Kakuzu can beat Trollkage

[GwemBaba]

We know from the series that a nature's strength becomes invalid if the jutsu itself is stronger, and Kakuzu's false darkness is just one beam of lightning as opposed to a giant dome of water, it's like comparing the Wild Water Wave to Great Fire Annihilation... xd

As for Itachi, he always starts with Genjutsu and although I agree Kakuzu wouldn't have much trouble with his normal Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi is on a whole other level, as only one who shares the same blood can escape it.

Obviously, Kakuzu is going to push Itachi far, but Amaterasu is faster than Kakuzu, Itachi's Sharingan can read Kakuzu's movements on Taijutsu, and if need be, Susano'o nullifies all of Kakuzu's abilities, and with the Totsuka Blade having such a large range and barely needing to touch the intended to work, Kakuzu can be sealed.

Unless the two are directly put up against each other you can't use this as a point man, Water can't resist Lightning passing through it, as it a terrible insulator. Great fire annihilation and great water wave is completely different as it is possible for fire to beat water, but you need ten times more power in the fire Jutsu to beat it.

Taukuyomi is only truly useful on Kakuzu himself, this is very true, but if all masks are present within his being then all the different chakra signatures effectively cancel it out.

It's only if all masks were out that it'd affect him.

We can't truly measure how fast Amaterasu is; but we know that Kakuzu was shown to be so fast that even a Sharingan wielder was unable to register his movements, so we could infer that it is possible for him to outrun Amarerasu.

Kakuzu has fought against a Sharingan user in Taijutsu before, and through the use of his elongation. technique was able to dominate their fight.

I'd like to remind you his Earth spear technique makes a Taijutsu fight against him near impossible to win.

Susano'o is his biggest threat, absolutely, but it is hurtendously slow, and Kakuzu can easily abuse it's biggest weakness.

 

[Draphsin]

His fire/wind combo covers more area than the clams mist, regardless of he knows or not he will hit it anyways by accident. Plus he has to know of the trollkage, kakuzu is before his time, and kakuzu is very smart, almost on itachis level. He can figure it out.

The fire/wind combo regardless of area isnt strong enough to crack the shell of the clam. It took a

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. Now that means if it took onoki barely enough strength to hold up 1 meteor, then that 1 meteor barely has enough strength to break the clam. So if the fire/wind combo is more powerful than the clam, then it would have to be on the same level of strength as madara's meteor. I dont think that this is the case

Trollkage was also alive for kakuzu's time too, so they would have about equal info on each other if anything.

Kakuzu got outsmarted by naruto using 3 shadow clones, he may be knowledgable but he was nowhere near as battle smart as Itachi.

When he disconnects his Masks they act as independent beings, with chakra that comes from the hearts themselves, not Kakuzu.

Genjutsu involves disrupting the flow of one's chakra.

The masks all have their own supply of chakra and are therefore unaffected by Kakuzu being put in Genjutsu.

It is then a simple case of one of the masks knocking Kakuzu out of the Genjutsu.

No what im saying is that if kakuzu was in a genjutsu, then how would the masks know what is real and whats not? They cant simply snap him out of it because its in the air, its all around him. He has to leave the area of effect for him to be able to see clearly

I'm not even going to go into the part you've edited in, as these are all baseless assumptions backed up by no facts, please don't take offense to that, it's just that you can't argue that.

This wasnt really an argument, I was simply saying that in my opinion, kakuzu would'nt even see a need for his masks (please dont bother arguing this, its simply just my opinion)

 

[GwemBaba]

The fire/wind combo regardless of area isnt strong enough to crack the shell of the clam. It took a

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to crack it, which is the opposite of

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. Now that means if it took onoki barely enough strength to hold up 1 meteor, then that 1 meteor barely has enough strength to break the clam. So if the fire/wind combo is more powerful than the clam, then it would have to be on the same level of strength as madara's meteor. I dont think that this is the case

Trollkage was also alive for kakuzu's time too, so they would have about equal info on each other if anything.

Kakuzu got outsmarted by naruto using 3 shadow clones, he may be knowledgable but he was nowhere near as battle smart as Itachi.



No what im saying is that if kakuzu was in a genjutsu, then how would the masks know what is real and whats not? They cant simply snap him out of it because its in the air, its all around him. He has to leave the area of effect for him to be able to see clearly



This wasnt really an argument, I was simply saying that in my opinion, kakuzu would'ne even see a need for his masks (please dont bother arguing this, its simply just my opinion)

The fact is that the Masks have no eyes and aren't reliant on Kakuzu to function.

This makes them immune to Itachi's style of Genjutsu

We know this as they still function even when he was clinically dead.

And in order to dispel Genjutsu, all you have to do is baisically slap the guy under the Jutsu round the back of the head and it's dispelled.

 

[Zexion~]

Aliright listen im a kakuzu fanboy ..Beyond belief lol But he is not better then itachi he has no counter to tsukuyomi ... Hey i believe he is in the top 15 as well but he does not beat Itachi .. He and kisame are even matches and have a 50/50 chance to win negative knight gave a beutiful Thread as to why that is

*edit .. who is the trollkage again lol mental block

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Is this Kakuzu vs Nidaime or Itachi?...