heart is in mask, Mask uses Flame)

Sakura healed herself after the damage she took, why are you even bringing that up? Meaning any damage done was clearly negated.

Stead of being a prick simply prove me wrong with my bad "comprehension" unless you can tell me these things aren't true.

Please tell me what has happened when flame has met Doton walls before btw, made from the same chakra Kakuzu's Domu is :lol only being less hard.
You need to take a look at yourself before anything else.

How do you harden wood? The thicker the wood, the less flammable it is. Skin is skin, and it was canonically set aflame by Morning Peacock. Making it harder changes nothing.

By constant exposure to extreme heat...? Yes. Nothing implies otherwise.

That is not constant exposure to heat. The mask fires a single fireball, and that's it.

No she didn't. Look at the manga panels for once. The explosive tag detonated, which resulted in smoke arrising from her body (burning). Same exact thing that occured when the explosive tag exploded on Domu.

I don't recall any clash between Katon and Doton occuring in the manga, but the flames from Morning Peacock are so strong that they were taking out Kisames Shark Bombes, despite having the elemental disadvantage and not being augmented with chakra (which only implies that it is extremely hot).

Yeah don't know why I took this clown seriously tbh.

Just going to stick with one argument if he ever posts again smh.

Was wrong about the healing though.
Don't go there with me. Especially when your entire argumentation has been trash from the start.
 
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You need to take a look at yourself before anything else.

How do you harden wood? The thicker the wood, the less flammable it is. Skin is skin, and it was canonically set aflame by Morning Peacock. Making it harder changes nothing.

By constant exposure to extreme heat...? Yes. Nothing implies otherwise.

That is not constant exposure to heat. The mask fires a single fireball, and that's it.

No she didn't. Look at the manga panels. The explosive tag detonated, which resulted in smoke arrising from her body (burning). Same exact thing that occured when the explosive tag exploded on Domu.

I don't recall any clash between Katon and Doton occuring in the manga, but the flames from Morning Peacock are so strong that they were taking out Kisames Shark Bombes, despite having the elemental disadvantage and not being augmented with chakra (which only implies that it is extremely hot).



Don't go there with me. Especially when your entire argumentation has been trash from the start.
Alright, Alright I have one perfectly logical argument.


You're saying that sending doton chakra throughout the body and hardening it (basically making a doton .-.) Won't keep the properties of earth, but yet we have the Raikage's who send RAITON CHAKRA throughout their bodies and it keeps the same properties of raiton/lightening which we can see because it boosts nerves?

Its a fricking doton, it is using and hardening DOTON CHAKRA it is an EARTH RELEASE JUTSU, which we all know aren't flammable, if a flame encounters it its tanked or it busts through the defense but never does it catch fire.

It changes color because DOTON CHAKRA is being added ( Irdk where its placed, above, below or integrated into the skin) then formed into a physical doton that coats the user.

Physical doton's aren't flammable. Yes it makes it harder BY DISTRIBUTING DOTON THROUGHOUT THE BODY.


Edit- It didn't light the sharks of water on fire though, it was the force that destroyed them, we already know Domu can tank the force.
 
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Gai did blitz Kisame but Kisame did manage to swing his sword before he got sweet chin music. I'm pretty sure Kakuzu could form the snake seal and harden himself with Domu. I still don't know what Gai has to get past it though.
The only reason kisame was able to swing is because guy stopped short before kicking his face off.
 
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