Kakashi will be as strong as Prime Jiraiya
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Kakashi was hospitalized in Shippudden for overusing MS not part 1 which is when Naruto was 13 and Kakashi never shown MS. Kakashi was a jounin since 13 years old yet he's low Kage at 30-31 Years. Prime is about 30-40 years, 40's pushing it because they're getting older and most ninjas don't tend to live that long. Kakashi didn't tripe his chakra and stamina, it was more like increased by halve his chakra reserve or a little more from part 1. In part 1 he could only use Lightning blade 4x but I'll list what he used in his Pain fight: 1 earth wall, Chidori, dog/wolf chidori, chidori, Lightning clone, and that left him with about halve his chakra
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.When Kakashi fought 2 Pain of Pain's body, he asked himself if Jiraiya really take on 6 of them
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and even told Choji's dad that fighting this type of oppoenent would be tough
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. Each of Pain's body is kage level, Kakashi couldn't handle 2 be himself while Jiraiya went from 1 to 3 to 6 in his fight and killed 4 total (3 were revived and 1 taken back to Konoha). I only used Pain because Kakashi and Jiraiya both fought him and Kakashi couldn't believe Jiraiya took on all 6 so I can see the power gap by that.And no Kakashi wasn't fighting continuously for 2 days while MS and a lot of Raikiri's, non of the ninjas have been constantly fighting except Naruto who fought on all battle fields right out of training which he had no rest. In the anime which shows Kakashi fighting, it also shows where all of the Kakashi and other ninjas such as Sai, Lee, Neji, ect were resting while waiting for the enemy's (white zetsu or edos) to attack. Plus Kakashi stamina and chakra were replenished by Kurama giving him chakra then again when Naruto gave everyone chakra.
I don't see Kakashi getting t Jiraiya's level since he was jounin since 13 and even tho he improved since then, he should have been on kage level as a 27 year old. He graduated from the academy at 5, pass the chunin at 6, became jounin at 13 yet wasn't Hokage level at 27 while people like Itachi and Minato were kage level at a younger age. I don't think Kakashi either trains that much or there's a limit to how strong he can get.
Kakashi isn't on Jiraiya's level just because he has kamui, most people overrate it, he has very limited access to that move without help from naruto, using it more than a a few times automatically tires him out. Jiraiya has sage mode with ma and pa attached to his shoulders, not to mention his underrated barrier jutsu, much higher reserves, and any frog summon he wants. ppl think kamui is instant but it's not, and kakashi himself said without the kyuubi cloak enhancing kamui, his size limit was something that was 1/3 the size of the bijuu. Kakashi is nice but even he knows that he's not as powerful as Jiraiya.
just for reference I'll post the key weaknesses of kamui, the first being the prep he needs to gather chakra for large task.
here he said kamui wouldn't make it in time, which was due to the fact that it takes him too long to gather the chakra
And here he admits without the kyuubi's chakra he can't use kamui on large objects like summons, which means kakashi can't do anything to Gamabunta
just for reference I'll post the key weaknesses of kamui, the first being the prep he needs to gather chakra for large task.
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here he said kamui wouldn't make it in time, which was due to the fact that it takes him too long to gather the chakra
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And here he admits without the kyuubi's chakra he can't use kamui on large objects like summons, which means kakashi can't do anything to Gamabunta
Well in the Zabuza vs Kakashi fight he had to stay in bed for a week because he used his sharingan a little.
In NarutoVerse your prime can be different, jiraiya for example was in his prime when he died but he was 50something.
In the Pein fight his chakra reserves dropped with an half because of the lightning clone. He mentioned it.
Kakashi fought 2 of the strongest Peins, while Jiraiya fought weaker ones. Deva and Asura path are the core of peins strength.
Jiraiya didn't fight 6 of them, he fought 3 and he got fodderised by 6.
Kakashi has been fighting for the most time. This guy doesnt give himself any rest because hew anted to protect his subordinates from the 7 Swordsmen of the Mist, which he mostly soloed.
Kakashi has the potential to be on Jiraiyas level in 5 years or so.
dms_kakashi
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jiraiya was fighting weakest of pain bodies and barely defeated them with complete help of ma nd pas genjutsu and kakashi was fighting the strongest pain nd could have defeated them if animal wasnt there to save helpless tendou(if he had killed him with raikiri) bun now current kakashi can defeat them mid diff!
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Kakashi needed to rest due to being wounded by Zabuza who cut him, They had no medical ninjas remember? Tsunade wasn't in the picture to train Sakura how to heal so Kakashi needed time to heal as well as giving Naruto, Sasuke and Sakura some down time to hang out with that kid they befriended. It was not due to the sharingan hurting his body it did burn a lot of chakra but that's all the 3 tomoes sharingan do to Kakashi, burns his chakra and that's why he covers it when not using it.
It wasn't only because of the Chakra clone but from all the jutsus he used until then, last being the lightning clone. Fought the 2 strongest? All of the paths are Kage level. First one Jiraiya fought was the summoning one, what can Kakashi due against him? He already said he can't Kamui large objects without Kurama's chakra plus is weakened after each use plus can't use it that much so what is he doing to the carb, dog, bird, bull, lizard, panda shield, ect? Jiraiya also fought the absorbing path and what looks like the path that pulls your soul. Killed 3, was surprised attacked by Asura path and lost an arm then had to fight 6. You can't say fodderize when he's fighting 6 kage levels and he didn't die right there on the spot, he could have escaped but chose to stay an figure out Pain's secret.
Kakashi has low stamina, how is her going to be fighting constantly? He can't help anyone if he's too tired and lack enough chakra. He had healing fro medical ninjas like everyon else in the war, time to rest and had Guy, Lee, Sai and other ninjas with him to aid him. Without the sealing team and medical ninjas none of the ninjas would have been fighting for as long as they have. Guy was right there by Kakashi in some of those mist swordmen fights too.
Kakashi was jounin since 13 years old, he should have passed Jiraiya by 27 but was still jounin level so I can't see Kakashi passing Jiraiya in 5 years unless he's training hard all he time. All of the swordmens are high jounin- low kage so it's reasonable that he had help.
Not really. Chidori is a piercing attack, it had nothing to do with the sand being weak to lightning. It's weakness is water (oil can work) but Gaara already shown to be able to make more sand by breaking down the minerals in the ground to make stronger sand. He can sink Kakashi right on the spot which is 200 feet deep and near inescapable. Gaara can stay out of Kakashi's range of attack while attacking from high as well.
Sasuke's MS is stronger than Kakashi's, even thought he could somewhat see him, he couldn't really and lacked the speed to react. Kakashi does not have the speed to react in time, only Minato and Naruto ever dodged A's fastest jutsus. It only takes 1 hit for Kakashi to be done in by A, Sasuke needed Susanoo to avoid being hit by A and KM Naruto blocked A's punches with his arms and even said if he took clean hits then he'll be in trouble.
Mei has 3 elements, fire, water, and earth which makes her boiling mist and lava. Mei can use Hidden mist to weaken the sharingan's sight and use her boiling mist which would melt him. Can't Kamui what you can't see, Kakashi is well known for his sharingan so using hidden mist would be reasonable since Kakashi even used it on Itachi in the anime. Kakashi does have a shot but feel like we haven't seen everything Mei can do with her elements which also makes it hard to fight her in close combat plus she can shoot it for mid-range combat.
Kakashi has more luck beating Tsunade. Only defense she has against Kamui is punching the ground and making boulders rise from the ground and block Kamui but that's if she uses that strategy. I'm leaning more in Kakashi's favor here tho.
Oonoki has earth, fire and wind which makes dust element so hiding below the ground can be a big mistake. Oonoki can levitate boulders or what ever he wants as shown when he made his body guards fly with him. Make an earth wall to block Kakashi's movement, then earth dragon jutsus then as Kakashi either copy and use earth dragon jutsu or kamui then have Jinton coming at him.
The weakest? He was fighting all strong ones. No ninjutsus can work due to them being absorbed, can't fight close combat or his soul would be pulled, and if he stayed long distances then summoning can attack him. What can Kakashi do against only the summoning pain? Bull, Bird, Dog, carb, lizard all attacking him and he already stated that he needs Kurama's chakra to warp large objects and the dog summon keeps multiplying when attacked. So what can Kakashi do against "weakest of Pain bodies"?
You do know that Kakashi had a team helping him in that same example that you used right? which again just shows Kakashi needed help since Choji and his dad were the ones who took down Asura path while he was going to attack Kakashi. Current Kakashi? Not much has changed with him except using Kurama's chakra to help replenish his stamina when he gave him chakra. Before Kakashi was given some of Kurama's chakra he was wounded and exhausted when it was him, Guy, Naruto and Bee vs Obito.
Really? And it's not Plot no jutsu that Jiraiya didn't have perfect Sage Mode when he trained with the toads when he was a kid (like 13 years old). Jiraiya didn't show sensory ability except for Ma's toad tongue or frog kata which he should have since he trained with them for years. Where's Jiraiya's SM super strength? Hmm?
