Kakuzu > Trollkage

[Onion Soda]

Wide ranging jutsu>speed

Remember temari and 3rd raikage.

I've already proved that Kakuzu's wide range isn't that great, after all three chuunis with 2.5 speed stats could escape, JB easily past 4 points in speed.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

No, its not. Joki Boy will blow him to bits. He can't stop it nor can he outrun it and he can't tank it so it will kill him.

@bold: :sy: A Third Grader could have gotten this by now. The Clam is CONSTANTLY PRODUCING THE MIST. Trying to get rid of mist that covers most of the battlefield is a stupid tactic when the clam is constantly producing it. That's like trying to clean up water that is being poured on the floor by a flowing faucet, its stupid.


What water? Like I said Kakuzu has shown zero attacks with his Water Mask so you can't say that the attack is even strong enough to make a difference nor can you say it is fast enough to hit Joki Boy.

Not really as he will be constantly seeing a fake Miuzkage and a fake clam. Not to mention he can't even take care of Joki Boy.

The Genjutsu lasts as long as the clam is alive.

Ok but it takes time for the most to fill the area back up. Its like saying a faucet that is dripping water flooded the whole world. Then god comes and gets rid of all the water. The droplets aren't going to fill up the whole world again in an instant

JOKI BOY ISNT GETTING THROUGH EARTH SPEAR. IF HE CANT MELT THE ROCK BENEATH HIM HE CANT MELT KAKUZUS EARTH SPEAR.
EARTH>WATER.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

No it doesn't. Stopping it from expanding nullifies its effect and last time I checked lightning didn't cool down the clone so it won't work.

Lightning stopped suijetsus movements so it will stop joki boys. Both water.

 

[GwemBaba]

No, its not. Joki Boy will blow him to bits. He can't stop it nor can he outrun it and he can't tank it so it will kill him.

@bold: :sy: A Third Grader could have gotten this by now. The Clam is CONSTANTLY PRODUCING THE MIST. Trying to get rid of mist that covers most of the battlefield is a stupid tactic when the clam is constantly producing it. That's like trying to clean up water that is being poured on the floor by a flowing faucet, its stupid.


What water? Like I said Kakuzu has shown zero attacks with his Water Mask so you can't say that the attack is even strong enough to make a difference nor can you say it is fast enough to hit Joki Boy.

Not really as he will be constantly seeing a fake Miuzkage and a fake clam. Not to mention he can't even take care of Joki Boy.

The Genjutsu lasts as long as the clam is alive.

No, I'm saying that hypothetically water will cool Joki Boi down, I'm not saying its fast enough to hit him and I've said we can't use it as evidence.

The fact is that the Mist and the Genjutsu require constant amounts of chakra to produce, how much? We can't say, but as Joki Boi is his only real Offensive technique apart from the Water Gun Technique that he has shown.
Add with the fact of how much chakra it takes up, suggests that the mist and Genjutsu simply can't, and won't last forever.

 

[Onion Soda]

Lightning stopped suijetsus movements so it will stop joki boys. Both water.

Is not the same thing. JB is too fast and lightning would cause him to heat up even if it gets hit. Also even if water hits it it won't cool it down since JB is covered in oil and thus impermeable.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ok but it takes time for the most to fill the area back up. Its like saying a faucet that is dripping water flooded the whole world. Then god comes and gets rid of all the water. The droplets aren't going to fill up the whole world again in an instant

No it won't. Your example makes absolutely no sense here since the droplets are small amounts of water that would take who knows how long to flood the world. The Clam is continually producing a large amount of mist. Trying to blow it away is stupid because it will be instantly replaced as the clam never stopped producing mist.

\JOKI BOY ISNT GETTING THROUGH EARTH SPEAR. IF HE CANT MELT THE ROCK BENEATH HIM HE CANT MELT KAKUZUS EARTH SPEAR.
EARTH>WATER.

:sy: It already melted gold in manga canon thus it will blow up, melt right through his Domu and blow him up.

 

[KidGamer65]

No, I'm saying that hypothetically water will cool Joki Boi down, I'm not saying its fast enough to hit him and I've said we can't use it as evidence.

The fact is that the Mist and the Genjutsu require constant amounts of chakra to produce, how much? We can't say, but as Joki Boi is his only real Offensive technique apart from the Water Gun Technique that he has shown.
Add with the fact of how much chakra it takes up, suggests that the mist and Genjutsu simply can't, and won't last forever.

Joki Boy got to temps of 1083 degrees celsius. Water isn't going to cool that down enough to stop it.

The clam is a summon and has a separate chakra supply from the Mizukage and the Genjutsu doesn't need to last forever as Kakuzu isn't going to last forever or long enough to outlast either jutsu.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

No it won't. Your example makes absolutely no sense here since the droplets are small amounts of water that would take who knows how long to flood the world. The Clam is continually producing a large amount of mist. Trying to blow it away is stupid because it will be instantly replaced as the clam never stopped producing mist.


:sy: It already melted gold in manga canon thus it will blow up, melt right through his Domu and blow him up.

Also, joki boy cant melt rock, so it cant melt through kakuzu
Secondly. The gold was in direct contact with the joki boy. Kakuzu can jump back.

He will see the clam before the mist covers the field again... Don't forget wind/fires range is bigger than the mists. You cant prove it isn't.

 

[GwemBaba]

Joki Boy got to temps of 1083 degrees celsius. Water isn't going to cool that down enough to stop it.

The clam is a summon and has a separate chakra supply from the Mizukage and the Genjutsu doesn't need to last forever as Kakuzu isn't going to last forever or long enough to outlast either jutsu.

The water would force Joki Boi to expend more and more energy and chakra; getting rid of it quicker.

The Clam doesn't have infinite chakra eventually it will run out.

 

[KidGamer65]

Also, joki boy cant melt rock, so it cant melt through kakuzu
Secondly. The gold was in direct contact with the joki boy. Kakuzu can jump back.

He will see the clam before the mist covers the field again... Don't forget wind/fires range is bigger than the mists. You cant prove it isn't.

Joki Boy easily outspeeds him. Its not like it needs to melt right through just to win. The heat is an added bonus. The multiple explosions will tear right through his defense. Kakuzu has shown no defensive feats that allow anyone to say he can tank Joki boy with no damage over and over again.

Already did. The Mist covered most of the area that Gaara and the Mizukage were fighting in while his wind and fire was dodged by Choji, Ino, Shikamaru and Kakashi. If it covered more range than the mist it should have hit them. But it doesn't so it didn't. Its not like you could prove it ever was since all you have done is spout nonsense with no scans or links as backup.

@bold: :sy: Kakuzu can't blow away enough of the mist to expose the Mizukage, not when it is constantly expelling mist from its body.

The water would force Joki Boi to expend more and more energy and chakra; getting rid of it quicker.

The Clam doesn't have infinite chakra eventually it will run out.

By doing what exactly? Its not harming him. Its not cooling it down and it isn't hindering his movements.

Obviously it has a chakra limit, but its not like Kakuzu will last long enough to outlast the clam and the 2nd Mizukage as Joki Boy will end him.

 

[Onion Soda]

The water would force Joki Boi to expend more and more energy and chakra; getting rid of it quicker.

The Clam doesn't have infinite chakra eventually it will run out.

Implying Kakuzu will hit him, going by that logic the speed charts would be:
Kakuzu's ninjutsu > JB.
JB>= Sand.
Sand= Amateratsu.
Kakashi = Kakuzu's Ninjutsu

sooooo Kakashi >> Amateratsu.... something doesn't seems right, don't you think?

 

[Fecal Matter]

The water would force Joki Boi to expend more and more energy and chakra; getting rid of it quicker.

The Clam doesn't have infinite chakra eventually it will run out.

Still haven't told me how water hits in the first place.

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[Hashirama Senjuu]

Joki Boy easily outspeeds him. Its not like it needs to melt right through just to win. The heat is an added bonus. The multiple explosions will tear right through his defense. Kakuzu has shown no defensive feats that allow anyone to say he can tank Joki boy with no damage over and over again.

Already did. The Mist covered most of the area that Gaara and the Mizukage were fighting in while his wind and fire was dodged by Choji, Ino, Shikamaru and Kakashi. If it covered more range than the mist it should have hit them. But it doesn't so it didn't. Its not like you could prove it ever was since all you have done is spout nonsense with no scans or links as backup.

@bold: :sy: Kakuzu can't blow away enough of the mist to expose the Mizukage, not when it is constantly expelling mist from its body.




By doing what exactly? Its not harming him. Its not cooling it down and it isn't hindering his movements.

Obviously it has a chakra limit, but its not like Kakuzu will last long enough to outlast the clam and the 2nd Mizukage as Joki Boy will end him.

How tf do you hurt skin that's as hard as diamond, and how do you hurt threads? Kakuzu won't feel it. As we saw when they were cutting his threads while he was trying to capture them.

You act like its impossible to find the clam, when it's not, the clam is such a huge target that it would be easy to hit it with ninjutsu the size of kakuzus

Joki boy cant get though kakuzus skin. Joki boy isn't a factor. If kakuzu uses the same combo as he used against Naruto then joki boy will not be a factor. If he get close then is fire/wind combo would blow him back. Or at least match the explosion.

 

[Onion Soda]

Other points you aren't considering about the Mighty Trollkage:

He was an Suiton user in a desert

He wasn't trying to kill anybody, nor going serious from the begining

JB doesn't takes a huge chakra, if that would be the problem there is no reason for him becoming weaker sinces he was an Edo. Maybe he gest weakers because JB uses his body oil wich can't be easily regenerated.

Shinobi Alliance didn't get to fight a Clam + JB combo, they would be obiliterated otherwise.


Again, Kakuzu isn't safe from JB explosion or his arm edge, he wouldn't have a chance to focus on the clam and he is not a sensor. His ninjutsu wide range is not enough on JB nor is strong enough to destroy the clam (not that JB will let him).

 

[GwemBaba]

Implying Kakuzu will hit him, going by that logic the speed charts would be:
Kakuzu's ninjutsu > JB.
JB>= Sand.
Sand= Amateratsu.
Kakashi = Kakuzu's Ninjutsu

sooooo Kakashi >> Amateratsu.... something doesn't seems right, don't you think?

Not at all, in response to all three of you, if Joki Boi elects to dodge the water then it's highly likely he'll dodge them.

However, if he were to attack Kakuzu directly he'll put himself at risk of being hit by the water.

Joki Boy easily outspeeds him. Its not like it needs to melt right through just to win. The heat is an added bonus. The multiple explosions will tear right through his defense. Kakuzu has shown no defensive feats that allow anyone to say he can tank Joki boy with no damage over and over again.

Already did. The Mist covered most of the area that Gaara and the Mizukage were fighting in while his wind and fire was dodged by Choji, Ino, Shikamaru and Kakashi. If it covered more range than the mist it should have hit them. But it doesn't so it didn't. Its not like you could prove it ever was since all you have done is spout nonsense with no scans or links as backup.

@bold: :sy: Kakuzu can't blow away enough of the mist to expose the Mizukage, not when it is constantly expelling mist from its body.




By doing what exactly? Its not harming him. Its not cooling it down and it isn't hindering his movements.

Obviously it has a chakra limit, but its not like Kakuzu will last long enough to outlast the clam and the 2nd Mizukage as Joki Boy will end him.

The water Jutsu will likely evaporate depending on the quantity that hits Joki Boi, this will sap heat and energy from Joki Boi, shortening the lifespan of the Jutsu.

There is no evidence that Joki Boi can even break though the Earth Spear.

Still haven't told me how water hits in the first place.

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[RicardoA]

Hey guys, I just wanted to make a thread showing that Kakuzu can beat the Second Mizukage. This would also mean that he makes a very strong case for top ten.

The Second Mizukages jutsu.

Summoning: Clam/Mirage Genjutsu: The Mizukage summons a clam which realeses a gas that creates a mirage of the clam and Mizukage while they are able to hide.

Joki Boy: The Mizukage creates a clone of himself with a water inner body and oil coating. The clones runs and thenoils heats up the water. The water turns to steam and Joki Boy expands until it explodes. The steam rises and cools off creating the clone again. The cycle restarts.

Hozuki Clans Technique: This allows the Mizukage to turn into water which is more oil based to escape any physical harm.

How Kakuzu can counter his techniques

Summoning: Clam/Mirage Genjutsu: Kakuzu can use his wind and fire combos to destroy the area that the Genjutsu covers, hitting the clam. He can also use the masks to fly around and attack multiple spots until the clam is found, Kakuzu and the masks can also use their threads to find it.

Joki Boy: Kakuzus Earth Grudge Fear which turned his body into threads would be able to absorb most of the impact. He can also use his earth spear to turn his skin into iron to also stop the impact. He can also use his lightning release to electrocute Joki Boy making him weak. Also earth>water

Hozuki Clans Technique: He can use his lightning release to nullify this effect.

Conclusion

Kakuzu can use his threads, ninjutsu, and huge fire/wind combos to find the clam along with his masks ability to fly. His compacted body of threads along with being able to turn his skin to iron would absorb the impact of Joki Boys explosions. He may also use lightning release to nullify it. Lightning release would also be used to nullify the Mizukages ability to turn into water. After this he is a sitting duck and awaits for his heart to be taken.​

I HOPE YOU GUYS ENJOYED LEAVE OPINIONS.

I enjoyed reading this, it was a fresh match-up.
However i have to disagree with a few points you made:
1 - I'm not so sure about the threads absorving a great impact, there's a reason why Kakuzu needs to use Earth Spear. Joki Boy rpeats the process over and over, Kakuzu can't keep using Earth Spear forever, that's why i desagree about that 'counter'.
2 - Lightning Release isn't stopping the Mizukage's Hydrification Technique since he turns into oil and oil isn't a good electricity conductor, i think.
3 - The clam can move. Random attacks isn't a good option, Kakuzu's range is limited like every long range attack it has a limit and who says the clam can't resist one little above average elemental jutsu.
Conclusion: IMO Trollkage > Kakuzu.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

I enjoyed reading this, it was a fresh match-up.
However i have to disagree with a few points you made:
1 - I'm not so sure about the threads absorving a great impact, there's a reason why Kakuzu needs to use Earth Spear. Joki Boy rpeats the process over and over, Kakuzu can't keep using Earth Spear forever, that's why i desagree about that 'counter'.
2 - Lightning Release isn't stopping the Mizukage's Hydrification Technique since he turns into oil and oil isn't a good electricity conductor, i think.
3 - The clam can move. Random attacks isn't a good option, Kakuzu's range is limited like every long range attack it has a limit and who says the clam can't resist one little above average elemental jutsu.
Conclusion: IMO Trollkage > Kakuzu.

So your telling me he is going to kill a man who survived against hashirama 5 times? BeFore the clam is found?

Keep in mine he didn't have 5 hearts when fighting hashirama.

 

[Masked man]

Saying who you think is stronger won't get you anywhere.Back up your statement to further prove your point.

I didn't say what I think. I said Trollkage is stronger.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Just keep in mind people that he is going to have to kill kakuzu 5 times. I dont even think he could do it once. Let alone 5.

 

[GwemBaba]

On a technicality, the Masks wouldn't even be affected by the Genjutsu.