Kakuzu can beat Trollkage

[Thundergod123]

I'm gonna refrain from trolling right now. I admire you guys' imagination. Kakuzo> itachi lmfao

Kakuzu is overrated

 

[GwemBaba]

I'm gonna refrain from trolling right now. I admire you guys' imagination. Kakuzo> itachi lmfao

I used to think like that too; but after re watching the anime and re reading the manga my opinions completely changed.

I'd appreciate it if you read my points, if you can.

 

[Dr Strangelove]

He clearly could...... :|

 

[GreenBeast]

Kakuzu is defiantly Top 15 in my opinion.

Stronger than Itachi.

He's not stronger than itachi.

 

[BlacLord™]

How? When kakuzu is made of threads? He doesn't have to breath so water dome won't help, and you cant drain his chakra unless kisame touches his heart directly.

Anyways you should look at negativeknights thread on how kakuzu>kisame

Beating heart=Breathing

He breathes for all his hearts, if he doesn't breathe, he compromises himself. Besides, Fused Kisame can travel a lot faster underwater than Kakuzu can, hell, we don't even know that Kakuzu can swim. Besides, Kisame's abilities are primarily sucking up chakra and Kakuzu with no chakra=f*cked.

I don't use ABC logic but definitely Itachi>Kisame>Kakuzu, Tsukuyomi rapes all.
Even the databooks put Itachi far ahead of them both.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

These are all good points that I myself have used in the past, we know Itachi has dismal stamina and chakra reserves, but Susano'o has one other fatal weakness that Kakuzu can exploit.

I'm of course talking about the fact he can sever his limbs and send them under ground.

Itachi has no counter for such, and we know how quickly he can use his tendrils to tear out someone's heart.

All he needs to do is being it out under Susanoo and the fight is over.
Itachi is good, but he's screwed in this match up.

bro nice thread, and i think we think alike because, i love deidara alot as well haha xD did u see my thread stating how strong the akatsuki really are?

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Beating heart=Breathing

He breathes for all his hearts, if he doesn't breathe, he compromises himself. Besides, Fused Kisame can travel a lot faster underwater than Kakuzu can, hell, we don't even know that Kakuzu can swim. Besides, Kisame's abilities are primarily sucking up chakra and Kakuzu with no chakra=f*cked.


I don't use ABC logic but definitely Itachi>Kisame>Kakuzu, Tsukuyomi rapes all.
Even the databooks put Itachi far ahead of them both.

Tsukyomi would only work on kakuzu if he uses while in his susanoo as his masks act independently and can attack itachi even when kakuzu is in genjutsi, they can also disrupt his chakra. Also, are you saying sasori had to breath? And please check out negative knights thread. You might change your mind, seriously o.o

 

[Draphsin]

I dont see kakuzu's counter to genjutsu....

 

[GwemBaba]

Beating heart=Breathing

He breathes for all his hearts, if he doesn't breathe, he compromises himself. Besides, Fused Kisame can travel a lot faster underwater than Kakuzu can, hell, we don't even know that Kakuzu can swim. Besides, Kisame's abilities are primarily sucking up chakra and Kakuzu with no chakra=f*cked.

I don't use ABC logic but definitely Itachi>Kisame>Kakuzu, Tsukuyomi rapes all.
Even the databooks put Itachi far ahead of them both.

I don't doubt that he breathes, but his hearts do indeed act independently of one another.

Kisame's water style absobtion abilities are no use against the Raiton mask, of he didn't have it, the fight wouldn't be so in his favour as it is, though Kisame's fighting style does make many of his regular techs invalid.

Kisame can't beat him close up and he can't beat him long ranged.

He'd push him further than Itachi would, but he'd still loose.

He's not stronger than itachi.

Look at their feats; he clearly is.

 

[GwemBaba]

bro nice thread, and i think we think alike because, i love deidara alot as well haha xD did u see my thread stating how strong the akatsuki really are?

Na man, sorry, wish I had.

Simple fact is that no Akatsuki member is weak.

I dont see kakuzu's counter to genjutsu....

The Masks act independently of each other, with their own chakra reserves and no visible eyes or organs.

Immune to Genjutsu, whereas Kakuzu hasn't displayed feats in a Genjutsu situation, so we can't argue for him, but we can his masks.

 

[Draphsin]

Summoning: Clam/Mirage Genjutsu: Kakuzu can use his wind and fire combos to destroy the area that the Genjutsu covers, hitting the clam. He can also use the masks to fly around and attack multiple spots until the clam is found, Kakuzu and the masks can also use their threads to find it.

Kakuzu knows nothing about the mizukage's genjutsu, let alone how to stop it. You are assumng that kakuzu has full info on trollkage. Trollkage's genjutsu consists of a clam, that clam cannot be seen by kakuzu

 

[GwemBaba]

Kakuzu knows nothing about the mizukage's genjutsu, let alone how to stop it. You are assumng that kakuzu has full info on trollkage. Trollkage's genjutsu consists of a clam, that clam cannot be seen by kakuzu

He is referencing to the widespread effect of the fire and air masks and their far reaching area of effect.

 

[Draphsin]

The Masks act independently of each other, with their own chakra reserves and no visible eyes or organs.

Immune to Genjutsu, whereas Kakuzu hasn't displayed feats in a Genjutsu situation, so we can't argue for him, but we can his masks.

His masks are a part of him, why would they not be affected if he is in genjutsu? They may act independently but they are a part of his physical being. We haven't seen what happens if he gets placed in genjutsu but assuming he does, his masks would'nt be able to "sense" the clams presence

He is referencing to the widespread effect of the fire and air masks and their far reaching area of effect.

His masks would be focused on the mizukage and not his clam, so kakuzu would have no need to use a widespread attack.

Tbh i would be surprised if kakuzu even used his masks for their fight, he wouldnt see a need for them

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Kakuzu knows nothing about the mizukage's genjutsu, let alone how to stop it. You are assumng that kakuzu has full info on trollkage. Trollkage's genjutsu consists of a clam, that clam cannot be seen by kakuzu

His fire/wind combo covers more area than the clams mist, regardless of he knows or not he will hit it anyways by accident. Plus he has to know of the trollkage, kakuzu is before his time, and kakuzu is very smart, almost on itachis level. He can figure it out.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

He is referencing to the widespread effect of the fire and air masks and their far reaching area of effect.

Check it out you'll like it, anyone else can too.

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[GwemBaba]

His masks are a part of him, why would they not be affected if he is in genjutsu? They may act independently but they are a part of his physical being. We haven't seen what happens if he gets placed in genjutsu but assuming he does, his masks would'nt be able to "sense" the clams presence



His masks would be focused on the mizukage and not his clam, so kakuzu would have no need to use a widespread attack.

Tbh i would be surprised if kakuzu even used his masks for their fight, he wouldnt see a need for them

When he disconnects his Masks they act as independent beings, with chakra that comes from the hearts themselves, not Kakuzu.

Genjutsu involves disrupting the flow of one's chakra.

The masks all have their own supply of chakra and are therefore unaffected by Kakuzu being put in Genjutsu.

It is then a simple case of one of the masks knocking Kakuzu out of the Genjutsu.

I'm not even going to go into the part you've edited in, as these are all baseless assumptions backed up by no facts, please don't take offense to that, it's just that you can't argue that.

 

[BlacLord™]

I don't doubt that he breathes, but his hearts do indeed act independently of one another.

Kisame's water style absobtion abilities are no use against the Raiton mask, of he didn't have it, the fight wouldn't be so in his favour as it is, though Kisame's fighting style does make many of his regular techs invalid.

Kisame can't beat him close up and he can't beat him long ranged.

He'd push him further than Itachi would, but he'd still loose.


Look at their feats; he clearly is.

We know from the series that a nature's strength becomes invalid if the jutsu itself is stronger, and Kakuzu's false darkness is just one beam of lightning as opposed to a giant dome of water, it's like comparing the Wild Water Wave to Great Fire Annihilation... xd

As for Itachi, he always starts with Genjutsu and although I agree Kakuzu wouldn't have much trouble with his normal Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi is on a whole other level, as only one who shares the same blood can escape it.

Obviously, Kakuzu is going to push Itachi far, but Amaterasu is faster than Kakuzu, Itachi's Sharingan can read Kakuzu's movements on Taijutsu, and if need be, Susano'o nullifies all of Kakuzu's abilities, and with the Totsuka Blade having such a large range and barely needing to touch the intended to work, Kakuzu can be sealed.

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Kakuzu is powerful but he can't defeat the Nidaime Mizukage. He has nothing to destroy the Giant Clam and has shown any proficiency in seeing through a genjutsu especially a genjutsu such as Mirage Genjutsu.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

We know from the series that a nature's strength becomes invalid if the jutsu itself is stronger, and Kakuzu's false darkness is just one beam of lightning as opposed to a giant dome of water, it's like comparing the Wild Water Wave to Great Fire Annihilation... xd

As for Itachi, he always starts with Genjutsu and although I agree Kakuzu wouldn't have much trouble with his normal Genjutsu, Tsukuyomi is on a whole other level, as only one who shares the same blood can escape it.

Obviously, Kakuzu is going to push Itachi far, but Amaterasu is faster than Kakuzu, Itachi's Sharingan can read Kakuzu's movements on Taijutsu, and if need be, Susano'o nullifies all of Kakuzu's abilities, and with the Totsuka Blade having such a large range and barely needing to touch the intended to work, Kakuzu can be sealed.

Yes, tsukyomi would leave kakuzu extremely exaughsted. Even if he escapes in five seconds, that's still hours in tsukyomi. But it won't deal the final blow. Susanoo isn't a factor and kakuzu can enter from the bottom. Totsuka has never hit a moving target and kakuzu can use earth spear to stop it. Amaterasu is the biggest problem. If Kakuzu can "shed" his threads tho, he can work around it.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

I never said Kakuzu could beat itachi tho, he has a good chance, but he has no sure way of countering amaterasu. So as of now, even i say itachi>kakuzu