[VS] Kakuzu Vs. Chiyo and Sakura

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Thats a contradictory prove to bo honest.
Doton domu is as hard as a diamond and that means it is not indestructible.Furthermore Sakura destroys rocks with ease thanks to her chakra enhanced strength. Brute strength will crack a diamond... it's is even in real life possible.
 
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It would be plasuible if she could move her body after that attack. ;) Oh wait, she couldn't.

You are really overrating kakazu . His attack not that strong sakura still lived after KYUBBI hit her

His lightining is not stronger than kyubbi not even close
 

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English is not your first language, granted. I offer no disrespect but I don't know what you are talking about, so we'll just end this here.

English is not my first language and yet I seem to have a better grasp of it than you. Strawman is the fallacy of, when presented a consistent argument, trying to replace it with a weaker one and then replying to that. I never said lightning stops being lightning, but that's what you assumed I said and that's what you replied to. I can show you a video if you want, no disrespect intended.
 

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You are really overrating kakazu . His attack not that strong sakura still lived after KYUBBI hit her

His lightining is not stronger than kyubbi not even close

Overrating Kakuzu? Please. If anything, you're disgustingly underrating him. Kyuubi just slapped her aside with his tail, and Sakura was already done. Kakuzu's Gian is more powerful than a swipe of 4 tailed Kyuubi's tail.



Strawmen? Meh, life is too short for me replying to people replying to stuff I haven't said but if lightning just stops being lightning, according to me, then you tell me the difference between Kirin and Gian.


Sakura and Chiyo are faster than them, they are medical ninja, trained to dodge... Or at least Chiyo is fast enough and she can just control Sakura.

They had trouble dodging Sasori's needles. Gian is faster.

Thats a contradictory prove to bo honest.
Doton domu is as hard as a diamond and that means it is not indestructible.Furthermore Sakura destroys rocks with ease thanks to her chakra enhanced strength. Brute strength will crack his diamond defense... it's even in real life possible.

@Bold So does Kakuzu.

Domu can tank everything they throw at him. ;)
 
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You mean "Grasping at straws", right?
What is your consistent argument, exactly? Lightning is lightning. Water is water. Fire is fire. Wind is wind. Earth is earth.
No, I mean, this:
So much for english.
And natural lightning is not the same as a lightning release technique and that is what was stated in the manga, that is my point.
They had trouble dodging Sasori's needles. Gian is faster.
I didn't see they had much trouble with the needles... but I won't comment on which is faster, I can't possibly know that unless I saw the attacks side by side. Both Choji and Shikamaru were able to dodge it a couple of times and neither is particularly characterized as fast, tho.
 
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. Kyuubi just slapped her aside with his tail, and Sakura was already done.

She was running toawrds him which made it even stronger and she didn't die she was able to heal herself
 

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She was running toawrds him which made it even stronger and she didn't die she was able to heal herself

No, it didn't really made it stronger and no, she din't heal herself. Kabuto did.

No, I mean, this:
So much for english.
And natural lightning is not the same as a lightning release technique and that is what was stated in the manga, that is my point.

I didn't see they had much trouble with the needles... but I won't comment on which is faster, I can't possibly know that unless I saw the attacks side by side. Both Choji and Shikamaru were able to dodge it a couple of times and neither is particularly characterized as fast, tho.

When did Choji or Shikamaru ever dodge Gian in the manga?
 

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Domu can tank everything they throw at him. ;)
Doton Domu never tanked this physical attack and you can't prove me wrong. :p However i admit that sakura and chiyo lose, when they can't destroy his defense.
 

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No, I mean, this:
So much for english.
And natural lightning is not the same as a lightning release technique and that is what was stated in the manga, that is my point.

I didn't see they had much trouble with the needles... but I won't comment on which is faster, I can't possibly know that unless I saw the attacks side by side. Both Choji and Shikamaru were able to dodge it a couple of times and neither is particularly characterized as fast, tho.

pLUS both choji and shika is slower than sakura

And i am sure chiyo is faster than sakura she could use her as puppet and dodge the attack just like she did with the needles

and even if they got hit sakura can Heal
 

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Doton Domu never tanked this physical attack and you can't prove me wrong. :p However i admit that sakura and chiyo lose, when they can't destroy his defense.

I have the upperhand. ;) Because Kakuzu said physical attacks don't work on him and because he tanked everything aside Raiton that was thrown at him when he had Domu. :cool:
 

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When did Choji or Shikamaru ever dodge Gian in the manga?

That is a good point, I read those chapters too long ago so I can't remember. I'll take your word about its speed, but I still think it isn't impossible to dodge, specially by a ninja trained all her long life for dodging and hiding, such as a puppeteer medical ninja.
 

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pLUS both choji and shika is slower than sakura

And i am sure chiyo is faster than sakura she could use her as puppet and dodge the attack just like she did with the needles

and even if they got hit sakura can Heal
Only problem is: Kakuzu's attacks are faster and far larger than the needles. ;)

That is a good point, I read those chapters too long ago so I can't remember. I'll take your word about its speed, but I still think it isn't impossible to dodge, specially by a ninja trained all her long life for dodging and hiding, such as a puppeteer medical ninja.

It can be dodged by faster shinobi. Kakashi is faster than Sakura, but he needed a Sharingan to predict Kakuzu's movements and block it with 2 Raikiri's.
 

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And yet, my point remains uncountered.
I quit, I see how your barely comprehensible sentences are so much better than mine.

What even was your point? All I said was that lightning release techniques aren't as strong as natural lightning (which was stated in the manga), you replied with saying "so you say lightning isn't lightning" and tried to refute that straw-man. That isn't a point, that's an argumentative fallacy.
Also, barely comprehensible huh? I don't see anyone else having any problem understanding me and I'm sure you wouldn't even have said that if I had something different from "spanishland" in my location. That fact speaks volumes, by the way. But anyways, you went from strawmen to direct insulting so this discussion can't advance any further indeed.

It can be dodged by faster shinobi. Kakashi is faster than Sakura, but he needed a Sharingan to predict Kakuzu's movements and block it with 2 Raikiri's.
You know who is faster than Sakura too? Chiyo.

Only person that can dodge it for sure is Minato, but the Raikage, Nagato, Naruto and such are up there.

But not someone with Tsunade's speed as was my original point.
Hadn't you quit? And if nobody can dodge it how did Kakuzu manage to lose? Now that's an interesting question.

ETA: Forgot to add, lightning release techniques aren't as strong or fast.
 
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I have the upperhand. ;) Because Kakuzu said physical attacks don't work on him and because he tanked everything aside Raiton that was thrown at him when he had Domu. :cool:
You don't have the upper hand bro and you can't deny the fact that the Diamond is destroyable.Kakashis Ninjutsu techs don't have as much firepower as Sakuras chakra punches.
It's useless to pursue this discussion.
 

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Because Kakuzu said physical attacks don't work on him

So Jubbi without biju dama can't kill kakuzu ?

He meant normal ninja physical attacks like shikamaru and kakashi

He doesn't know CES
 

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Sasori was a tougher fight IMO, this fight is a little easier i would think, based on what ive seen kakuzu do him by himself hmm i say chiyo could be a force to recon with as her puppets are fast enough to deal with his masks, they arent fast when they are going to use the big elemental attacks (from what i have seen).

Sakura would not be particularly useful to this fight other than observation and telling chiyo what is going on, i believe kakuzu is better than her at taijutsu so she can't possibly beat him.

Due to all the pressure on chiyo she could possibly leave herself open to a hand coming out the ground and choking her or w/e unless sakura were to guard her i'd say they have a possibility of winning if hidan was paired they would lose for sure.
 

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My take in this fight (I have not read the discussion)

Location: (We are inside a huge dome shaped cave) this makes it harder for Sakura and Chiyo to dodge Kakuzu mask's elemental attacks, do to the restriced suroundings, so already there Kakuzu will have an advantage.

Knowledge(intel): you say there are none, but really, are you telling me that Kakuzu, "the bounty hunter" won't have any intel, what so ever on such an old and famous shinobi as Chiyo? (even Chiyo herself brags about the fact that she was known for capturing a castle alone with 10 puppets) So it's pretty logical to expect that Kakuzu will know that Chiyo is a very skilled Puppetere, and by knowing that he should also know that almost all puppeters use poison on their weapons and puppets.
So here again, I will give Kakuzu the advantage. (lets just disregard Sakura here, she would not know anything about Kakuzu, nor about her teammate actually... another minus for them)

Restrictions: None, and here im just thinking, if Kakuzu can use his fire mask and his wind mask at the same time to make a combined attack with those 2 natures what is standing in his way to mix up other elements? sure we have not seen him do others than the fire/wind combo, but are you really telling me that a Shinobi as old and as experience as Kakuzu, one that can use all 5 elements to such a extream as he can, have only managed to combine 2 elements? And yes I know it was never shown in the Manga or the Anime that he could use others, but I would still expect he could use more than just fire/wind.

Distance: The distance is far enough for Kakuzu to be able to releace 4 of his mask, and even if Chiyo and Sakura start a frontal assault to close to gab betwean them instantly, all Kakuzu needs to do is jump backwards, and he would have gained himself all the time in the world for his for masks to be released (wind, fire, water and the lightning mask) and then begin his elemental bombartment.

Age/Experience: Sakura havn't really been around for to long to be that experience, though she is pretty clever, so she should be pretty quick to analyse Kakuzu's moves and attack's, if she survives that long. Sakura might be able to dish out super human damage, but how well does she tank it herself? A Doton Dumu hardened fist or Kick will easily break bones. And Sakura will need at least one hand to be able to use her Medical Ninjutsu, if Kakuzu managed to break both her hands, or simply rip them off, she is done for.
Chiyo is very old, not as old as Kakuzu (who is 96) but she is deffenetly past her prime, even though she have replace one of her arms with a puppet arm, that won't change the fact that she won't be as strong as she used to be.
Kakuzu have never been as strong as he is now, do to the fact that he have replace his intire body, mussels, organs, ecetera with threads. (he only have his eyes, his skin and his 5 hearts left) So just like Sasori, the only way to kill him Is to destroy his heart, and he have 5 of those...

Which means that Kakuzu is Immune to Poisen. (as long as a poisoned blade don't penetrade any of his 5 hearts) So a random cut on his arm, chest (or whatever) won't do anything to him, which mean that he won't be forced to use his Doton Domu to tank the poison coated weapons but can go on the offensive if he so desires.

And the fact that Kakuzu could play dead and attack them when their guard is down is a huge, huge advantage for Kakuzu, heck he might even be able to Take out Sakura this way, if she have even managed to survive that long...

some feats Kakuzu have done:

Kakuzu Bit** slapped Asuma with a brief case.
Broke down a gigantic iron gate with a single punc.
Outmatched Kakashi in taijutzu.
Out smarted kakashi with a water clone.
Blitzed kakashi when Kakshi had taken down the first of his heart (and had it not been for plot no jitsu involved Kakuzu could have punched him in the back of his head with a Domu hardened fist, which would have taken his head clean off!)

Kakuzu tanked Choiji's Human Boulder attack, if he can do that, he can also tank Sakuras punch, and he you might be thinking that I am just grasping after straws, but I really don't think I am.

People just don't grasp how good of a defensive tecnique Kakuzu's earth spear actually is (It is as though as diamond! and the only think that can destroy a diamond is another diamond, or an extream high tempature)

To be able to penetrade Kakuzu's earth spear you will have to have a high level lightning ability (as states in the manga) which neither Chiyo or Sakura have or a weapon made out of diamond (which neither of them have) the tecnique pretty much makes Kakuzu invinciable, so Kakuzu could just Domu up and stand there doing nothing, while his 4 masks are runnung around, and Chiyo and Sakura would have no way to counter his Jutzu.

and with those feats how would Chiyo and her puppets, led alone Sakura even stand a chance against him?
 
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