Kakuzu > Trollkage

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Time out! Where the hell are you even getting iron from anyway? Domu is Earth Release. His skin doesn't turn into actual iron. So Joki Boy will blow him to bits. Multiple explosions will end him.

Making up stuff again I see.

also. Earth>water

 

[GwemBaba]

Sorry, he doesn't have a water mask, he already has the nature himself.

also. Earth>water

This is very true, never considered this.

 

[Fecal Matter]

He cant use earth spear for long periods of time, it will go away and then he has to use it again. So it is renewed everytime.

So basically Kakuzu is constantly standing there wasting his chakra defending against an attack that will never end unless the clams hit?

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Not really as his skin doesn't turn into diamonds so it doesn't have the same melting point as diamond does. Hardness has nothing to do with melting point so Kakuzu still gets blown to bits.

Earth is still > water. Notice how none around joki boy was ever effected? Mhm.

Melting won't work. The explosion won't work. Joki Boy won't work.

Even if he does melt it, kakuzu can just use the jutsu again.

 

[KidGamer65]

Einstein's conservation of energy: Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

The only thing you can argue is that the Mizukage already put the Majority of his Chakra into the clone, but it is inevitably going to run out of steam (Pardon the pun).

Joki Boi cannot run forever, this much is obvious, though to what extent cannot be said.

If Kakuzu were to use his Water mask, it would render Joki Boi redundant.

It has been stated that this will leave the Mizukage weakened and vulnerable after this.

None of that means that he is putting chakra into it to make it reform, that simply means eventually Joki Boy will stop.

@bold; How so? Kakuzu's Water mask has shown no attacks whatsoever and its not like the mask has water element resistance, it can only use Water Ninjutus.

He may be weak and vulnerable but Kakuzu won't be able to find him due to the Genjutsu so he's safe anyways.

 

[GwemBaba]

Earth is still > water. Notice how none around joki boy was ever effected? Mhm.

Melting won't work. The explosion won't work. Joki Boy won't work.

Even if he does melt it, kakuzu can just use the jutsu again.

You are providing true points, this is spot on.

I'd recommend you and Kid gamer take this to the debating forums.

 

[Masked man]

Yeah, Kakuzu is very underrated..
But Trollkage is stronger, sorry.

 

[KidGamer65]

Earth is still > water. Notice how none around joki boy was ever effected? Mhm.

Melting won't work. The explosion won't work. Joki Boy won't work.

Even if he does melt it, kakuzu can just use the jutsu again.

We've been over this already. Just because Earth is strong against Water doesn't mean that all the damage will be nullified. No one got killed because Gaara protected them.

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Baseless, got proof? I doubt it. Joki Boy explodes right in his face and blows him up and proceeds to rinse and repeat. You have no defensive feats that let anyone say Domu can tank repeated Joki Boy explosion.

If he melts through with the explosion it will cause damage to Kakuzu and Joki Boy will simply keep on coming so it doesn't matter how many times he puts Domu back up.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Yeah, Kakuzu is very underrated..
But Trollkage is stronger, sorry.

Saying who you think is stronger won't get you anywhere.Back up your statement to further prove your point.

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Kakuza is strong there's no doubt in that

 

[GwemBaba]

None of that means that he is putting chakra into it to make it reform, that simply means eventually Joki Boy will stop.

@bold; How so? Kakuzu's Water mask has shown no attacks whatsoever and its not like the mask has water element resistance, it can only use Water Ninjutus.

He may be weak and vulnerable but Kakuzu won't be able to find him due to the Genjutsu so he's safe anyways.

Yes, I changed my Origional point, the Chakra is already there.

My point is that the water is useful against cooling down Joki Boi.

You are true in saying he can hide behind the Genjutsu, but it'd only be a matter on time before he discovers the clam.

Joki Boi leaves him very vulnerable, and weakened, I'd imagine the Genjutsu won't last forever.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Baseless, got proof? I doubt it. Joki Boy explodes right in his face and blows him up and proceeds to rinse and repeat. You have no defensive feats that let anyone say Domu can tank repeated Joki Boy explosion.

If he melts through with the explosion it will cause damage to Kakuzu and Joki Boy will simply keep on coming so it doesn't matter how many times he puts Domu back up.

You just said it yourself, stale mate. Its a stale mate till the masks find the clam. Its an easy task.wind blows mist away. Fire evaporates it. While the clam is putting mist back it will be seen before the mist is back again.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Yes, I changed my Origional point, the Chakra is already there.

My point is that the water is useful against cooling down Joki Boi.

You are true in saying he can hide behind the Genjutsu, but it'd only be a matter on time before he discovers the clam.

Joki Boi leaves him very vulnerable, I'd imagine the Genjutsu won't last forever.

Joki Boy out speeds Gaara's sand, i doubt a water jutsu of that caliber would even hit Joki boy.The more it dodges the more it'll heat up.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Joki Boy out speeds Gaara's sand, i doubt a water jutsu of that caliber would even hit Joki boy.The more it dodges the more it'll heat up.

Wide ranging jutsu>speed

Remember temari and 3rd raikage.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Its a stale mate till the masks find the clam.

Destroying the mask will be easy for TrollKage.Joki boy can blow them all up knocking them all down one by one.After this happens where right back where this discussion is at "how long can Kakauzu last using doton armor and how many Joki Boys does it take to end the fight".

Wide ranging jutsu>speed

Remember temari and 3rd raikage.

Wind and Water jutsu's move at different speeds depending on the jutsu's properties.The difference here is the fact that the 3rd Raikage doesn't need to dodge while Joki Boy constantly does or else it goes boom.

 

[GwemBaba]

Joki Boy out speeds Gaara's sand, i doubt a water jutsu of that caliber would even hit Joki boy.The more it dodges the more it'll heat up.

The bigger it'll get, the slower it'll get; and also, the more chakra it'll have to waste.

Well, if Joki Boi wants to hit Kakuzu he'll have to risk getting hit with water Jutsu himself.

We'd have to know the power of the water mask to know if it could keep up with Joki Boi, but for now we can't use that as a point.

 

[KidGamer65]

You just said it yourself, stale mate. Its a stale mate till the masks find the clam. Its an easy task.wind blows mist away. Fire evaporates it. While the clam is putting mist back it will be seen before he must is back again.

No, its not. Joki Boy will blow him to bits. He can't stop it nor can he outrun it and he can't tank it so it will kill him.

@bold: :sy: A Third Grader could have gotten this by now. The Clam is CONSTANTLY PRODUCING THE MIST. Trying to get rid of mist that covers most of the battlefield is a stupid tactic when the clam is constantly producing it. That's like trying to clean up water that is being poured on the floor by a flowing faucet, its stupid.

Yes, I changed my Origional point, the Chakra is already there.

My point is that the water is useful against cooling down Joki Boi.

You are true in saying he can hide behind the Genjutsu, but it'd only be a matter on time before he discovers the clam.

Joki Boi leaves him very vulnerable, and weakened, I'd imagine the Genjutsu won't last forever.

What water? Like I said Kakuzu has shown zero attacks with his Water Mask so you can't say that the attack is even strong enough to make a difference nor can you say it is fast enough to hit Joki Boy.

Not really as he will be constantly seeing a fake Miuzkage and a fake clam. Not to mention he can't even take care of Joki Boy.

The Genjutsu lasts as long as the clam is alive.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Destroying the mask will be easy for TrollKage.Joki boy can blow them all up knocking them all down one by one.After this happens where right back where this discussion is at "how long can Kakauzu last using doton armor and how many Joki Boys does it take to end the fight".


Wind and Water jutsu's move at different speeds depending on the jutsu's properties.The difference here is the fact that the 3rd Raikage doesn't need to dodge while Joki Boy constantly does or else it goes boom.

The masks can fly. Joki boy won't get them, if he gets close to them he will get hit by lightning, lightning nullifies joki boys effect

Lightning>water

 

[KidGamer65]

The masks can fly. Joki boy won't get them, if he gets close to them he will get hit by lightning, lightning nullifies joki boys effect

Lightning>water

No it doesn't. Stopping it from expanding nullifies its effect and last time I checked lightning didn't cool down the clone so it won't work.

 

[Fecal Matter]

The bigger it'll get, the slower it'll get; and also, the more chakra it'll have to waste.

Well, if Joki Boi wants to hit Kakuzu he'll have to risk getting hit with water Jutsu himself.

We'd have to know the power of the water mask to know if it could keep up with Joki Boi, but for now we can't use that as a point.

And if the water lands Joki Boy will gain its speed again.Joki Boy can run around for ever due to to his size shrinking whenever he gets hit by water, Kakazu cannot keep firing off water moves at a moving target.